Super Buu vs Thanos

Originally posted by illadelph12
So, wait a minute, you guys are saying that in the cartoon I watched with my own two eyes, that when characters are being punched from mid air and hitting the ground smashing through hills, mountains, etc, that it's only class 40-50 ton strength being exhibited, and that it's their "chi", not the characters physical impact with the object (as is clearly depicted on screen), that causes the destruction? I can see that for when they power up and it rips apart a valley, but I'm talking about clearly depicted collateral damage shown from when Goku gets punched through a cliff, brings the whole thing down, then flies out and re-engages in combat. That's a 40-50 ton blow?

If you're talking about them getting hurled through stuff then there's really no telling how much force is used, since they don't need to strike that much harder than the person weighs. So yeah, its really not that high a hit to send a 300 pound object flying through the landscape.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Then your also saying that a character that can take an unknown weight class punch (because the amount of force exhibited in a characters punch is not always clearly stated, regardless of how much they can lift, it doesn't say "Superman punches Grundy with 1.5 million tons per sq inch force uppercut" in the caption) is more physically durable than a character that can take a planet shattering blast to the chest like it was a tennis ball? And on top of that, your saying that even if a character has no strength feats of their own, if they're depicted trading blows with a character with immense "lifting" strength, that their "physical" strength class and durability is greater than a Z fighter who has also taken the same non stated class punches?

Even if the fire attack is super strong, its not going to have much effect on torch, even if it could level a city.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm sorry, but I'm not really buying that ya'll.

40-50 tons of punching force is not launching a humanoid with enough force to travel a kilometer and still have enough inertia to go through a mountain range or cliff face and cause it to collapse as has been clearly depicted on screen in numerous episodes.

Especially armor peircing bullets that fly right through metal? Not enough force in the explosion to destroy the gun, but the bullet is the projectile that flys through things fairly easily.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Comparable lifting feats or not, it's clear that a Z Fighter and their opponents physical striking force exerted is greater than the 40-50 ton range.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not a rookie. That's not working on me guys.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Are you deliberately misinterpreting what's being said or are you naturally this dense?

In case you didn't notice Goku's speed is in question. Your circular reasoning arguments aren't helping your case at all.

What has goku done speed wise that's all that impressive? Moved faster than his opponents could process? Whoopty do Wolverine's done that before.

Wolverine's opponents for the most part still have normal human reflexes and cognitive abilities. A majority of Goku's opponents are superhuman aliens that can fly through space and destroy continents. And let's not forget that in the Frieza Saga Goku did outrun a character that was stated to be capable of moving at light speed (Burter/Butta of the Ginyu Force). So he has on screen and in canon moved, or at least reacted and countered against, to c.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Wolverine's opponents for the most part still have normal human reflexes and cognitive abilities. A majority of Goku's opponents are superhuman aliens that can fly through space and destroy continents. And let's not forget that in the Frieza Saga Goku did outrun a character that was stated to be capable of moving at light speed (Burter/Butta of the Ginyu Force). So he has on screen and in canon moved, or at least reacted and countered against, to c.

Seriously its a show and manga about fighting. Psyching out your opponent is part of the warfare.

I mean hell Vegita even admitted once that he lied about one of the things he claimed purely to psyche the other person out.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Are you deliberately misinterpreting what's being said or are you naturally this dense?

In case you didn't notice Goku's speed is in question. Your circular reasoning arguments aren't helping your case at all.

What has goku done speed wise that's all that impressive? Moved faster than his opponents could process? Whoopty do Wolverine's done that before.

I'm not misinterpreting anything. You're calling me a fanboy of DBZ because I said that Spiderman is not as fast as Goku. Spiderman can't even dodge the green goblins ,let alone saiyans, attack the way Goku dodged the Ginyu force.

You just like to belittle DBZ character's speeds because you hate DBZ.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
I'm not misinterpreting anything. You're calling me a fanboy of DBZ because I said that Spiderman is not as fast as Goku. Spiderman can't even dodge the green goblins ,let alone saiyans, attack the way Goku dodged the Ginyu force.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
You just like to belittle DBZ character's speeds because you hate DBZ.

No I just hate bad logic.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Just as I thought, you are naturally that dense. Goku's speed is in question. The feats he's exhibited thus far haven't been that impressive.

🙄

No I just hate bad logic.

Goku's speed is in question to you.
Spiderman can't do what Goku did on Namek. If you can't accept that then you have no credibility.

Hate bad logic eh? Then you must really hate yourself when you speak , huh?

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Goku's speed is in question to you.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Spiderman can't do what Goku did on Namek. If you can't accept that then I you have no credibility.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Hate bad logic eh? Then you must really hate yourself when you speak , huh?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I thought you were talking about the shockwaves from the impact of the punches.

If you're talking about them getting hurled through stuff then there's really no telling how much force is used, since they don't need to strike that much harder than the person weighs. So yeah, its really not that high a hit to send a 300 pound object flying through the landscape.

Because the Z fighters strength feats aren't that impressive. then them slugging each other aren't that impressive. and as far as the energy durability thing goes, pictue using a fire attack on the human torch.

Even if the fire attack is super strong, its not going to have much effect on torch, even if it could level a city.

How much does a bullet weigh? How much force is required to launch it from a gun?

