Originally posted by h1a8
Firelord
Has to my knowledge never done it, therefore you still haven't even given one name let alone backed up your claim that it has been done by "many" people.
Originally posted by h1a8
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What are you talking about?
Let's discuss this okay. I start with:Can you prove a false statement is true?
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Again, you still haven't answered any of my questions/requets so why should I bother anwering your's?
Originally posted by h1a8
And Hulk's strength comes from his anger. This is his stipulation and not Superman's. Classic Samson's stipulation was the length of his hair. And Superman was sundipped when he did the Warworld thing.
And you can prove that WWH cannot repeat the feat how? Not to mention the fact that hulk has several feats in the same vein. Thunderclap, matter/anti-matter, holding planet together etc.
Superman has been seen busting planets before, without being sundipped. Where was the BFR that you touted to be a necessity for an entity of that strength when he fought Doomsday? I call double standards.
I await responses on my other points.
Originally posted by OualladaYou made a mistake. I said "necessarily utterly overpower". Do you see the utterly part? Now come again.Mangog either did overpower Thor or did not. You cannot "not necessarily" overpower someone. Mangog didn't just hold Thor against his strength did he? The latter was dominated in every single physical manner. The point is that strength or otherwise, THor was dominated in a physical battle, which of course is a culmination of strength, as well as other physical attributes. THat establishes Mangog at a level comparatively higher to Thor even on his lowest showing.
What? Your first sentence should render your posts void. Hulk has the absolute lowest base strength out of any class 100 being. He is barely class 100 at base strength.
Hulk has a stronger base strength that every earth-based character I can think of, and can reach higher levels that some of the cosmics upon amping through anger. I don't see the falsity in that statement.
And many comics displayed characters saying "impossible" when another character performed a feat or was about to. Obviously the feat isn't impossible since Hulk done it. So RR is flat out wrong.
I am perfectly aware of how matter/anti-matter react. That isn't the point. The narration, through Reed Richards, stated that matter/anti-matter should be impossible to seperate. It isn't physics that we are speaking of here, but the writer's intention to paint the feat as impossibly difficult.
PIS is more of a character doing what they are not supposed to do (and not just frequency alone). Superman has super speed and thus should be able to speed blitz (even though he has done it several times only). Galactus hardly has any strength feats so if he see him lifting a tank should we say PIS because of infrequency?
Frequency is significant, obviously, because according to you, outliers are PIS or deus ex machina if not frequently repeated under similar circumstances.
I don't know if he can enter WM (I don't know if he has a choice). But yes he can do the Godblast for the reasoning shown above along with him doing it several times already (which is enough).
I'm guessing that in every Thor battle from now on, anyone can simply claim that Thor would use his Godblast and enter WM, even though the total number of times he has done so can be counted with the fingers of a single hand?
Originally posted by OualladaHe cant prove it. He uses double standards all the time for character he imo likes.
And you can prove that WWH cannot repeat the feat how? Not to mention the fact that hulk has several feats in the same vein. Thunderclap, matter/anti-matter, holding planet together etc.Superman has been seen busting planets before, without being sundipped. Where was the BFR that you touted to be a necessity for an entity of that strength when he fought Doomsday? I call double standards.
I await responses on my other points.
Originally posted by h1a8
You made a mistake. I said "necessarily utterly overpower". Do you see the utterly part? Now come again.
Incorrect syntax. Can Superman necessarily thrash spiderman in a fight? Come again.
Originally posted by h1a8
What? Your first sentence should render your posts void. Hulk has the absolute lowest base strength out of any class 100 being. He is barely class 100 at base strength.
And many comics displayed characters saying "impossible" when another character performed a feat or was about to. Obviously the feat isn't impossible since Hulk done it. So RR is flat out wrong.
Prove it. If you mean base strength as in Banner, I concede the point.
Read that panel and then talk to me again. It is obvious that you know nothing of what you are talking about. As a tidbit, it was impossible for us to explore space two hundred years ago.
Originally posted by h1a8
PIS is more of a character doing what they are not supposed to do (and not just frequency alone). Superman has super speed and thus should be able to speed blitz (even though he has done it several times only). Galactus hardly has any strength feats so if he see him lifting a tank should we say PIS because of infrequency?
That is why CIS exists. If not, Strange would be above Shuma Gorath, and every name GL would be able to contain big bangs in every battle. The fact still remains that even without CIS, performances differ. You don't get a sprinter clocking the same times every run even though said sprinter likely works to the best of his ability each time.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know if he can enter WM (I don't know if he has a choice). But yes he can do the Godblast for the reasoning shown above along with him doing it several times already (which is enough).
By that, we would ignore the PG's lower showings and simply join hands and exclaim that it beat a fully prepped Strange handily. So, anyone with PG is at least skyfather?
