Hell

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I assume you can prove it ? Let me guess....you are going to shove some biblical quotes into this thread as your "proof" that the Bible speaks truth ahhahahaaa omg

Now as for the question:
You have asked me this question very many times, and you have really made me think about it and study it.
An observation I made were that torture is never used to describe Hell. Torment is used and was a much different meaning. It is called the outer darkness and the river of fire. Weeping and gnashing of teeth are also used to describe it.
A common misconception about hell is that the torment is physical and externally inflicted. However, I do not find that scripture is in agreeance with this. Gnashing of teeth is the grinding of one's teeth, usually in anger, or because of pain. The fact that it is grouped with weeping leads me to believe that this 'torment' is very self inflicted and evidence by regret, remorse, anger (at oneself and perhaps at God). People would argue that the fire part of indicates burning and physical pain, etc. however I am not convinced that that is the case. The Bible says that we will be cast into the fire where there will be weeping gnashing of teeth, nowhere, does the Bible ever indicate that fire has any importance in our punishment after the first death (our physical death). This called Hades. Then according to Revelation 20: 13 at the Judgement God judges all people (and Hades gives up the people that were in it) and then Hades is thrown into the lake of fire reserved for Satan and apparently the false prophet and the beast. However, it clearly says that Hades is thrown into the fire (ie. destroyed), but not that the people in it are necessarily doomed for it. I believe that the unsaved can be saved still before the second death, it is just harder, and they will miss out on the millenial reign with Christ. However, at the end if their stay in Hades does not make them repent of their own volition they have chosen the lake of fire and the second death. Now, that does not seem unreasonable to me because in Hades and at Judgement they will very clearly see God and perhaps finally understand him. I really feel that very few will actually receive the eternal punishment.
Now since I assume you believe that sins (rape, murder, lying, etc.) require some sort of punishment, I will assume that you believe that God must punish us in some way, even if it is not eternal. Therefore, God is neither sadistic nor cruel. I think to end up in the lake of fire, one has to really want to go there. <And that is a pretty bad decision.
I'm hoping that answers your question.

Hell was not ment for man, it was made for Lucifer and his fallen angels/demons. If man keeps on sinning and not repenting and accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and personnal savior you will be with the Fallen Angels/Demons, if you think not keep on rejecting the gospel you will find out sooner or later.

It was made for people with free will.

Originally posted by Alliance
It was made for people with free will.

If Lucifer rebelled against God he had free choice no?

Yes, but you said people, Satan is a fallen angel, not a person.

So god sends people to be with those who made free choices?

Not to mention that since Angels had free choice, god is not very godly is he?

I encouracge you to learn about the god Abraxas.

Originally posted by Alliance
So god sends people to be with those who made free choices?

Not to mention that since Angels had free choice, god is not very godly is he?

I encouracge you to learn about the god Abraxas.

Sure he is, how does giving angels free will make him ungodly?

Wikipedia had little to say, but from what I saw it very irrelevant to this argument.

I thought God was all forgiving, apparently not.

Because he can't control them.

Then you're not looking hard enough.

Originally posted by Alliance
I thought God was all forgiving, apparently not.

Because he can't control them.

Then you're not looking hard enough.

He chose not too. It's called free will.

I don't really plan on searching for hours. A couple of links might encourage me though.

Hell is not a physical place of torment. The bible never said it was. Man did.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hell is not a physical place of torment. The bible never said it was. Man did.

The Pineapple is burning cinder hot and the demons are shoving it up condemend asses. Thats not hell! thats a gay parade.

You either go to a gay parade after you die or you go to eternal mass listening to Jesus in heaven. either way its a win win situation.

Knew a thread like this would be started by Urizen...

Yea , i guess he s terrified from the hell 😖

Right Lord Urizen ...?

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
I dunno, maybe you should ask God. He still loves you and wants to be your friend.

That's all I was asking for really.

