Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The Bible says that the animals were meant to be reigned by man. Therefore, according to your religion, they were meant to serve us.Jesus ate fish...so did his apostles....nice try 👇
The Universe has always existed, and no imaginary being created it. It simply changes form. First Law of Physics will tell you that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, it always changes states.
That means, all material and energy is eternal, no beginning no end, it only changes form. The Universe, and all its stars and planets, are born, die, and are reborn in different forms.
Science demands we study our universe. So instead of staring at our universe and concluding that there is a god, why not [b]study
it, and see whats really there ? [/B]
I don't think we will truly know everything about it or until we die if God might reveal how he did it. About the eating of fish ive always heard that he was a vegetarian until now which i've looked into, it would seem he did eat fish.
Originally posted by kevdudeTell me.. what does Romans 14 tell you?
I am for animal rights, they are alive too and can feel pain as much as humans. God made them for a purpose just like he made everything for a purpose. To kill anything is wrong. I don't believe we should eat animals either, Christ was a vegetarian. Eating a lobster is just like eating a cockroach or any other kinda bug. I also don't understand how some think creation appeared out of no where. Go outside and gaze at the stars if you believe that and then tell yourself there is no God and I think you might finally get it.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The Bible says that the animals were meant to be reigned by man. Therefore, according to your religion, they were meant to serve us.Jesus ate fish...so did his apostles....nice try 👇
The Universe has always existed, and no imaginary being created it. It simply changes form. First Law of Physics will tell you that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, it always changes states.
That means, all material and energy is eternal, no beginning no end, it only changes form. The Universe, and all its stars and planets, are born, die, and are reborn in different forms.
Science demands we study our universe. So instead of staring at our universe and concluding that there is a god, why not [b]study
it, and see whats really there ? [/B]
Statement: When speaking of God, one cannot deal in "impossibles" and "cannots."
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
You beleive that animals were meant to serve us, if that is so, then why do the majority of animals not serve us at all?Why is it that thousands of species of animals live thier own lives, independent from and of human beings, if they were created to serve us ?
1) Mental Capacity...I certainly hope you are not speaking on behalf of ALL humans....we have done such great damage to this world, and to eachother. How is higher mental capacity an automatic advantage, when it has also lead to incredible pain ?
2) How do you know we are the only species with a concious ? I suggest you read up on the psychology of dogs, horses, dolphins, and other mammals.
3) The ability to produce and enjoy art serves nature in no way, and therefore cannot be used as an example as to how we are superior.
Statement: The ability to appreciate and create art indicates a higher level of consciousness that is not present in any other animal.
Conclusion: The ability to create and appreciate art demonstrates human superiority.
4) We cannot communicate the way Dolphins communicate.
Statement: Humans can communicate on an infinitely deeper level than dolphins, though, and humans automatically find ways to produce language.
Evidence: FeceMan has read about a psychological study where deaf children were kept living together and they created their own sign language (as seen here).
We cannot survive underwater the way whales and many fish can.
Declaration: Urizen may send FeceMan a private message when a fish creates a device that allows it to survive on land.
We cannot fly on our own.
We cannot naturally detect cancer cells in our body the way a dog can.We cannot see more than a few hundred colors the way certain insects can.
We do not have anywhere the amount of disclipine an army ant has.
We cannot survive certain weather conditions the way polar bears or penguins can.
WE cannot survive extreme temperatures the way certain insects can either.
Statement: Humans have created for themselves ways to survive such extremes, and army ants are directed by a single entity: the queen.
Declaration: A hive mind is not an advantage.
You clearly know very little of the animal kingdom, and it is scientific fact that human beings are animals.
Declaration: Humans are a higher degree of animal.
Did you know that there were other species of human that existed before homo sapien ?
We are animals. Get over it.
You beleive that animals were meant to serve us, if that is so, then why do the majority of animals not serve us at all?
They would, if we had need of there services. However, note that any Animal mankind wishes to use, for whatever reason, it can and does with minimal effort.
Why is it that thousands of species of animals live thier own lives, independent from and of human beings, if they were created to serve us ?
Simply and only because we allow them too. No Animal in the world can hope to actively resist us, at least successfully so.
1) Mental Capacity...I certainly hope you are not speaking on behalf of ALL humans....we have done such great damage to this world, and to eachother. How is higher mental capacity an automatic advantage, when it has also lead to incredible pain ?
So? Doing damage to one another does not diminish our intelligence, only our judgment. Actually, having the ability to wipe out nearly all forms of life on the planet in a short amount of time is another reason why we are superior to all the other Animals of the world.
4) We cannot communicate the way Dolphins communicate. We cannot communicate the way bats can.
Dolphins can not communicate the way Humans can. Anyware in the world near instantly.
We cannot survive underwater the way whales and many fish can.
Fish can not survive on land the way Humans can. 😐
They can't fly into space either.
We cannot fly on our own.
So? This again proves how our intelligence alone makes us superior to all other animals.
We cannot naturally detect cancer cells in our body the way a dog can.
A Dog can not fight and rid oneself of Cancer the way we can.
We cannot see more than a few hundred colors the way certain insects can.
Who needs too? Thats what binoculars are for. No Insect can see Venus, I'm pretty sure. Our minds allow us to make devices that can enable us to do so, however.
We do not have anywhere the amount of discipline an army ant has.
Army ants also can not form independent strategies of there own and imrpovise. Also, no Human army depends solely on one person, as an Army ant depends on it's queen. The United States would function just as well with Bush or a general dead as usual.
We cannot survive certain weather conditions the way polar bears or penguins can.
