Originally posted by h1a8
They are not projectiles! Understand the definition of Projectile in PHYSICS.Even if I'm wrong then what you are saying is a waste of time for it is moot. googoo dude is claiming that Lobo being hit into space is just like a rocket with thrusters flying to space. Which is clearly false.
umm...rockets are projectiles. ever heard of rocket assisted projectiles? once thrust runs out , behold...a projectile
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and no, i didn't claim lobo being hit by superman into space is like a rocket
what i said was, your computation of the millions of tons is the force delivered by superman's punch, which upon impact with lobo would transfer the force to him hence sending him into space.
while i just showed the force needed for mass of 1600lbs to reach escape velocity given time= 1 second
even a nitwit would see that i was computing thrust.
your just mad that with some simple physics equations i disproved your million and billion and trillions of tons of force claim needed to send an object of mass 1600lb into space. (disregarding air resistance of course)
and having a minor in physics doesn't make you an authority on the subject as i have easily show 😎
Originally posted by psycho gundam
then he is incorrect, i'm not in what i said though, and i'm surprised you are questioning it.missiles are the pinnacle design of projectiles in our world, and they are just an extension of the original projectile; a thrown object (rock, stick, etc)
no i'm not. not once did i say that lobo once hit by superman is like a rocket.
what i said was h1's computation is superman's punching force. nice of him to put words into my mouth.
and yeah, rockets are projectiles and lastly, i didn't know having a minor in physics would make you the supreme authority in physics in KMC..too bad all i have is a degree in engineering...poor me...i'm so stoooopid 😛
Originally posted by h1a8
MA is the minimum force that is needed to accelerate anything with Mass. MA is a definition.
I KNOW that. Thing is, the GL ring/Lasso may/can affect any and all variables in this equation w/c makes the whole thing unreliable. We don't know w/c one nor do we know for sure if it even did or if it affected everything.
You and I can't prove either one of our arguments thru exact data, but that simply makes this evidence and numbers you've presented unreliable and, thus, inadmissible.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is clear that he was pulling against Starbreaker too. I don't know how you come to that conclusion.What proves he was pulling against the inertia of the Earth and Starbreaker's force solo is his comment.
He never mentions Earth, for all we know, the GL ring negated Earth's inertia or w/e force there was in play. All we know for sure is that he mentioned Starbreaker. Prove otherwise.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoAnd for those who haven't read it, that arc with Thanos probably contains some of Mangog's more impressive feats too.
here's issue 250http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1110/thor25001.jpg
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http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9643/thor25017.jpgok, so that's most of mangog's appearances. all that's left is the arc with the thanos clone i think.
Originally posted by JuntaiSome events have been subsequently referenced. But not all of them. Consider that after Infinite Crisis, Alexander Luthor mentions that some things have changed, like Wonder Woman having been an original founding member of the JLA, etc. Specific references suggest that specific things were reintroduced, rather than everything as a whole.
Untrue. Superman mentioned not having seen the Legion since before Crisis on Infinite Earths. Making the pre-crisis stories with he and them valid.Also, Batman mentioned a pre-crisis JLA adventure/mini with the JLA fighting Mordru, iirc. I believe a blurb even told us the issue.
Clearly those events exist, and happened.
Furthermore, for those events that have been subsequently referenced, especially in modern retellings, the way things happened may be quite different from the way it happened pre-Crisis. I can think of a dozen instances but your mentioning of Superboy and the Legion is quite apropos. Because here, Superboy's adventures with the Legion, while being reintroduced, are actually being retconned by Superman: Secret Origin.
I don't think anybody here is suggesting that the reintroduced/retconned history of Superboy being told right now in Superman: Secret Origin should be thrown out because its technical chronological placement occurs before the original Crisis. Simply put, it's becoming canon history right now and we all likely agree it's valid. But IMHO taking that premise two steps farther and suggesting that all pre-Crisis stories are valid is just counter-intuitive.
Originally posted by psycho gundamYou are not right sorry to say. If you have a physics book you will see. Also look here:
then he is incorrect, i'm not in what i said though, and i'm surprised you are questioning it.missiles are the pinnacle design of projectiles in our world, and they are just an extension of the original projectile; a thrown object (rock, stick, etc)
Originally posted by gogogadgetgohttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/projectile
umm...rockets are projectiles. ever heard of rocket assisted projectiles? once thrust runs out , behold...a projectile
😱and no, i didn't claim lobo being hit by superman into space is like a rocket
what i said was, your computation of the millions of tons is the force delivered by superman's punch, which upon impact with lobo would transfer the force to him hence sending him into space.
while i just showed the force needed for mass of 1600lbs to reach escape velocity given time= 1 second
even a nitwit would see that i was computing thrust.
your just mad that with some simple physics equations i disproved your million and billion and trillions of tons of force claim needed to send an object of mass 1600lb into space. (disregarding air resistance of course)
and having a minor in physics doesn't make you an authority on the subject as i have easily show 😎
How can lobo reach escape velocity in 1 sec (or any amount of time) after he was hit? The sad thing is that you don't see the ridiculousness of that.
I'll try harder okay. The instant an object is sent flying it will cease to accelerate. That means that the object is only accelerating while contact is being made to it. After the contact is released then the object will have constant velocity (assuming no wind resistance or variable gravity). Thus Lobo would have obtained escape velocity while he was still in contact with Superman's fist and not after.