Especially armor peircing bullets that fly right through metal? Not enough force in the explosion to destroy the gun, but the bullet is the projectile that flys through things fairly easily.

Nope, there still ist' concrete evidence and you're still using extapolation.

uh huh... 🤨

bangin stupid

Well you know its really funny how in spite of there comic book counterparts, every anime/movie/Tv adaptation of DC/Marvel characters powers dont seem to even come close to the scale of power we saw in the DBZ series. I mean even the low tier characters in DBZ had greater displays of speed then flash then in the entire JLU series. Hell if we just went by the TV shows....android 18 could own supes lol.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right because he's lacking evidence. Just as any other claims are challenged in the forum on any other subject so too are the Z fighters.
You already lost all of yours, so I don't care what you think. If you can't back your claims with evidence then you really don't matter to me anyway.

The self loathing is your projection. Back up your claims and then you won't be using bad logic. Simple as.

Yes you're right. Spiderman is as fast as Goku. He can't dodge punches from the Green Goblin but he can create after images and look as if he never left the spot when being punched and attacked by the Ginyu force.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well you know its really funny how in spite of there comic book counterparts, every anime/movie/Tv adaptation of DC/Marvel characters powers dont seem to even come close to the scale of power we saw in the DBZ series. I mean even the low tier characters in DBZ had greater displays of speed then flash then in the entire JLU series. Hell if we just went by the TV shows....android 18 could own supes lol.

And the Comic book characters display greater feats than the DBZ characters have. Cause honestly? Comparitivley they're not that amazing.

You can destroy planets? Great... get in line.
160 tons is impressive to you? Pssh, You're weak.

Outside of extrapolation and Trash talking you don't seem to have alot to work with.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Yes you're right. Spiderman is as fast as Goku. He can't dodge punches from the Green Goblin but he can create after images and look as if he never left the spot when being punched and attacked by the Ginyu force.

No evidence=Claim invalidated.

Further you have really not brought anything to the table beyond insults and a lack of understanding. If you don't shape up I'll just have to ignore you.

Um, Creshosk, it actually happened in the episode. There wasn't a speedometer on the bottom of the screen that went up to lightspeed, but each member of the Ginyu Force, and Vegeta, were wearing one of those Power Level Reading Headsets, they all stated that Butta could move at lightspeed, and Butta, who was stated to be capable of moving at light speed, got schooled and out maneuvered by Goku. It happened in plain technicolor. So if the on screen accounting by all of the characters present, plus the stated readouts from the Power Level Meters are "hyperbole", how do we really know the force of impact or speed of on panel comic characters actions when it's also not clearly depicted? How do we know how heavy those objects really are on panel or how hard another character hits?

I'm really not buying this "analysis" you guys are presenting.

No disresepect or anything, as I hope you all know.

Well you know its really funny how in spite of there comic book counterparts, every anime/movie/Tv adaptation of DC/Marvel characters powers dont seem to even come close to the scale of power we saw in the DBZ series. I mean even the low tier characters in DBZ had greater displays of speed then flash then in the entire JLU series. Hell if we just went by the TV shows....android 18 could own supes lol.

Agreed. Except Flash's blitz of Braniac/Luthor puts him well above any Z fighter feat wise. Most of the time he's well bellow the Z fighters though.

Also there's no way the fighters in Dragonball z are class 50 at least by the end. Goku pushed a hill in two when he fought kid Buu and then shattered it with the force. It seemed to be his max. It puts him in the low thousands at least. He'd get a further boost in SSJ3. I know that's filler but we're debating anime Buu here. It's safe to assume Buu's at the same level.

It doesn't matter, because that wouldn't even be a thousandth of Thanos' strength.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Um, Creshosk, it actually happened in the episode. There wasn't a speedometer on the bottom of the screen that went up to lightspeed, but each member of the Ginyu Force, and Vegeta, were wearing one of those Power Level Reading Headsets,

Originally posted by illadelph12
they all stated that Butta could move at lightspeed, and Butta, who was stated to be capable of moving at light speed, got schooled and out maneuvered by Goku.

Originally posted by illadelph12
It happened in plain technicolor. So if the on screen accounting by all of the characters present, plus the stated readouts from the Power Level Meters are "hyperbole", how do we really know the force of impact or speed of on panel comic characters actions when it's also not clearly depicted?

Originally posted by illadelph12
How do we know how heavy those objects really are on panel or how hard another character hits?

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm really not buying this "analysis" you guys are presenting.

Originally posted by illadelph12
No disresepect or anything, as I hope you all know.

I'm just a born skeptic.

Spider-Man, Quicksilver, much slower than Superman Inc. can replicate what is being touted as a lightspeed feat. Ergo it's not a lightspeed feat - and not nearly as impressive as one would want one to imagine.

Again: Walking through Gugnir.

Honestly, I think this a stalemate.

I'm somewhat leaning towards Super Buu...

He's pretty much indestructible. Plus, can't he just absorb Thanos?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
I'm somewhat leaning towards Super Buu...

He's pretty much indestructible. Plus, can't he just absorb Thanos?

There's that, too. And people are forgetting that Super Buu can transmute matter also.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
And people are forgetting that Super Buu can transmute matter also.

True. He could just turn Thanos into chocolate. 😛