Polar Bears and Penguins can not survive in certain weather conditions we can.
We cannot survive extreme temperatures the way certain insects can either.
Certain insects can't survive certain certain weather climates that we can survive either. Actually, Humans can survive any climate given the right technology.
There are so many things that animals can do, that we cannot. There are so many things animals survive and endure that we could never overcome.
There are three times as many things that all other Animals can never hope to do that Humans can do.
You clearly know very little of the animal kingdom, and it is scientific fact that human beings are animals.
You're clearly overlooking the obvious ability Humans have over every other Animal on the planet, the sole ability that makes us completely and unquestionably superior. And duh, we're Animals. But we're just the best type of Animals.
EDIT: Damn, Fece beat me to it.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Animals can't defend themselves? Pick a fight with my Pitbull and tell me that.
Okay, I'll bring my M-16 though.
Originally posted by kevdudeYou do know there are easier explanations than a God, right?
I am for animal rights, they are alive too and can feel pain as much as humans. God made them for a purpose just like he made everything for a purpose. To kill anything is wrong. I don't believe we should eat animals either, Christ was a vegetarian. Eating a lobster is just like eating a cockroach or any other kinda bug. I also don't understand how some think creation appeared out of no where. Go outside and gaze at the stars if you believe that and then tell yourself there is no God and I think you might finally get it.
Originally posted by Goddess KaliI figure you are a vegetarian then.
I am 100% for animal rights, but I find it hypocritical when a person who defends animal rights supports the death penalty or abortion.
Originally posted by FeceManStop trolling Shakya, we know he is an idiot.
Statement: The problem is made visible to FeceMan.Assertation: Shakyamunison is a believer in a false god and has exchanged the truth for a lie.
Declaration: Shakyamunison will be able to make statements such as those found in the quoted material with impunity, but members of KMC will leap upon FeceMan's assertation like wolves on a wounded moose.
Now reply to my points, *******.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I figure you are a vegetarian then.
I still eat fish. Can't beat the protein sources. Besides, to kill for food is survival, not sport. Living off vegatables alone is not healthy at all, in fact, it can destroy muscle mass
Soy protein alone cannot compensate, and plant proteins, which are incomplete amino acid chains, cannot supply the same muscle maintaining, organ revitalizing, iron efficient, and immuno strengthening benefits that fish and meat do.
Not to mention your Omega 3s from fish like Salmon.
To be a strict vegan is not healthy, and I do not care what anyone says, it's not. We are omnivores, and therefore must balance a totality of food sources.
However...that does not give us the right to torture an animal of any kind, or to kill the animal for our own pleasure.
And I stand behind what I said...It is hypocritical for one to defend animal rights to the death, but still be okay with the death penalty and abortion.
Likewise, it is hypocritical for one who critisizes abortion or the death penalty, to be okay with animal cruelty.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Stop trolling Shakya, we know he is an idiot.
He is far far wiser than you. And far more attractive.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I still eat fish. Can't beat the protein sources. Besides, to kill for food is survival, not sport. Living off vegatables alone is not healthy at all, in fact, it can destroy muscle mass
Aha, but shouldn't we then maybe say that you are 95.3% for animal rights?
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
He is far far wiser than you. And far more attractive.
Oh you...tee hee.
Originally posted by RedAlertv2
Because endangered animals are cute but homeless people arent.
😆
You made a very valid point there. I honestly, never thought of that. United States spends tons of money protecting endangered animals, while ignoring many of our impoverous citizens.
But I would also like to ask, why would we hold humans in higher regards than animals ? Simply because we are smarter ?
Originally posted by dadudemon
How do you know he is more attractive?
Shakymunison is a handsome older man, who is in generally good shape.
Bardock is a short bald german man, who never reveals himself.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Aha, but shouldn't we then maybe say that you are 95.3% for animal rights?
Animals hunt and kill each other. We are animals too. We have the right to kill for survival.
We have the right to kill another human if that human threatens our life as well.
You also have the right to protect and provide for yourself and your loved ones.
As long as people keep hunting and killing fish, instead of letting those bodies go to waste, I will consume the nutrition that arises from it. Survival off vegatables and fruits alone is not healthy, and can cause many problems.
I beleive we have the right to kill for survival, but not for pleasure. Not for sport. If the body of a fish or cow is the difference between survival and starvation, then I will kill that animal and eat it.
But likewise, If I attack the animal, the animal has every right to defend itself and kill me. Do you understand ?
Originally posted by Bardock42I'd love to continue this bit of joking around but I'd be directly mocking someone that I don't want to mock, even if I disagree with them on one of their sentiments. And no, it's not you.
Oh I forgot, they are plants...everything's fine then.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali"Then where do the stories come from, I wonder?"
Bardock is a short bald german man, who never reveals himself.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, I understand, it's just not true. You can live a healthy life on a vegetarian diet. The animals are killed because there are people that consume them, not the other way around. If you are so much for animal rights you should not eat them.
Vegetarian diet does not support muscular growth, strength, and/or regeneration. Unless you want to be underweight, have deteriorated muscles, or have enough time in the day and enough money to consume the quantity of plant proteins required to compensate for lack of animal proteins, the vegan lifestyle isn't the healthiest.
Animals are killed for food. And animals kill eachother for food. I never argued against that.
But I do get your point.
I shouldn't eat something that I beleive deserves the right to live. However, i don't think killing is an absolute wrong, especially where survival is concerned.
I simply don't think we have the right to torture animals, or kill them for sport, since it does not serve our necessities, only our desires.
However, survival is an unfortunate and brutal necessity.