Super Buu vs Thanos

Originally posted by Creshosk
It's not so much just based off of lifting but durability.

If the Z fighters themselves aren't all that strong then the shots they take from each other, or put them down, wouldn't be that heavy.

Thanos at one point in time was taking shots from class 100ers and backhanded them easily. Showing that Thanos's durability would be high enough to take the less strong hits from the DBZ characters.

Then how do you account for the damage done to the surrounding landscape from the shockwaves and impacts of blows and landings from said blows? You don't shatter mountains and planets with Class 40 strength. I think we both know it's "implied" that he and his opponents are stronger based on what actually happens during combat.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
(I understand your not trying to place spiderman on gokus level btw)

Which essentially finalizes my point. Spiderman is not quick enough to replicate what goku did, but it is clear that goku is so fast, his oppoment was unable to register a fluid motion and instead saw an inanimate object. A failure of preception, and a success of motion. Goku's speed eclipses everyone on marvel earth, save the few high level beings, and perhaps quicksilver at one time. And this is strictly speed.

On the other hand, its a great feat. It was great when superman did it, and its great when goku did it.

You really haven't shown Goku as vibrating through the punches, because the people were fast enough to pull their own arms out of the way. Where as Superman is shown vibrating through an attack where the attack remained in place.

All you've shown is goku can get back into position before the people realize he moved.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Then how do you account for the damage done to the surrounding landscape from the the shockwaves and impacts of blows and landings from said blows? You don't shatter mountains and planets with Class 40 strength. I think we both know it's "implied" that he and his opponents are stronger based on what actually happens during combat.

"Implication" wouldn't cut it for other comic book debates. People demand concrete evidence elsewhere too don't they?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hmm... I'm not so sure about that.

How many lifting feats does Thanos or Darkseid have compared to Superman? And how many fights have Spiderman or Quicksilver been involved in when witnesses couldn't see any points of the combat.

I'm not exactly a rookie guys...

Goku's speed is at the least in multiples of Mach considering on the effects he's depicted having on the landscape.

As cresh said, lifting feats aren't necessary when you have evidence of strength vs. known durability.

Considering the Z-fighters comparitively small strength, their blunt-force-trauma durability would be comparitvely low. Meaning their punches would do little damage to a Superman-level character, and Superman's punches would do SHIT-TONS in return. Their chi blasts are planet levellers, for sure. No doubt there. But their blunt force durability and their pure physical strength doesn't compare.

As far as Spiderman being unable to do it - he is only unable to because of opponents lack of speed, not because of his own. His speed is more than sufficient to replicate the feat, if someone jabbed at him fast enough.

Goku and the rest of the Z-crew are fast - no doubt, like I said, Mach is likely. BUT C IS NOT.

Goku and the rest of the Z-crew are strong - no doubt. But we have evidence that their strength is nothing compared to...Thor's? Superman's? ESPECIALLY Thanos'?

Goku and the rest of hte Z-crew are powerful - no doubt. A casual chi blast can level a planet - and since they can TAKE these casual chi blasts, surely their durability should match. But their physical power and physical durability is EXTREMELY lacking in comparison.

Didn't Thanos fight his way through blasts from Gugnir?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Then how do you account for the damage done to the surrounding landscape from the shockwaves and impacts of blows and landings from said blows? You don't shatter mountains and planets with Class 40 strength. I think we both know it's "implied" that he and his opponents are stronger based on what actually happens during combat.

Oh - and the Z-fighters are NOT invisible throughout their entire fights, even in the Buu and Cell saga. While they have BURSTS of apparent 'invisiblity,' there are plenty of times when they are still plainly visible.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well its pretty obvious that the DBZ characters use Chi to amp their own strength. if their are bursts of chi given off upon momentary loss of concentration then its the energy doing the damage which has already been stated to be on high levels.

"Implication" wouldn't cut it for other comic book debates. People demand concrete evidence elsewhere too don't they?

Yes it's a crime to use logic on kmc 🙄

I'm pretty hyperbole doesn't fall under the realm of logic.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Yes it's a crime to use logic on kmc 🙄

"I know Vishnu is the god of creation, but he's no Storm."

Such nonsense isnot tolerated, so why should other extrapolation?

Yes its not a crime to use logic, so don't be affraid to. No one will call the cops on you.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm pretty hyperbole doesn't fall under the realm of logic.

I'm pretty hyperbole, too...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm pretty hyperbole doesn't fall under the realm of logic.

damage done to the surrounding landscape from the shockwaves and impacts of blows are not hyperbole. they literally happened.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
damage done to the surrounding landscape from the shockwaves and impacts of blows are not hyperbole. they literally happened.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm pretty hyperbole, too...

I'm an omega level mutant does that count? ermmnone

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which happens at 50 tons... Still haven't proven that they're much greater than that since that's about the level that we're presently debating.

that's not the point. he said hyperbole doesn't fall under the realm of logic. illadelph12 said you don't shatter mountains with class 40 strength. that is not a hyperbole

Damn typos...

And for those people thinking Spiderman can do what Goku was doing on Namek, there is no way in hell Spiderman can do that. Those statements are plain retarded.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
And for those people thinking Spiderman can do what Goku was doing on Namek, there is no way in hell Spiderman can do that. Those statements are plain retarded.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh I see, despite your cute attempt to hide your fanboyism under your name you're no better than Phenomenal whom even those who argue for DBZ have put him on ignore due to his decrying feats irrationally.

You're the one that deserves to be ignored if you're putting putting Spiderman's speed on par with Goku's.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
You're the one that deserves to be ignored if you're putting putting Spiderman's speed on par with Goku's.

In case you didn't notice Goku's speed is in question. Your circular reasoning arguments aren't helping your case at all.

What has goku done speed wise that's all that impressive? Moved faster than his opponents could process? Whoopty do Wolverine's done that before.

So, wait a minute, you guys are saying that in the cartoon I watched with my own two eyes, that when characters are being punched from mid air and hitting the ground smashing through hills, mountains, etc, that it's only class 40-50 ton strength being exhibited, and that it's their "chi", not the characters physical impact with the object (as is clearly depicted on screen), that causes the destruction? I can see that for when they power up and it rips apart a valley, but I'm talking about clearly depicted collateral damage shown from when Goku gets punched through a cliff, brings the whole thing down, then flies out and re-engages in combat. That's a 40-50 ton blow?

Then your also saying that a character that can take an unknown weight class punch (because the amount of force exhibited in a characters punch is not always clearly stated, regardless of how much they can lift, it doesn't say "Superman punches Grundy with 1.5 million tons per sq inch force uppercut" in the caption) is more physically durable than a character that can take a planet shattering blast to the chest like it was a tennis ball? And on top of that, your saying that even if a character has no strength feats of their own, if they're depicted trading blows with a character with immense "lifting" strength, that their "physical" strength class and durability is greater than a Z fighter who has also taken the same non stated class punches?

I'm sorry, but I'm not really buying that ya'll.

40-50 tons of punching force is not launching a humanoid with enough force to travel a kilometer and still have enough inertia to go through a mountain range or cliff face and cause it to collapse as has been clearly depicted on screen in numerous episodes. Comparable lifting feats or not, it's clear that a Z Fighter and their opponents physical striking force exerted is greater than the 40-50 ton range.

I'm not a rookie. That's not working on me guys.