Thank you for admitting that you just don't know. It makes this so much easier, and if only more Christians admitted this. Truthfully, no one can logically justify why a God who loves you will subject you to eternal torture for disobeying him.

You tell me to ask God, which I have asked, and never recieved an answer. When I was Christian for 18 years, I never heard an answer...not through another person, not in thought, not in my dreams..no where. Even until this day, it makes no sense.

If he still loves me that's great. But if his love comes with the punishment of Hell for disobedience, then it's not a Love that I desire, and I will be better off without it.

Originally posted by Fatima
Yea , i guess he s terrified from the hell 😖

Right Lord Urizen ...?

How can I be terrified of a place that doesn't exist ?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Don't be so hasty to judge, he can still be a good person for the forum. I always assumed that was one of Jesus's teachings that you respected... Give it time.

Dude, I'm not trying to judge, but he clearly doesn't know what he is talking about.

I didn't say he wasn't a good person. But instead of answering my question, he went on to preach a sermon I have heard 10000 times, and it made no real contribution to what i intended for this debate.

And yes, "Do not judge lest ye be judged" is a value Jesus taught that I admire, and I don't mean to contradict it.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Now as for the question:
You have asked me this question very many times, and you have really made me think about it and study it.
An observation I made were that torture is never used to describe Hell. Torment is used and was a much different meaning. It is called the outer darkness and the river of fire. Weeping and gnashing of teeth are also used to describe it.
A common misconception about hell is that the torment is physical and externally inflicted. However, I do not find that scripture is in agreeance with this. Gnashing of teeth is the grinding of one's teeth, usually in anger, or because of pain. The fact that it is grouped with weeping leads me to believe that this 'torment' is very self inflicted and evidence by regret, remorse, anger (at oneself and perhaps at God). People would argue that the fire part of indicates burning and physical pain, etc. however I am not convinced that that is the case. The Bible says that we will be cast into the fire where there will be weeping gnashing of teeth, nowhere, does the Bible ever indicate that fire has any importance in our punishment after the first death (our physical death). This called Hades. Then according to Revelation 20: 13 at the Judgement God judges all people (and Hades gives up the people that were in it) and then Hades is thrown into the lake of fire reserved for Satan and apparently the false prophet and the beast. However, it clearly says that Hades is thrown into the fire (ie. destroyed), but not that the people in it are necessarily doomed for it. I believe that the unsaved can be saved still before the second death, it is just harder, and they will miss out on the millenial reign with Christ. However, at the end if their stay in Hades does not make them repent of their own volition they have chosen the lake of fire and the second death. Now, that does not seem unreasonable to me because in Hades and at Judgement they will very clearly see God and perhaps finally understand him. I really feel that very few will actually receive the eternal punishment.
Now since I assume you believe that sins (rape, murder, lying, etc.) require some sort of punishment, I will assume that you believe that God must punish us in some way, even if it is not eternal. Therefore, God is neither sadistic nor cruel. I think to end up in the lake of fire, one has to really want to go there. <And that is a pretty bad decision.
I'm hoping that answers your question.

An interesting take on this.

But why have so many Christians talked about physical torment though? JIA is one Evangelical notorious for pushing the idea of physical torture in Hell...unbearable.

And Torture and Torment are the same thing essentially. Spiritual torment is still torture.

The Bible also states that people will BURN in the Lake of Fire.....sounds like physical- like torture to me, but perhaps my intepretations are as ignorant as some fanatic Christian's teachings are.

My mom told me that god created hell for boys that touch themselfs at night.................I'm going there very soon.

Originally posted by Terrorist
The Pineapple is burning cinder hot and the demons are shoving it up condemend asses. Thats not hell! thats a gay parade.

You either go to a gay parade after you die or you go to eternal mass listening to Jesus in heaven. either way its a win win situation.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
My mom told me that god created hell for boys that touch themselfs at night.................I'm going there very soon.

SEE ! I KNEW IT ! HELL IS A GAY ORGY !!! droolio

I WANNA GO ! I WANNA GO !