Originally posted by gogogadgetgoWhat was clearly indicated? Character's words hold no weight when they contradict other evidence.
key word is "could have only been 100tons"but its not, its clearly indicated as infinitely increased...
never retconed and is therefore canon
No he didn't. Telling by the indentations in the ground I would say 1000 tons tops.
like it or not, thor lifted or exerted infinite force and stood up against his infinitely increased weight!
It was natural ground Thor was on, and natural ground cannot hold more than 1000 tons withing the small surface area of a humanoid the size of Thor.
and why would the ground only support 1000 tons? did it say so in the comic? nope, did the writer say so? nope..hence, it can support infinite weight as show in the scan so buhuhu for you!😆
^ Other than throwing around bald statements, you haven't supported such extreme statements in the slightest.
Originally posted by h1a8Considering that Korg states that the machines are able to nullify the gravitational pull of planets, then the stated capabilities far exceed your estimations. And there isn't any reason to doubt the credibility of his statements.
What was clearly indicated? Character's words hold no weight when they contradict other evidence.No he didn't. Telling by the indentations in the ground I would say 1000 tons tops.
It was natural ground Thor was on, and natural ground cannot hold more than 1000 tons withing the small surface area of a humanoid the size of Thor.
Characters have lifted far more than 1000 tons in comics without sinking into natural ground deeper than Thor did there. This is fairly evident; sometimes comics make an effort to reflect real world physics, most other times... not so much.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Nullifying gravity isn't the same as increasing gravity the same level. I still don't believe in character's statements when they are contradictory (infinite weight).
^ Other than throwing around bald statements, you haven't supported such extreme statements in the slightest.Considering that Korg states that the machines are able to nullify the gravitational pull of planets, then the stated capabilities far exceed your estimations. And there isn't any reason to doubt the credibility of his statements.
Great point! You are right. But at least we know it wasn't anywhere near infinite weight as Thor would have sunk immediately. I would take this feat as unquantifiable. It could have been 1000 tons or more. We don't know.
Characters have lifted far more than 1000 tons in comics without sinking into natural ground deeper than Thor did there. This is fairly evident; sometimes comics make an effort to reflect real world physics, most other times... not so much.
Originally posted by h1a8
Nullifying gravity isn't the same as increasing gravity the same level. I still don't believe in character's statements when they are contradictory (infinite weight).
Great point! You are right. But at least we know it wasn't anywhere near infinite weight as Thor would have sunk immediately. I would take this feat as unquantifiable. It could have been 1000 tons or more. We don't know.
course we do, its clearly indicated in the scan
"infinitely increased weight"
hence, infinite weight 😛 what's so hard to understand about that? you just chose not to believe coz you don't like it. a classic display of bias and fanboyism.
not to mention, you suck at debating, you just cough out post that contains no substance nor proof. if you don't think its true, then post something that can actually contradict the scan's contents. provide proof! if you can't then the scan stands, thor lifted infinite weight as stated in the scan! thor is so strong that he can lift infinite weight as shown in the scan!
what you need is some reading comprehension skills 😆 as it is clearly shown in the scan that the device can increase gravity as it can nullify gravity. read it again, and again. i advice for you to read it about 500 times more so that you can understand the content of the scan.
and if you don't like what you read, you probably need a hobby more suitable to your comprehension capacity, say reading the ugly duckling and goldilocks and the three bears 😆
Originally posted by h1a8
What was clearly indicated? Character's words hold no weight when they contradict other evidence.
No he didn't. Telling by the indentations in the ground I would say 1000 tons tops.
It was natural ground Thor was on, and natural ground cannot hold more than 1000 tons withing the small surface area of a humanoid the size of Thor.
speaking about ground, you do know that the density of ground varies?
this depends on the composition such as the type of rocks and minerals available or present on the ground and in its under ground rock layers?
some grounds are less dense than others for example agricultural land as it is comprised mostly of soil and clay? while there are more dense ground such as those found in rocky regions as it is comprised mostly of rocks?
then there's the sandy ground such as those found near beaches or around beaches.
there's a reason why ground is tested before structures are erected. the ground may be soft and can't support concrete structures, so it is re enforced and compressed to enable it to support larger weights.
but there are instances when no further re-enforcement or compression is necessary.
by your logic, all re-enforced concrete polls, large trees, hell, even sky scrapers should sink as the ground it occupies is far smaller compared it its overall weight and mass.
before you try acting smart be sure to check your facts and make sure your actually right and know what your talking about or a smart ass jack ass such as myself may just call you to your bluff of acting smart and make you look like the village idiot.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
course we do, its clearly indicated in the scan"infinitely increased weight"
hence, infinite weight 😛 what's so hard to understand about that? you just chose not to believe coz you don't like it. a classic display of bias and fanboyism.
not to mention, you suck at debating, you just cough out post that contains no substance nor proof. if you don't think its true, then post something that can actually contradict the scan's contents. provide proof! if you can't then the scan stands, thor lifted infinite weight as stated in the scan! thor is so strong that he can lift infinite weight as shown in the scan!
what you need is some reading comprehension skills 😆 as it is clearly shown in the scan that the device can increase gravity as it can nullify gravity. read it again, and again. i advice for you to read it about 500 times more so that you can understand the content of the scan.
and if you don't like what you read, you probably need a hobby more suitable to your comprehension capacity, say reading the ugly duckling and goldilocks and the three bears 😆
First of all you would have a small point if it was the narrator instead that said "infinite increased weight" but since character's have been known to tell untruths in comics from the very beginning then their word isn't the necessary truth.
