Goku vs Pre Crisis Superman

Started by marwash2217 pages

not to mention the force behind a punch of someone who can literally move a mountain. or breathe sub-zero temperatures.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I disagree
too bad that's not the point.

Can anyone point to Goku's greatest strength feat?

Originally posted by marwash22
too bad that's not the point.
I know I agree that PC Supes wins though.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Can anyone point to Goku's greatest strength feat?

That's the problem with DBZ the whole thing is more or less a big fat ABC logic system.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I know I agree that PC Supes wins though.

But what exactly has Goku done that puts him above Current Superman?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But what exactly has Goku done that puts him above Current Superman?
Originally posted by Parmaniac
That's the problem with DBZ the whole thing is more or less a big fat ABC logic system.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Can anyone point to Goku's greatest strength feat?
King Kai gave him something like 50 tons of weight, plus the additional weight from his weighted-clothing, plus the gravity which iirc, is 10X Earth's.

This puts his greatest strength feat at, moving around easily with 500 tons of weight.

Factor in that ss4 makes him 30 times stronger than his base form... Realistically it makes his optimal lifting strength at around 15,000 tons. laughable in comparison to PC Superman.

facepalm @ geoffrey for opening this.

http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dbz/power-levels%28new%29.htm

Like I said DBZ works different

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dbz/power-levels%28new%29.htm

Like I said DBZ works different


Past the Frieza saga all power levels are conjecture.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Past the Frieza saga all power levels are conjecture.
Yes but you get the image of how redicoulus their power levels went.

For example Trunks in his first appereance tanked Freezers death ball and then sliced and diced him with his sword, then Goku shows up and Trunks tried to slice him to and Goku blocks the sword with his fingers.

You can go up like that till you reach perfect Cell.

it's stated that a Saiyan gets something like, 10 times stronger when he becomes a SS. my calculation seems logical. Power level don't mean a damn thing though; power levels measure the total amount of energy a person has... not how much physical strength a character has.

Originally posted by marwash22
it's stated that a Saiyan gets something like, 10 times stronger when he becomes a SS. my calculation seems logical. Power level don't mean a damn thing though; power levels measure the total amount of energy a person has... not how much physical strength a character has.
Have you ever seen Monarch lift weights? Or Galactus or Thanos?

Again I'm also going with PC supes here, my point is that DBZ simply doesn't have that kind of feats but that doesn't necessarily mean that they can't take on people with these feats. Hulk lifted insanely stupid masses and still far far weaker people could hurt him or he punched people far far below this strength and durability level and they still lived after that.

But well Supes sneezd away a solar system so the stupidity high level feats still go with PC Supes. Just wanted to made my point clear.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Have you ever seen Monarch lift weights? Or Galactus or Thanos?

Monarch isn't the greatest example since he's a vastly upgraded Captain Atom and Captain Atom does have some lifting feats of his own which would presumably be increased greatly in Monarch.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Monarch isn't the greatest example since he's a vastly upgraded Captain Atom and Captain Atom does have some lifting feats of his own which would presumably be increased greatly in Monarch.
But you get my point with that.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
But you get my point with that.

Sure. But as already pointed out multiplying Goku's high end base strength feats by 10, 20, or 30 still doesn't put him in the same class as Current Superman, let alone PC.

Originally posted by marwash22
King Kai gave him something like 50 tons of weight, plus the additional weight from his weighted-clothing, plus the gravity which iirc, is 10X Earth's.

This puts his greatest strength feat at, moving around easily with 500 tons of weight.

Factor in that ss4 makes him 30 times stronger than his base form... Realistically it makes his optimal lifting strength at around 15,000 tons. laughable in comparison to PC Superman.

Wasn't that around the Namek saga, and therefore, thousands of times weaker than he was at the end of DBZ, let alone GT?

Goku can suck a ****.

Originally posted by Blanket
Wasn't that when he was dead before he went to Namek, and therefore, thousands of times weaker than he was at the end of DBZ, let alone GT?
yeah. what's your point? Ok, Let's get ridiculously unrealistic here and say his base form at the end of GT was 1000 times stronger. This would mean his base is capable of lifting 500,000 tons... transform him into ss4, that puts his lifting strength at 15 million tons. This is totally unfounded but let's just call it a fact to appease you...

PC Superman moved a planet. let's downplay it and say it's the smallest planet we have, Mercury. Mercury weighs approximately...

602, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 tons. LMFAO! Do you now realize how absurdly strong PC Superman is?

Originally posted by marwash22
yeah. what's your point? Ok, Let's get ridiculously unrealistic here and say his base form at the end of GT was 1000 times stronger. This would mean his base is capable of lifting 500,000 tons... transform him into ss4, that puts his lifting strength at 15 million tons. This is totally unfounded but let's just call it a fact to appease you...

PC Superman moved a planet. let's downplay it and say it's the smallest planet we have, Mercury. Mercury weighs approximately...

602, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 tons. LMFAO! Do you now realize how absurdly strong PC Superman is?

All I was pointing out is your attempt to downplay Goku.

I really don't care how much Superman lifts. But when people go to lengths to point out how weak someone was at the start of the series? It gets ridiculous regardless.