Originally posted by IgnizMangog was motionless for more than 10 seconds. That is a ko dude.
Again!Your example of a one shot is horrible compared to the example I showed of what an actual one shot is 🙄BTW there is no indication Mangog was knocked out for 10 seconds.Your post is at best, is nothing more than speculation.
Originally posted by h1a8Stop throwing it in my face that you didn't read it.
Haven't read it or not is irrelevant. All that matters is the truth of things. This isn't a court case.If you disagree with what I said then argue against it (whether I read the medium or not). Everyone here at one point or another has used scans as proof without actually reading the comic. We don't post entire comics as a norm here when we are trying to show evidence. We post the specific feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
Mangog was motionless for more than 10 seconds. That is a ko dude.
What's your evidence to suggest it was 10 seconds?Mangog at least didn't get his carcass dragged/carried the way Orion did to a one shotted Superman 😄 As a plus, Mangog waked up on his own and started kicking ass compared to the scene were Orion had to wake up Superman 😛
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElYou think DnA based that Superman on Bryne's Superman?
So, this is byrne ere superman vs mangog?
Pis would be a much more viable reason than "well, it happened when he should have been weaker, so therefore he must have been!"
Guess it's just the reverse Wolverine theory of it that bothers me. ****ing Wolverine.
Originally posted by IgnizSuperman could have been dead for all I care. A weaker version getting hit and koed with the AF is not a low showing at all.
What's your evidence to suggest it was 10 seconds?Mangog at least didn't get his carcass dragged/carried the way Orion did to a one shotted Superman 😄 As a plus, Mangog waked up on his own and started kicking ass compared to the scene were Orion had to wake up Superman 😛
If you get a stopwatch and start it right after the next panel (the one after Thor is seen hitting Mangog) and read the conversion at normal speed then you would see that Mangog was out for MORE THAN 10 seconds.
Originally posted by h1a8
I already gave them.
If you look at the other instances of Mangog you will see that he winces in pain from multiples strikes of herald level beings.
That means he can be hurt by them.Thor flew into him (gaining momentum) which strikes harder than any pure swing.
Also the hit knocked the wind out of him. So it's where Thor hit him as well.
Examples of him taking multiple shots without being ko'd doesn't prove that being "one-shot" is his average, in fact it would prove that the "one-shot" is a low showing.
So, start posting feats from prove the "one-shot' is actually Mangog's average.
Originally posted by Silent MasterSo in boxing if a one shot occurs then it is a low showing and thus can't happen (but it did).
Examples of him taking multiple shots without being ko'd doesn't prove that being "one-shot" is his average, in fact it would prove that the "one-shot" is a low showing.So, start posting feats from prove the "one-shot' is actually Mangog's average.
1. It is where Thor hit Mangog (he knocked the wind out of him)
2. It is how Thor hit him (he hit Mangog with far more force than any hit that Mangog received in the whole comic)
Those two things make it different than normal hits where he didn't koed. Even with those lesser hits Mangog still winced in pain thus proving it is not outside the suspension of disbelief.
Now you would have a point if Thor hit him the same way and in the same location as the other instances.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So, this is byrne era superman vs mangog?Or a weaker superman vs mangog and that is why the scan is showed?
Not really.The reason I posted the scan was to show an actual example of what a one shot is.h1a8 is trying to pass up the Thor ramming Mangog scene in Thunderstrike as an actual one shot isn't really a good example.Even worse, he's trying to say Mangog was knocked out for 10 seconds.That is speculation at best.Again, I could have used the Thor lightning bolt one shotting Hulk scene.but that would be rude since Hulk has nothing to do with this thread.And since h1a8 breaths Superman, I just used the scene so he would understand what an actual one shot is 😎
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElHonestly, it just irks me. Past story flashbacks just seem to promote cherry picking to me.
Mmm, the scan showed is a story printed AFTER the power ups, but narrated before those power ups. IIRC.Am I missing something?
Im getting interested on this debate actually. I will help me learn about mangog.
Writer's intent is to write Superman. I doubt many if any account for a weakened one. That goes for many characters in comics.
It just seems more viable to claim pis and move on to me. A powerful Superman or any character is a powerful character at any time, and that's because of the writer, not the timeframe.
For example, OWAW Superman is regarded as tops on the forum, when in comics, he was weaker, possibly much than he was before Flashpoint. But that never gets brought up since OWAW Superman again, is regarded as the most powerful. Which is due to the writing itself, not the timeframe.
But I digress. I'll be doing the same thing with Surfer from now on
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Honestly, it just irks me. Past stories just seem to promote cherry picking to me.Writer's intent is to write Superman. I doubt many if any account for a weakened one. That goes for many characters in comics.
It just seems more viable to claim pis and move on to me. A powerful Superman or any character is a powerful character at any time, and that's because of the writer, not the timeframe.
For example, OWAW Superman is regarded as tops on the forum, when in comics, he was weaker, possibly much than he was before Flashpoint. But that never gets brought up since OWAW Superman again, is regarded as the most powerful. Which is due to the writing itself, not the timeframe.
But I digress. I'll be doing the same thing with Surfer.
Byrne's purpose was to write Superman vastly weaker than PC levels. He had him not so invincible. Nukes could even tax or ko Superman at the time.
After Byrne other writers wanted to increase Superman's power since it seemed unnatural for Superman to be that weak. So in a way Byrne was purposely writing a very weak Superman.
Originally posted by Igniz
Not really.The reason I posted the scan was to show an actual example of what a one shot is.h1a8 is trying to pass up the Thor ramming Mangog scene in Thunderstrike as an actual one shot isn't really a good example.Even worse, he's trying to say Mangog was knocked out for 10 seconds.That is speculation at best.Again, I could have used the Thor lightning bolt one shotting Hulk scene.but that would be rude since Hulk has nothing to do with this thread.And since h1a8 breaths Superman, I just used the scene so he would understand what an actual one shot is 😎
Yes, now I noticed what was the intention of the one shot scan. 😎
Originally posted by h1a8Didn't understand a word I just said.
Byrne's purpose was to write Superman vastly weaker than PC levels. He had him not so invincible. Nukes could even tax or ko Superman at the time.
After Byrne other writers wanted to increase Superman's power since it seemed unnatural for Superman to be that weak. So in a way Byrne was purposely writing a very weak Superman.
Bien will understand at least.
Originally posted by h1a8
If you get a stopwatch and start it right after the next panel (the one after Thor is seen hitting Mangog) and read the conversion at normal speed then you would see that Mangog was out for MORE THAN 10 seconds.
This takes me back:
Originally posted by h1a8
I see you used that he traveled a half million light years in [b]10 seconds. Well this isn't quite true since the conversation took at least 20 seconds. I took a stopwatch while reading the panel in conversation speed. So about half your number seems best. [/B]
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Conversation ended as he entered warp speed and started again once they hit the destination.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Seems silly to start timing yourself talking to yourself without first determining if there was even a conversation that happened mid-travel to begin with.
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Originally posted by h1a8
But you know I'm right. Unless you think they were talking faster than light or some shit.
Liefield era Wolverine musta had FTL talking powers.
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