Well, if you look at the fight, Vader is pursuing Obi-Wan and pushing him back through 90% of it. Obi is blocking all his attacks and retreating. He doesn't try to stand toe to toe with him.
When they stalemate over the force push and when they are on the table
are the only times where it seems even.
And outside of the fight, if you look at the other 2 films, Obi gets beaten by Dooku every time.
With sabers or with the Force, with support or without.
The anakin/obi duel is it's own seperate deal. 🙂
It is. Because one could wonder why Ob1 does the retreating thing. He doesn't want to hurt Anakin and Anakin SOOO wants to hurt OB1... So is OB1 retreating because Anakin is stronger or because he's hoping there's still reason in him. After all, there's that ROTJ line from Vader to Luke about OB1 that is nowhere to be found in the PT: "OB1 once thought as you did." Well, I never see OB1 saying there's still good in Anakin other than maybe unsaid in this fight.
So there are two ways of looking at it. Then end is the same: OB1 pwned Anakin.
Originally posted by queeq
It is. Because one could wonder why Ob1 does the retreating thing. He doesn't want to hurt Anakin and Anakin SOOO wants to hurt OB1... So is OB1 retreating because Anakin is stronger or because he's hoping there's still reason in him. After all, there's that ROTJ line from Vader to Luke about OB1 that is nowhere to be found in the PT: "OB1 once thought as you did." Well, I never see OB1 saying there's still good in Anakin other than maybe unsaid in this fight.So there are two ways of looking at it. Then end is the same: OB1 pwned Anakin.
He pwned him? Are you serious? He jumped and got some limbs with a swipe of his saber, he wasn't battering Anakin by any means. He kicked him in the stomach once and Anakin just looked at him and kept coming, and then he kicked him while Anakin was running at him...that's it.
And he didn't want to hurt Anakin? He drew his saber first, there's the scene when they first go inside and OB1 twists his arm and tries to hack his head off, and the scene on the table where he tries to kill a defenseless Anakin. Yea, that's not wanting to hurt someone.
OB1's form is a defensive form where you bide your time and look for a hole in the game of your opponent and guess what...he didn't find one until Anakin made a dumb-ass jump.
Anakin was dominating the fight and lost on because of his own hubris, not OB1's superior skill...just his experience.
How's it speculating that he was trying to kill an unarmed (no pun intended) Anakin?
It would have been pwnage if he destroyed Anakin within a minute or so, not after 12 minutes. And what you call pwnage, I call luck. Ob1 seems to have an affinity for luck.
Anakin beating Dooku was pwnage, he dominated the solo fight and cut off both hands and a head, but did it very quickly and easily.
OB1 couldn't have pulled off the same victory had they been in a different setting that wouldn't allow Anakin to make a dumbass jump like that.
Agreed.
And the thread is about Obi v.s. Dooku, not Anakin.
Obi looses to Dooku, always and forever. 😛
No matter what happened later with Anakin, that was more of luck/fluke thing that Anakin got angry and stupid and Obi got a good shot at him.
I think it's safe to say that he wouldn't have been able to land a mortal wound to him in any other circumstances.
But regardless, Dooks pWnZ Obi-Wan.
I win. 😄
It is about Dooku and OB1 but it is puzzling how OB1 looses to Dooku. Dooku is fairly easily beaten by Anakinm while OB1 in his fight with Anakin never seems to be in any form of mortal danger.
And then he PWNs him! Again, the fact taht he doesn't beat him earlier is due to:
a. Anakin is stronger....
or
b. OB1 holds back in hopes of saving Anakin
The reason the fight was so dragged out was because they were trying to show how in tune with each other they were. The novel even stated they "knew each other more intimately than lovers, or something like that, and being that OB1 trained him and has mastered the ultimate defensive form, its no wonder it took so long.
Dooku is far superior to OB1, and all Anakin had to do to beat him was "decide" (from the novel). There's no way OB1 was holding back when fighting Anakin when he tried to kill him multiple times. He even drew his saber first when he had his back turned. Plus he didn't deny it when Padme asked if he was going to kill Anakin.
Anakin was the more powerful fighter, as confirmed by GL, but OB1 had more experience and wasn't blinded by rage as Anakin was.
"Antaeus > Anakin as a Jedi is much more powerful than both of them (ep. 3)."
Originally posted by queeq
And yet, OB1 beats him.
No he did not - he beated Anakin when he was a confused and angry turnover (Sith). Not when he was a powerful Jedi.
Anakin as Jedi (ep. 3) was MUCH more powerful compared to OB1.
He beated Dooku easily - OB1 had no chance against Dooku, twice.
I also think it was wrong that OB1 could beat Anakin as a Sith - the only explanation is that Anakin was confused and angry and not in balance - a fight later when Anakin was in balance as a Sith OB1 would have had no chance.
Anakin is in another class compared to OB1.