Character's words are nothing but mere lies if they contradict the truth. There is no rule that says everything a character say must be true. Otherwise, Sentry can stalemate Galactus.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
speaking about ground, you do know that the density of ground varies?this depends on the composition such as the type of rocks and minerals available or present on the ground and in its under ground rock layers?
some grounds are less dense than others for example agricultural land as it is comprised mostly of soil and clay? while there are more dense ground such as those found in rocky regions as it is comprised mostly of rocks?
then there's the sandy ground such as those found near beaches or around beaches.
there's a reason why ground is tested before structures are erected. the ground may be soft and can't support concrete structures, so it is re enforced and compressed to enable it to support larger weights.
but there are instances when no further re-enforcement or compression is necessary.by your logic, all re-enforced concrete polls, large trees, hell, even sky scrapers should sink as the ground it occupies is far smaller compared it its overall weight and mass.
before you try acting smart be sure to check your facts and make sure your actually right and know what your talking about or a smart ass jack ass such as myself may just call you to your bluff of acting smart and make you look like the village idiot.
No skyscrapers have much larger bases and therefore are emitting a smaller pressure than say something only human sized emitting the same force. Also it is clear that the ground Thor was on was rocky and sandy. Even if it was very hard, nothing, not even adamantium, can withstand infinite weight.
But someone else used a better argument than you and I agreed. They said that in comics beings are seen lifting more than 1000 tons in one spot. So given that, we can throw real world physics out to a large extent. Just not to the extent that Thor had infinite weight.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ who says the ground wasn't super-compacted to a higher density by the same gravitational force? amirite
The beam was localized so the top portion of the ground should have exposed and also sunk in. But since Thor and the asgardians were doing the sinking and not the ground then the beam was aim directly at them.
This is moot anyway as no pure physical thing, no matter how compact it is, can withstand infinite weight.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210If there are forces to prevent it then it can. WW's lasso and Superman's aura can protect things.
I can't believe you're arguing that "using real life logic" infinite weight cannot be sustained by the ground but cannot seem to see that a planet cannot be pulled without catastrophic events happening on the surface.
Even if we accept the ridiculousness that a natural ground in comics can support an infinite weight and that Thor stood up against infinite weight then this would imply that both Thor has infinite strength and that no one is stronger. But since we know of some beings who are stronger then we reach a contradiction. And thus Thor wasn't lifting against infinite force.
Originally posted by h1a8Ok. I wrongly assumed that you took Superman's and Captain Marvel's feat of lifting "infinite pages" during Final Crisis at face value. I now know that you don't. I must have been confusing you with other posters. My bads.
Nullifying gravity isn't the same as increasing gravity the same level. I still don't believe in character's statements when they are contradictory (infinite weight).Great point! You are right. But at least we know it wasn't anywhere near infinite weight as Thor would have sunk immediately. I would take this feat as unquantifiable. It could have been 1000 tons or more. We don't know.
Well, in either case, to the extent you think you should quantify it, your comment of 1,000 tons is a bit of low-balling, no?
Originally posted by h1a8
No skyscrapers have much larger bases and therefore are emitting a smaller pressure than say something only human sized emitting the same force. Also it is clear that the ground Thor was on was rocky and sandy. Even if it was very hard, nothing, not even adamantium, can withstand infinite weight.But someone else used a better argument than you and I agreed. They said that in comics beings are seen lifting more than 1000 tons in one spot. So given that, we can throw real world physics out to a large extent. Just not to the extent that Thor had infinite weight.
nah! your just making excuses, i already pointed out that the skyscrapers base is significantly smaller than its total mass and weight.
by the way, your the only one here trying to use real world physics in comics. i just imitated your attempt to show how stupid it is to try and use real world physics in comics.
and here you admit that all your previous computations have no substance. nice to see your being a man about it
Originally posted by h1a8
If there are forces to prevent it then it can. WW's lasso and Superman's aura can protect things.Even if we accept the ridiculousness that a natural ground in comics can support an infinite weight and that Thor stood up against infinite weight then this would imply that both Thor has infinite strength and that no one is stronger. But since we know of some beings who are stronger then we reach a contradiction. And thus Thor wasn't lifting against infinite force.
did it say that wounder womans laso and superman's aura was protecting things? nah uh it didn't! provide proof that the lasso and superman's aura was protecting things. betcha you can't 😆
nah! thor has infinite strength! accept it! 😆 theres just different levels of infinite strength, same thing with the cosmic cube, ig and lt. they have different level's of infinite power. 😛
gotta love comic logic!