Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't matter anymore to me. Just considered I lied (how many is many away). But slapping Thor's hammer away is a garabe feat that any class hundred with sufficient durability should be able to do (the hammer only weighs 40lbs). Another example, a pitcher who is stronger than me can throw a baseball with all his might at me. I can easily slap the ball away (at the cost of injuring my hand). So slapping Thor's hammer away only requires durability (and not so much strength).
I see, you're changing your argument from "it isn't impressive because many people have done it" to "it isn't impressive because I say so".
Well, I must say that you have an interesting way of debating.
Originally posted by h1a8
Again, Mangog didn't necessarily utterly overpower Thor.
Incorrect syntax.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk's listed as class 90 when calm. This is his base strength.
The feat is invalid. It was not impossible because it was done. Do you know what impossible means?
Read what Reed said and then come back to me. Do you not understand what that means?
Originally posted by h1a8
Yeah but the sprinter's times are extremely close to each other (fractions of a second). There is a huge gap between low showing and high showing (a character's best). And CIS deals only which characters lowering themselves (jobbing) where PIS deals with characters performing outside their established abilities (by not only statistical evidence but by it lying in their established power set).
Those are still wide variances from a mean, especially when dealing with such short time frames. Multiply those franctions by millions of tons and add in external factors such as injury, and I would say it makes logical sense.
CIS deals with characters that can do something, but do not choose to due to their innate character.
Show me where Hulk has ever been shown to not possess adequate strength in a non-PIS situation. Otherwise, it's in his powerset, as evidenced by the other feats I mentioned.
Originally posted by h1a8
You totally lost me here. I don't see your point or what you are trying to say. Strange can do things like stop time ftw. He is out of Thor's league by far.
I understand your lack of comprehension, and I offer condolences.
PG > fully prepped Strange, its highest non IG feat.
Thus, any doofus with PG >= skyfather?
Originally posted by h1a8
Enough of this garbage. If there exists no proof that Mangog is stronger than Superman then why do you all believe he is stronger? Is it because he beat Thor physically. Wasn't Juggs doing that?
I have always been of the opinion that he beat thor in a physical fight, and would do the same to superman. You were the one who brought up strength.
Originally posted by h1a8Fights hold no weight? What? I cant believe some of your responses.
Actual fights hold no water. Individual feats can though.
Superman fought stupidly. He could have easily HV through her neck when he was freezing her.
Enough with the excuses. You said Superman holds back. I provided an example of him not holding back with a huge amp. He still didnt crush her and she was holding back. Enough with the he was fighting stupid bit he attacked her quickly and without mercy and couldnt beat the crap out of her. There is no defense for this.
Originally posted by h1a8
Enough of this garbage. If there exists no proof that Mangog is stronger than Superman then why do you all believe he is stronger? Is it because he beat Thor physically. Wasn't Juggs doing that?
Originally posted by Silent Master
I see, you're changing your argument from "it isn't impressive because many people have done it" to "it isn't impressive because I say so".Well, I must say that you have an interesting way of debating.
It's more like I'm changing from "it isn't impressive because many under Superman's strength have done it" to "it isn't impressive because it requires less strength than Superman to do it".
Originally posted by Ouallada
I have always been of the opinion that he beat thor in a physical fight, and would do the same to superman. You were the one who brought up strength.
ABC logic don't necessarily work.
But even if we assumed it did then Thor and Superman are not equals by any stretch of the imagination. So beating Thor in a physical doesn't mean you can beat Superman in a physical fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic don't necessarily work.
But even if we assumed it did then Thor and Superman are not equals by any stretch of the imagination. So beating Thor in a physical doesn't mean you can beat Superman in a physical fight.
At least 40% of KMC consider Thor to be Superman's equal or superior.
Don't try to pass off Superman being Thor's superior as the general consensus on KMC. Both have incredible strength and durability feats that put them above high herald.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Fights hold no weight? What? I cant believe some of your responses.Enough with the excuses. You said Superman holds back. I provided an example of him not holding back with a huge amp. He still didnt crush her and she was holding back. Enough with the he was fighting stupid bit he attacked her quickly and without mercy and couldnt beat the crap out of her. There is no defense for this.
The defense is that the fight holds no water in what will happen if these two fought in a forum fight. In a forum fight, WW would cross her bracelets and pray for the godwave. Otherwise, Superman would freeze her (slowing her down for a quick moment) and hv kill her.
Originally posted by llagrok
At least 40% of KMC consider Thor to be Superman's equal or superior.Don't try to pass off Superman being Thor's superior as the general consensus on KMC. Both have incredible strength and durability feats that put them above high herald.
Originally posted by llagrok
At least 40% of KMC consider Thor to be Superman's equal or superior.Don't try to pass off Superman being Thor's superior as the general consensus on KMC. Both have incredible strength and durability feats that put them above high herald.
I'm not. I don't care what the entire world thinks. I said what I said because it was the truth. Nothing more.
Originally posted by fangirl101
No. Thor Does not have strength or durability that puts him above high herald. Supeman does. And that is basically all he has with some minor energy powers. That is why he's just high herald. He's not versatile enough.
What other high herald has snapped adamantium by flexing his muscles, or physically set back time?
Originally posted by h1a8
It's more like I'm changing from "it isn't impressive because many [B]under Superman's strength have done it" to "it isn't impressive because it requires less strength than Superman to do it". [/B]
So anything that takes less than 100% of Superman's strength = not impressive, again; you have an interesting debate style.
Also, so far you have only listed one person(Firelord) that has knocked it anyway, BTW; in the example you gave it took a two handed swing of his staff in order accomplish which not only could easily be disregarded(without more proof) as a low/bad showing., it also doesn't come close to your original claim which was about "many" people slapping Mjolnir away.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So anything that takes less than 100% of Superman's strength = not impressive, again; you have an interesting debate style.Also, so far you have only listed one person(Firelord) that has knocked it anyway, BTW; in the example you gave it took a two handed swing of his staff in order accomplish which not only could easily be disregarded(without more proof) as a low/bad showing., it also doesn't come close to your original claim which was about "many" people slapping Mjolnir away.
I already said "Let's assumed I lied". I assumed many since I can only think of maybe 3 that in some way or form knocked Thor's hammer away after he thrown it (not necessarily slap it away). But anyway my point still stands even though we are really wasting time here. We should be either arguing who's stronger or who will win.
Originally posted by llagrok
What other high herald has snapped adamantium by flexing his muscles, or physically set back time?
How can one physically set back time? Are you serious. 😕
Secondary adamantium has been damaged many times before (even by the likes of Iron Man, Hulk, etc.).
But I see your point. Show me this scan.
Originally posted by llagrok
What other high herald has snapped adamantium by flexing his muscles, or physically set back time?
That's nice. A black hole can snap adamantium. And Superman pulled himself free of a double black hole. He also pushed back a dimension crashing anomly and saved the omniverse. Thor isn't as strong as superman or as durable. He is vastly more versatile. Hence why they both get nearly equal status.