Count Dooku or Obi-Wan Kenobi

Started by Antaeus5 pages

Originally posted by queeq
And it's no excuse. Hate, anger, rage... isn't that supposed to give a Sith focus, as Palpy put it?

We should stop discussing this, it makes the PT even owrse than it already is. 😉

1) But your response is still wrong.

You answered on my quote "Antaeus > Anakin as a Jedi is much more powerful than both of them (ep. 3)."

No question that Anakin as Jedi (ep. 3) was more powerful than both Dooku and OB1.

2) As Sith:
Balance is still very important - young Anakin-Sith did not had that in the fight.

I still think it was a mistake the way OB1 did win against Anakin - he was much to powerful at that time. Lucas made a big mistake (my opinion).

Actually I think it is an okay discussion......

Originally posted by queeq
I dunno... his "my new Empire" speech didn't sound like someone who feels he may be wrong.
I think he was just trying to justify it to himself and seem sure of himself even if he wasn't. Lies and deceit are his ways now. If he showed weakness by not even being confident in everything he had just done, then OB1 may have been able to convince him to come back to the light, then his life would be over. He'd be jailed and/or executed by the courts...after being recruited to kill Sidious I'm sure.

Originally posted by Antaeus
1) But your response is still wrong.

You answered on my quote "Antaeus > Anakin as a Jedi is much more powerful than both of them (ep. 3)."

No question that Anakin as Jedi (ep. 3) was more powerful than both Dooku and OB1.

Anteaus sounds like EU. That is forbidden here.

Originally posted by queeq
Anteaus sounds like EU. That is forbidden here.

EU ? - Probably not European Union, but then what?????
What is forbidden?

Sigh....

😂

Wait until the TV shows get kicking, then it REALLY be back to n00bsville.

???
Speak as we understand it or don't.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
😂

Wait until the TV shows get kicking, then it REALLY be back to n00bsville.

I bet. We'll open a separate forum for that when it comes.

It won't just go in the EU section?

Nope.... that'd be too bad for folks like me. 😉

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, you don't like EU. 😛

Dooku > Obi Wan, in saber combat or force usage.

^^^... see HE gets it and he's only been here 2 weeks. 😛

Oh I agree.... It just makes the rest so odd.

Re: Re: Count Dooku or Obi-Wan Kenobi

Originally posted by Tangible God
Dooku was one of the finest swordsmen of the Prequel-era Order.

Irrelevant Misdirection, Logical Fallacy. The thread and I are asking who's better, forcewise.

He was on par with Mace Windu.

Vague, likely speaking of the irrelevant saber ability, and completely unsupported, and unsubstantiated.

And you better not come up with some bologna that Kenobi could defeat Mace.

Again, you're still clearly referring to saber combat. Forcewise, Mace hasn't displayed jack, whereas Obi-Wan hurls Grievous around like he's a pebble and senses the deaths of countless Jedi through Order 66.

One on One in AOTC, no surprise ambushes or anything, Dooku WTFpwned Kenobi with total ease.

Wow, way to speak in respect to an incarnation of Obi-Wan that was yet to gain 3 years of war experience. Seriously, well done old chap.

Not to mention that Dooku only overpowers him while battling him with a saber, which is exactly parallel to the way he did so in RotS. A surprise attack, not proof of superiority in force power. It speaks for how great a fighter Dooku is, his concentration, his strategy, and is testament to how effective dueling with just one hand can be.

In ROTS he boots away Anakin, grabs Kenobi by the neck and chucks him across room only to bring an entire balcony down upon him.

See above. Given the surprise nature of the attack, there's no way Obi-Wan would have been able to apply a defence, meaning that the apparent superiority there on Dooku's part is not in force ability.

Based solely on the movies, Dooku is more powerful in the Force

Name one thing he does on par with hurling Grievous about 50 feet up into the air at a pretty incredible speed, or sensing the effects of Order 66? Oh that's right, you can't, meaning that based on the movies, evidence points to Obi-Wan being the more powerful of the two in force ability.

and in saber combat.

Irrelevant.

BTW: OWNED! 😆

No dude, you're just an Obi-wan fanboy. ❌

You remind me of Rampant Ox when he used to argue that Anakin didn't pwn Dooku and that it was some luck thing. 😛

In ROTS, Dooku FORCE CHOKES obi-wan, FORCE LIFTS him up and throws him WITH THE FORCE into a balcony, and then USES THE FORCE to drop said balcony on him.