If he obtains escape velocity only after the punch then that would mean that Lobo's speed was increasing as he's flying up through the air (accelerating).
The other sad thing is that Psycho dude knows your mistake but refuses to help me out here.
Originally posted by h1a8facepalm see: definition # 2.
You are not right sorry to say. If you have a physics book you will see. Also look here:
Originally posted by h1a8
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/projectileHow can lobo reach escape velocity in 1 sec (or any amount of time) [b]after
he was hit? The sad thing is that you don't see the ridiculousness of that.I'll try harder okay. The instant an object is sent flying it will cease to accelerate. That means that the object is only accelerating while contact is being made to it. After the contact is released then the object will have constant velocity (assuming no wind resistance or variable gravity). Thus Lobo would have obtained escape velocity while he was still in contact with Superman's fist and not after.
If he obtains escape velocity only after the punch then that would mean that Lobo's speed was increasing as he's flying up through the air (accelerating).
The other sad thing is that Psycho dude knows your mistake but refuses to help me out here. [/B]
because your blind as a bat and have reading comprehension issues
i said it before and i'll say it again, my computation is for a 1600lb object to reach escape velocity given that it is speeding up, meaning it has positive acceleration. for example ROCKETS!!!
rockets escapes earth's gravity and reaches escape velocity through thrust which increases its velocity thus having positive acceleration.
ROCKETS MAN! ROCKETS!!!
ROCKETS CAN AND HAVE ESCAPED EARTHS VELOCITY!!! what's so hard to understand about that?!!
projectiles, as you describe IS NOT THE ONLY WAY to propel something into space there is as already mentioned so many times ROCKETS WITH THRUST
hell, even jet planes have thrust...
by the way, you just WTF pawned yourself...
from the site you posted
definition of projectile
1. A fired, thrown, or otherwise propelled object, such as a bullet, having no capacity for self-propulsion.
2. A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket.
repeat no 2. but in all caps
2. A SELF PROPELLED MISSILE, SUCH AS A ROCKET.
repeat one more time just to make sure it sinks in
2. A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket.
and one more time for good measures
2. A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket.
self ownage at its best
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The one main thing I see as a problem to all these equations is that noone has really brought into consideration, far as I can tell, the total distance traveled over time. The work involved in achieving that total distance that lobo travelled over time would tell us the total force with which he was hit...
However
1. We don't know the distance and time and any "assumptions" can give radically different answers
2. We don't know the exact height vs sea level they are at which changes the approximate gravametric force.
3. And a rocket when Fired has a tremendous mass... The majority of it being rocket fuel... Once it's canisters are empty it discards the excess weight to help maintain it's rate of motion...
4. Someones lifting weight still ha not been correlated with their punching strength....ie iron fist cannot lift much but can probably hit with enough force to drop a train. What is the direct correlation between punching strength and lifting if any.
Originally posted by rotiart
The one main thing I see as a problem to all these equations is that noone has really brought into consideration, far as I can tell, the total distance traveled over time. The work involved in achieving that total distance that lobo travelled over time would tell us the total force with which he was hit...However
1. We don't know the distance and time and any "assumptions" can give radically different answers
2. We don't know the exact height vs sea level they are at which changes the approximate gravametric force.
3. And a rocket when Fired has a tremendous mass... The majority of it being rocket fuel... Once it's canisters are empty it discards the excess weight to help maintain it's rate of motion...
4. Someones lifting weight still ha not been correlated with their punching strength....ie iron fist cannot lift much but can probably hit with enough force to drop a train. What is the direct correlation between punching strength and lifting if any.
1. yep, already said all my assumptions are just that, values pulled out of my ars 😆 h1 on the other hand...thinks his is the definitive must be accepted truth on the basis that he has a physics text book and a minor in physics 😑
2. assume see level, why? dunno 😛
3. no need to overly complicate things. your just gonna make your head hurrt 😂
4. f=ma? its all in the textbook dude, but if you aint got a minor in physics like h1, theen your doooooommmeeeedddd 😮💨
Originally posted by psycho gundam
facepalm see: definition # 2.
I'm referring to the 1st definition. The one used in physics. You know uhm "The study of projectile motion". It is common sense that we go on the only one that is relevant here.
And why don't you help your boy googo out with his misunderstanding of projectile motion. What, marvel fans stick together?
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoOk!
because your blind as a bat and have reading comprehension issuesi said it before and i'll say it again, my computation is for a 1600lb object to reach escape velocity given that it is speeding up, meaning it has positive acceleration. for example ROCKETS!!!
rockets escapes earth's gravity and reaches escape velocity through thrust which increases its velocity thus having positive acceleration.
ROCKETS MAN! ROCKETS!!!
ROCKETS CAN AND HAVE ESCAPED EARTHS VELOCITY!!! what's so hard to understand about that?!!
projectiles, as you describe IS NOT THE ONLY WAY to propel something into space there is as already mentioned so many times ROCKETS WITH THRUST
hell, even jet planes have thrust...
by the way, you just WTF pawned yourself...
from the site you posted
definition of projectile
1. A fired, thrown, or otherwise propelled object, such as a bullet, having no capacity for self-propulsion.
2. A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket.repeat no 2. but in all caps
2. A SELF PROPELLED MISSILE, SUCH AS A ROCKET.
repeat one more time just to make sure it sinks in
2. A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket.
and one more time for good measures
2. A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket.
self ownage at its best
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