Superman vs Mangog

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ In which case, you're assuming your conclusion and assuming Green Lanterns would do nothing to negate the effects of the Sun's gravitational pull on the Earth, despite the versatility of their rings, to fit your narrow measured preconception that they are all equally providing 1/3rd of the pull.

The figure of 54 Earths didn't have the Sun's gravitational pull figured into it. I neglected that force. Thus if we figure the Sun's gravitational pull into it then it would be much higher than 54 Earths.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo

if people wanna use such assumptions as proof then i present you with this

thor being subjected to infinite gravity and still managing to stand up

so F=ma

and thor's m= 640lbs = 290kg or so base on OHOMU

and a=infinite kg/s^2

f=290kg x infinite kg/s^2

then the force being exerted by thor to stand up = infinite

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It could have only been 1000 tons of force bearing on Thor since he didn't even sink completely in the ground. For such a small surface area (the size of Thor) the ground can only support only in the thousands of tons at most.

Thus f=1000.3 tons LOL

I love Thor but that feat along with that Superman feat (infinite pages) should not be used as a strength feat; its stupid.

Originally posted by carver9
I love Thor but that feat along with that Superman feat (infinite pages) should not be used as a strength feat; its stupid.

it's not stupid. it's unquantifiable.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's not stupid. it's unquantifiable.

It shouldnt be used as a strength feat bc honestly, both isnt one.

Originally posted by carver9
It shouldnt be used as a strength feat bc honestly, both isnt one.

they are strength feats. unquantifiable ones, but strength feats nonetheless.

Originally posted by -Pr-
they are strength feats. unquantifiable ones, but strength feats nonetheless.

I'm not going to argue with you about that bc you could be right, I just see both feats as something completely different. Neither Supes nor thor should be lifting infinite weights; thats crazy. I just think you are reading a little to much in that comic but again, I could be wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not going to argue with you about that bc you could be right, I just see both feats as something completely different. Neither Supes nor thor should be lifting infinite weights; thats crazy. I just think you are reading a little to much in that comic but again, I could be wrong.

how could i be reading too much in to it? it says it's of infinite weight. they lift it.

yes, i think it's silly, but it's there on panel and in no way contradicts the characters themselves.

Originally posted by -Pr-
how could i be reading too much in to it? it says it's of infinite weight. they lift it.

yes, i think it's silly, but it's there on panel and in no way contradicts the characters themselves.

Its a huge contradiction to me because if thor could lift infinite weights then he should cake walk through thanos.

If superman could lift infinite weights he should have had any types of problems with Superboy OR Superman prime.

Originally posted by carver9
Its a huge contradiction to me because if thor could lift infinite weights then he should cake walk through thanos.

If superman could lift infinite weights he should have had any types of problems with Superboy OR Superman prime.

lifting feats are far different from punching ones. lifting counts durability as much as it does strength.

punching isn't the same.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lifting feats are far different from punching ones. lifting counts durability as much as it does strength.

punching isn't the same.

Good point but lifting feats should also tell whos stronger. If one person can lift something that the other person couldnt lift then the other person that lifted it should be stronger and should be able to pack more of a whallop with there punches.

Mangog wins, in a straight up physical battle. Superman, like Thor, would have to pull out some other tricks to win.

Originally posted by carver9
Good point but lifting feats should also tell whos stronger. If one person can lift something that the other person couldnt lift then the other person that lifted it should be stronger and should be able to pack more of a whallop with there punches.

yes, that's true. which is why i'm sure that given the opportunity, someone like prime could do the same feat as superman.

unless willpower is going to be a factor, in which case, prime sucks.

Originally posted by h1a8
Infinite gravity my arse. I don't believe in what character's say. Also that feat is unquantifiable. Superman has unquantifiable feats too.

It could have only been 1000 tons of force bearing on Thor since he didn't even sink completely in the ground. For such a small surface area (the size of Thor) the ground can only support only in the thousands of tons at most.

Thus f=1000.3 tons LOL

key word is "could have only been 100tons"

but its not, its clearly indicated as infinitely increased...
never retconed and is therefore canon

like it or not, thor lifted or exerted infinite force and stood up against his infinitely increased weight!

and why would the ground only support 1000 tons? did it say so in the comic? nope, did the writer say so? nope..hence, it can support infinite weight as show in the scan so buhuhu for you!

😆

Originally posted by carver9
Its a huge contradiction to me because if thor could lift infinite weights then he should cake walk through thanos.

If superman could lift infinite weights he should have had any types of problems with Superboy OR Superman prime.

the problem with your cake walk theory is that who said that thanos can't also do what thor did and maybe even more?

and who said superboy prim cant do what superman did? did they try? nope, did the writers say they cant? nope..is there any indication that they could?

if you count the fact that thanos and superboy prime both beat the crap out of thor and superman respectively, it can be argued that they are both stronger than thor and superman hence they could probably have the potential to do what thor and superman did

Originally posted by carver9
Good point but lifting feats should also tell whos stronger. If one person can lift something that the other person couldnt lift then the other person that lifted it should be stronger and should be able to pack more of a whallop with there punches.

lifting feats could tell who is stronger but not necessarily who could punch or hit harder

to give an example
x can lift 100 tons max
y can lift 95 tons max

so x is stronger than y

but x is just a slugger and only relies on his upper body strength to throw a punch.

y is a trained fighter and uses his upperbody strength as well as his lower body for leverage to increase the strength of his punch.

because of y's technique, he can effectively hit harder than x even though he is lightly weaker than x.

basic martial arts knowledge..now you know why batman can take on and KO characters who are stronger than him

Originally posted by carver9
I love Thor but that feat along with that Superman feat (infinite pages) should not be used as a strength feat; its stupid.

they are both ridiculous but they are both strength feats none the less. very un quantifiable feats.

and yes i agree with you, these feats are kinda stupid

i only brought it up due to h1a8's insistence on using real world logic on comic books.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
lifting feats could tell who is stronger but not necessarily who could punch or hit harder

to give an example
x can lift 100 tons max
y can lift 95 tons max

so x is stronger than y

but x is just a slugger and only relies on his upper body strength to throw a punch.

y is a trained fighter and uses his upperbody strength as well as his lower body for leverage to increase the strength of his punch.

because of y's technique, he can effectively hit harder than x even though he is lightly weaker than x.

basic martial arts knowledge..now you know why batman can take on and KO characters who are stronger than him

Originally posted by psycho gundam
shouldn't work on grundy though.

then thats where the bat aura probably comes in

Striking power involves more than just how much you can lift. If you want to get all 'real world physics' then Superman should by all accounts punch thousands of times harder than somebody like Thor/Hulk ever could, considering his speed. And I'm sure nobody wants to go there. (except me, that is)

Also, I can't actually believe people are comparing the Thor instance with the Superman one. Oh, who am I kidding, based on what I've seen on some Thor threads that's not surprising in the least. 🙂