Originally posted by h1a8
I already said "Let's assumed I lied". I assumed many since I can only think of maybe 3 that in some way or form knocked Thor's hammer away after he thrown it (not necessarily slap it away). But anyway my point still stands even though we are really wasting time here. We should be either arguing who's stronger or who will win.
How does you're point still stand, seeing as your point at first was that it wasn't impressive because many people have done it and then you changed it it's not impressive because it takes less than 100% of Superman's strength to do so.
So far you have only listed Firelord which is one example which means it could be argued that him being able to do it was a low showing, the argument could also be made that he wasn't weaker than Superman when he did it since heralds can amp their strength so there is no way of telling just how strong he was when he did it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
How does you're point still stand, seeing as your point at first was that it wasn't impressive because many people have done it and then you changed it it's not impressive because it takes less than 100% of Superman's strength to do so.So far you have only listed Firelord which is one example which means it could be argued that him being able to do it was a low showing, the argument could also be made that he wasn't weaker than Superman when he did it since heralds can amp their strength so there is no way of telling just how strong he was when he did it.
These characters aren't real. It is not like he could have probably amped or something when he never existed. The truth only lies with the writer. And it is common sense that the writer wasn't thinking Firelord amped to do that. If you ask anyone here they would say that feat is useless in proving someone is stronger than Superman. So let's drop this okay.
Using that logic, the writer might also of been of the opinion that Firelord was as strong/stronger than Thor, also for all we know he might think the same regarding Thor and Superman's strength. so basically you just invalidated your only example as to why stopping Mjolnir doesn't prove Mangog is stronger than Superman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Using that logic, the writer might also of been of the opinion that Firelord was as strong/stronger than Thor, also for all we know he might think the same regarding Thor and Superman's strength. so basically you just invalidated your only example as to why stopping Mjolnir doesn't prove Mangog is stronger than Superman.
So are you saying that being able to slap Mjolnir away means that you are stronger than Superman?
I'm saying that you were claiming slapping it away wasn't proof that Mangog was stronger, the reason you gave was because many people under Superman's strength level had done it, when you were unable to name these "many" people you changed your argument to it wasn't impressive because it could be done by someone weaker than Superman and listed Firelord as an example.
However with your previous post you basically invalidated your own example, which leaves you at needing to back up your claim that being strong enough to slap Mjolnir away doesn't prove above Superman level strength.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm saying that you were claiming slapping it away wasn't proof that Mangog was stronger, the reason you gave was because many people under Superman's strength level had done it, when you were unable to name these "many" people you changed your argument to it wasn't impressive because it could be done by someone weaker than Superman and listed Firelord as an example.However with your previous post you basically invalidated your own example, which leaves you at needing to back up your claim that being strong enough to slap Mjolnir away doesn't prove above Superman level strength.
Who cares what I say?
Are you saying that being able to slap Mjolnir away means that you are stronger than Superman?
How can slapping Mjlonir away be definitive strength feat? Aren't there better examples?
A person weaker, or on the same strength level can slap a weapon away from you, especially if you didn't anticipate such a maneuver. When martial art students get taught how to dispossess an assailant of their weapon, strength isn't much of a factor in the process - just technique and timing.
Let's try this again
still, there is context to characters beyond the respect thread.
for instance mangog is the sum total of a race of beings that were invading asgard and were close to victory, until odin banished them entirely.
that race's anger at the humiliation created a plan; combine into one all powerful being that could break the banishment and exact it's revenge on asgard/odin.
mangog didn't just win his fights, he dominated his opponents including thor who after SEVERAL meetings finally had the ingenuity to attack mangog's insides for A WIN. only the recent acquisition of his father's power was able to get rid of mangog...but magical creatures tent to make comebacks, he may return.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm saying that you need either back your claim up or withdraw it.
I didn't claim anything. I was merely rebutting someone else's argument. They were the one who implied that since Mangog slapped Mjolnir away then he is stronger than Superman. This doesn't prove that.
If you think my explanation of why it's false is invalid then I withdraw it.
But it being invalid (my explanation) doesn't make their statement true.
So now that I've withdrawn it.
Does slapping Mjolnir away prove that Mangog is stronger than Superman?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Let's try this again
Superman is stronger than trillions and trillions of people. So?
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't claim anything. I was merely rebutting someone else's argument. They were the one who implied that since Mangog slapped Mjolnir away then he is stronger than Superman. This doesn't prove that.If you think my explanation of why it's false is invalid then I withdraw it.
But it being invalid (my explanation) doesn't make their statement true.So now that I've withdrawn it.
Does slapping Mjolnir away prove that Mangog is stronger than Superman?
Actually you "rebutted" their point by stating
Originally posted by h1a8
Mangog slapping the hammer away is garbage. Many other characters under (or around) Superman's strength have done that.
IOW, you did claim that slapping away the hammer takes less than Superman level strength, but since you were kind enough to withdraw that claim.....I don't think it conclusively proves anything by itself, however I’d say it’s extremely unlikely that Superman would be able to replicate the feat with the same ease.