Originally posted by Silent MasterThen read their fight (him vs. Thor) and you will clearly see that he easily knock the hammer away. Also its not hard to knock Thor's hammer away if you are stronger than him (you don't have to be stronger than him if you think about it). Doing so with you hand (or body part) just shows durability and not Thor overpowering strength.
Has to my knowledge never done it, therefore you still haven't even given one name let alone backed up your claim that it has been done by "many" people.
Again, you still haven't answered any of my questions/requets so why should I bother anwering your's? [/B][/QUOTE]
Proof that Beyonder can make himself stronger than Superman if he isn't already:
Beyonder has the power to make himself Superboy Prime or someone with 4x Superman strength (by using the Kurse example). Thus Beyonder becomes stronger than Superman.
Now prove that Mangog is stronger than Superman.
Originally posted by Ouallada
And you can prove that WWH cannot repeat the feat how? Not to mention the fact that hulk has several feats in the same vein. Thunderclap, matter/anti-matter, holding planet together etc.Superman has been seen busting planets before, without being sundipped. Where was the BFR that you touted to be a necessity for an entity of that strength when he fought Doomsday? I call double standards.
I await responses on my other points.
Everything Hulk has done is utterly dwarfed by the asteroid feat.
I've never seen Superman busting a planet. I would like to see though.
But anyway everyone knows that Superman has mental blocks that prevents him from unleashing his true power. Plus Byrne already confirmed that Superman's power is part psionic (similar to Gladiator but dealing more with will instead of confidence).
He is right on that feat though.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI just proved it. Look again.
I'm now waiting on you to prove that Beyonder is stronger than Superman(a request you're still avoiding) and the scan that shows Firelord slapping away Mjolnir.
Originally posted by h1a8We saw Superman out to kill WW when he was mentally controlled thus releasing these stipulations. He was amped and couldnt even destroy a WW holding back. 😬
Everything Hulk has done is utterly dwarfed by the asteroid feat.I've never seen Superman busting a planet. I would like to see though.
But anyway everyone knows that Superman has mental blocks that prevents him from unleashing his true power. Plus Byrne already confirmed that Superman's power is part psionic (similar to Gladiator but dealing more with will instead of confidence).
Originally posted by h1a8
Everything Hulk has done is utterly dwarfed by the asteroid feat.I've never seen Superman busting a planet. I would like to see though.
But anyway everyone knows that Superman has mental blocks that prevents him from unleashing his true power. Plus Byrne already confirmed that Superman's power is part psionic (similar to Gladiator but dealing more with will instead of confidence).
Thunderclap, matter/anti-matter and holding a planet together says nay.
I have already mentioned Superman's power being linked to his will and exigency. DoS was a situation of greater need than the time he towed that moon, for example. I still fail to see why he would hold back or not be amped by the exigency of the situation against doomsday.
Originally posted by OualladaAgain, Mangog didn't necessarily utterly overpower Thor.
Incorrect syntax. Can Superman necessarily thrash spiderman in a fight? Come again.
Hulk's listed as class 90 when calm. This is his base strength.Prove it. If you mean base strength as in Banner, I concede the point.
The feat is invalid. It was not impossible because it was done. Do you know what impossible means?
Read that panel and then talk to me again. It is obvious that you know nothing of what you are talking about. As a tidbit, it was impossible for us to explore space two hundred years ago.
Yeah but the sprinter's times are extremely close to each other (fractions of a second). There is a huge gap between low showing and high showing (a character's best). And CIS deals only which characters lowering themselves (jobbing) where PIS deals with characters performing outside their established abilities (by not only statistical evidence but by it lying in their established power set).
That is why CIS exists. If not, Strange would be above Shuma Gorath, and every name GL would be able to contain big bangs in every battle. The fact still remains that even without CIS, performances differ. You don't get a sprinter clocking the same times every run even though said sprinter likely works to the best of his ability each time.
You totally lost me here. I don't see your point or what you are trying to say. Strange can do things like stop time ftw. He is out of Thor's league by far.
By that, we would ignore the PG's lower showings and simply join hands and exclaim that it beat a fully prepped Strange handily. So, anyone with PG is at least skyfather?
Originally posted by Silent Master
A two handed swing with his staff can hardly be called "slapping".However, I'll be generous and accept that one, he is still a couple of examples away from his statement that "many" people have done it.
Doesn't matter anymore to me. Just considered I lied (how many is many away). But slapping Thor's hammer away is a garabe feat that any class hundred with sufficient durability should be able to do (the hammer only weighs 40lbs). Another example, a pitcher who is stronger than me can throw a baseball with all his might at me. I can easily slap the ball away (at the cost of injuring my hand). So slapping Thor's hammer away only requires durability (and not so much strength).
Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw Superman out to kill WW when he was mentally controlled thus releasing these stipulations. He was amped and couldnt even destroy a WW holding back. 😬
Actual fights hold no water. Individual feats can though.
Superman fought stupidly. He could have easily HV through her neck when he was freezing her.