They had a 2 to 1 advantage on Dooku, and as you said "3 years war experience" jump in skill.

This "surprise nature of the attack" is BS.

Dooku pWnZ obi, sabers, force, or otherwise.

No dude, you're just an Obi-wan fanboy.

Suck on my balls b1tch.

You remind me of Rampant Ox when he used to argue that Anakin didn't pwn Dooku and that it was some luck thing.

Anakin didn't "pwn" Dooku. Given that Dooku was able to effortlessly duel against both Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time and disable Obi-Wan with ease, it's pretty obvious that he was testing Anakin and not going for the kill, given that Anakin's hardly leagues better than Obi-Wan or anything. Anakin did get lucky, in so much as his sudden increase in skill was able to catch Dooku off guard and cost him his hands. So I remind you of this guy called Rampant Ox, huh? Cool, it's probably because we've both been right in these cases.

In ROTS, Dooku FORCE CHOKES obi-wan, FORCE LIFTS him up and throws him WITH THE FORCE into a balcony, and then USES THE FORCE to drop said balcony on him.

Unfortunate...

Apparently the vast majority of people here have no capacity for logical thought beyond that of a ten year old.

Z0MG, bcO$ Dukuz att4cKd Mpb1 1 w!tH teH f0RZe itz menz th4T dUkis mraore p0erf1uL 11!elev1ne;

Right, now let's look at the facts:

1. When Force User A overpowers Force User B, a superiority in that respect can only be proven if Force user B was able to apply a defence, but still overpowered. For instance, you wouldn't say that Dooku was more powerful than Obi-Wan with the force if he blasted him apart with lightning while Obi-Wan was asleep, would you? Of course you wouldn't!

2. Darth Sidious had erected a shroud of the darkside over the Jedi which Mace Windu specifically recognises as hindering the Jedi's foresight. In other words, Obi-Wan's pre-cog would clearly be severely lessened in the situation in question (especially considering how Palpatine was in the same room as him), leaving him more open to a surprise attack.

3. Count Dooku had been owning both Anakin and Obi-Wan all over the place, and was clearly outclassing them in saber combat, meaning that the chances are Obi-Wan would have had to have been applying virtually all of his concentration into keeping up with Dooku in that regard, which certainly would leave him defenceless against a sudden force attack that he wouldn't be expecting. He certainly doesn't appear to have caught on (was right in the middle of a saber strike), or attempt to defend against anything (no hand motions for example).

Add all points together, and no superiority on Dooku's part in the respect that I and the thread is dealing with can be substantiated.

But feel free to continue capitalising the word "force" you weirdo, it makes your case oh so convincing.

They had a 2 to 1 advantage on Dooku, and as you said "3 years war experience" jump in skill.

Which speaks for how great a duelist and fighter Dooku is. It in no way undermines the fact that Obi-Wan was only overpowered by a SURPRISE ATTACK!!

Having trouble reading that? Here, again, for the retards who have trouble reading:

"OBI-WAN WAS OVERPOWERED BY A SURPRISE ATTACK"

ARE?YOU?GETTING?IT?YET?

This "surprise nature of the attack" is BS.

Yeah, perhaps for a dumbass 10 year old.

Dooku pWnZ obi, sabers, force, or otherwise.

In saber ability and fighting ability? Hell yeah! But with the force? No!

Obi-Wan senses the mass effect of Order 66 and is able to throw Grievous around like a b1tch. That's power beyond anything seen of Dooku in the movies.

BTW: U GOT OWNZED!

Originally posted by nmensfinest
Suck on my balls b1tch.

Anakin didn't "pwn" Dooku. Given that Dooku was able to effortlessly duel against both Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time and disable Obi-Wan with ease, it's pretty obvious that he was testing Anakin and not going for the kill, given that Anakin's hardly leagues better than Obi-Wan or anything. Anakin did get lucky, in so much as his sudden increase in skill was able to catch Dooku off guard and cost him his hands. So I remind you of this guy called Rampant Ox, huh? Cool, it's probably because we've both been right in these cases.

Unfortunate...

Apparently the vast majority of people here have no capacity for logical thought beyond that of a ten year old.

