Sephiroth vs. Shin Akuma

I answered that question, and it's because he wasn't Seifer Sephirtoh until his union with Jenova's head. Before that he was just Sephiroth trying to use Meteor against the planet. As Seifer Sephiroth he's gained new attacks, one of which are Supernova. He obviously did not perform the attack in canon however since well, it would've destroyed the solar system while considering that none of the party killing overdrives (such as the Final Aeon's Ultimate Jecht Shot from FFX) were pulled off, since it would've obviously killed the party thereby creating a bad ending. However Supernova is still an attack of his and can be performed as shown in the game. I'm not convinced at all of this illusion theory. I'd have to believe that just about all the overdrives and summons are illusions as well if I were to believe Supernova is an illusion.

Asking why the planets appear again while doing Supernova is exactly like asking why the FFVII party are still alive after taking a Terra Flare from Bahamut, and why the planet Eden nukes seems to be perfectly fine right before she nukes it again. All of these are the bs mechanics once again, not the summons themselves.

As I've said before, there's no exact proof on either side of the Supernova debate. Why this is still being argued is beyond me.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Dammit Nomura.

Originally posted by Terryc250
^ Meteor is NOT his ultimate attack, it is his required attack, it is stated the reason he needed meteor was because meteor will create a perfect wound on the planet which will cause the planet to heal itself while sephiroth is in the middle of that wound absorbing it.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Uh ok, let common sense ask a question.

If his supernova attack(as in the comet flying) can destroy a planet 20 times the size of earth within seconds(jupiter) why the fcuking hell would he even need to use the black materia in the first place to summon the meteor which takes a hell long time to even reach the planet? Yet the meteor being so small?

Common sense and logic really elude some people.

And its ironic if its an actual attack, how does he destroy the solar system the same way twice? How does he destroy the same planet twice after it getting destroyed for the first time?

And please dont act as if what you say is 100% true because you have yet to form a cogent arguement of why it is an actual attack. All you are giving is more and more speculation

o god please go back and READ, this has been answered more then once!

If his supernova attack(as in the comet flying) can destroy a planet 20 times the size of earth within seconds(jupiter) why the fcuking hell would he even need to use the black materia in the first place to summon the meteor which takes a hell long time to even reach the planet? Yet the meteor being so small?

And its ironic if its an actual attack, how does he destroy the solar system the same way twice? How does he destroy the same planet twice after it getting destroyed for the first time?

DAMN YOU SAAD!

Originally posted by Guilty Gear

Asking why the planets appear again while doing Supernova is exactly like asking why the FFVII party are still alive after taking a Terra Flare from Bahamut, and why the planet Eden nukes seems to be perfectly fine right before she nukes it again. All of these are the bs mechanics once again, not the summons themselves.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear

As I've said before, there's no exact proof on either side of the Supernova debate. Why this is still being argued is beyond me.

Once again dammit Nomura.

The earth being undamaged by the blast, the blast being unable to annihilate the party.

Why? Because the supernova attack is gameplay mechanics

EDIT i think i misread your posts. i apologise

Or maybe just the character's durabilities are the bs gameplay mechanics. This is why I'm saying there's really no proof whether or not SN is an illusion.

They're not so much different considering just about any enemy overdrive in any FF game would kill the party. Even Auron's Dragon Fang should technically kill a party since there's friggin explosions happening right under each person.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Once again a solar system being destroyed and neo bahamut terra flaring a party are 2 COMPLETELY different things.
Firstly
1) When a planet gets destroyed for real, they will not reappear
2) Neo bahamuts terra flare is merely gameplay mechanics because if it were in a cut scene, the party would die i agree
3) Some one is disputing that the super nova attack is real so hence why i asked the question because if it were real, it brings up several flaws : The supernova could destroy mercury and venus, yet it couldnt kill mere humans and destroy earth

Theres actually enough evidence to put it as a illusion attack.

The earth being undamaged by the blast, the blast being unable to annihilate the party.

Why? Because the supernova attack is [B]gameplay mechanics [/B]

1)No its the same thing, when ground gets destroyed, it is for real, it will not reappear,
2)Supernova is also gameplay mechanics.
3)Ur just repeating more gameplay mechanics, and yes we all agree, that some gameplay mechanics make no sense, but doesn't mean it is an illusion, some are just more far fetched then others.

ALL summons use gameplay mechanics one way or another, supernova is no different, so i don't see why we don't start accusing Titan of being an illusion as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bzh4gU0RCQ

F*CK! THERE'S NO CONFIRMATION AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now let's all stfu 313

Originally posted by Manslayer
EDIT i think i misread your posts. i apologise

@Terryc250 K i think you forgot to read that 😉 anyways i mis read your posts, i thought you were disputing the supernova attack as in it actually wiped out the solar system

Lol, he wasn't. He was just supporting that it's not an illusion and I agree with him. People are welcome to disagree too. None of us have any actual proof but support and examples, is all.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Lol, he wasn't. He was just supporting that it's not an illusion and I agree with him. People are welcome to disagree too. None of us have any actual proof but support and examples, is all.

I think v2d was referring to illusion as in a different context but thats just imo

Anyways back on topic. Sephiroth brutally rapes akuma, hard

Like an attack that's not real, just something the party sees.

Yeah, Sephiroth does that to Akuma alright.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
None of us have any actual proof but support and examples, is all.

Ok, hope that ends the argument.

Sephiroth rapes Akuma. 😗

There are something you all have to realize about most summons and wide destructive attacks in FF games, in actuality the characters would not just stand there like morons and take the entire blast, or else they would be dead. Terry, you are quite obviously not reading my posts, as I have provided several theories backed up with enough evidence to completely demolish yours, yet you choose not to read. Seph is not capable of that kind of power, cannot destroy or even wound a planet by himself, period.

^Actually yes i have been reading your posts, apparently you have not been reading mine, because you have just been repeating yourself over and over, Seph is infact capable of doing that with the right summons (Supernova, and Meteor) period.

The only argument you came up with for this illusion theory, is that there r clouds in the background of the final fight which is far too weak to be real evidence that the supernova summon is just an illusion.

The rest of the things you have stated r just gameplay mechanics which can be found in EVERY summon, not just supernova.

Originally posted by Terryc250
^Actually yes i have been reading your posts, apparently you have not been reading mine, because you have just been repeating yourself over and over, Seph is infact capable of doing that with the right summons (Supernova, and Meteor) period.

The only argument you came up with for this illusion theory, is that there r clouds in the background of the final fight which is far too weak to be real evidence that the supernova summon is just an illusion.

The rest of the things you have stated r just gameplay mechanics which can be found in EVERY summon, not just supernova.

No they cannot, obviously, and you're acting as if he's been implying that anywhere in this thread.

The post at the top of this page explains everything. Everyone especially you two should really stop debating Supernova. It is most definitely not needed in this fight anyway.

I agree that is not needed in order for Sephiroth to win.

However I see no harm in them debating Supernova so long as they just don't go around in circles. Would be good if for once we can find a final verdict on the damned move.