Z0MG, bcO$ Dukuz att4cKd Mpb1 1 w!tH teH f0RZe itz menz th4T dUkis mraore p0erf1uL 11!elev1ne;

Right, now let's look at the facts:

1. When Force User A overpowers Force User B, a superiority in that respect can only be proven if Force user B was able to apply a defence, but still overpowered. For instance, you wouldn't say that Dooku was more powerful than Obi-Wan with the force if he blasted him apart with lightning while Obi-Wan was asleep, would you? Of course you wouldn't!

2. Darth Sidious had erected a shroud of the darkside over the Jedi which Mace Windu specifically recognises as hindering the Jedi's foresight. In other words, Obi-Wan's pre-cog would clearly be severely lessened in the situation in question (especially considering how Palpatine was in the same room as him), leaving him more open to a surprise attack.

3. Count Dooku had been owning both Anakin and Obi-Wan all over the place, and was clearly outclassing them in saber combat, meaning that the chances are Obi-Wan would have had to have been applying virtually all of his concentration into keeping up with Dooku in that regard, which certainly would leave him defenceless against a sudden force attack that he wouldn't be expecting. He certainly doesn't appear to have caught on (was right in the middle of a saber strike), or attempt to defend against anything (no hand motions for example).

Add all points together, and no superiority on Dooku's part in the respect that I and the thread is dealing with can be substantiated.

But feel free to continue capitalising the word "force" you weirdo, it makes your case oh so convincing.

Which speaks for how great a duelist and fighter Dooku is. It in no way undermines the fact that Obi-Wan was only overpowered by a SURPRISE ATTACK!!

Having trouble reading that? Here, again, for the retards who have trouble reading:

[b]"OBI-WAN WAS OVERPOWERED BY A SURPRISE ATTACK"

ARE?YOU?GETTING?IT?YET?

Yeah, perhaps for a dumbass 10 year old.

In saber ability and fighting ability? Hell yeah! But with the force? No!

Obi-Wan senses the mass effect of Order 66 and is able to throw Grievous around like a b1tch. That's power beyond anything seen of Dooku in the movies. [/B]

1.) Watch your language n00b.

2.) Obi sensed the Order 66 real good when he got blasted off that mountain riding the dianoga.... didn't he?

3.) You have thinly linked logic and theories that are unprovable (the dark side clouding caused Obi-Wan to be vulnerable to the Force attacks) to back your claims, and I have two back-to-back films where Obi-Wan Kenobi is defeated by Dooku, first in saber combat (AOTC) and then by the Force (ROTS) and BOTH times he has a 2 to 1 advantage going into the fight.

4.) You're a troll, and a rude one at that. Reported.

5.) Have a nice day. 🙂

1.) Watch your language n00b.

Call me a n00b again, and I'll make you suck on my balls, b1tch!

2.) Obi sensed the Order 66 real good when he got blasted off that mountain riding the dianoga.... didn't he?

Wow, dumbass, way to misread what I was saying, which was that he sensed the EFFECTS (gosh, do I have to capitalise everything for you to be able to READ and UNDERSTAND what I'm saying?) of Order 66, as in the mass death that it caused. He was able to sense the disturbance caused from lightyears away.

3.) You have thinly linked logic and theories that are unprovable (the dark side clouding caused Obi-Wan to be vulnerable to the Force attacks) to back your claims,

Again, DUMBASS, way to misread what I was saying. I didn't say that Sidious was weakening their force defences (idiot idiot idiot) but their foresight, which would make them not more vulnerable to force attacks (moron moron moron), but to being caught off guard.

ARE?YOU?GETTING?THIS?YET?

N00B?

and I have two back-to-back films where Obi-Wan Kenobi is defeated by Dooku, first in saber combat (AOTC) and then by the Force (ROTS) and BOTH times he has a 2 to 1 advantage going into the fight.

You're bringing up already defeated points (which you failed to reply to the rebuttal of), logical fallacy at its best.

The saber combat bit? Irrelevant.

The force bit? To an 8 year old it might look like Dooku may be stronger in that respect based on that evidence, but to us teenagers who know how to apply context and substantiate, it proves nothing. Breaking what happens down like I have previously done in this thread, it proves nothing in terms of what the thread is asking for.

4.) You're a troll, and a rude one at that. Reported.

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5.) Have a nice day.

Suck. On. My. Balls. N00bsaber.

(BTW: You're gay)