first of all you people, its a video game, stop trying to compare it with reality.
Summons are NOT illusion, if summons were illusions, then why did they do damage during FFAC?
for Cloud taking a bullet to the head, are you talking about the end of AC? Cause Cloud died and was revived by Aeris.
And yes, the planets do keep repeating, as do all summons in the game, if u watch the neo bahamut, you can see the chunk of ground keep flying up and bahamut blasting it, yet it appears over and over, if you repeat the summon, yet bahamut is NOT an illusion because you can clearly see it being used in the movie, like i said, you can't expect things in gameplay to be life-like and make sense, but it does not take any feats away from the character.
Yes they can die by sephiroths sword, or Clouds sword, but so what? Vegeta during the frieza saga was still able to blow up planets, yet he died by a finger laser that shot through his heart.
However i do see your point on why you might think its an illusion, because its not realistic, but if you think about it, in FFVII you summon a giant bahamut dragon from outer space, blast a giant beam at small little creature, and the creature survives, does that mean bahamut is an illusion to? Well he is not because you see bahamut in FFVII AC, and hes clearly REAL.
Which proves my point that although some summons dont make sense/unrealistic, it doesnt mean its an illusion.
DBZ is incosistent enough as it is. There is a reason no one likes to argue DBZ...
And We are not saying Super Nova is an illusion simply because it happened in gameplay...it is just self-contradictory. I haven't seen anyone suggest Bahamut, Bolt or Ice are illusions. You're trying to trap us in a web of words, my friend. It will not work on me.
Bahamut is in the movie...but we never see Bahamut actually levitate the city in order for him to blast it from the skies. If he had done it in the movie then yes I would swallow hard and accept it, but as it stands no. He never did that. Not to mention the Bahamut in the movie is another version and not Neo Bahamut.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Which proves my point that although some summons dont make sense/unrealistic, it doesnt mean its an illusion.
But not in a KMC debate. If I'm reading what you're saying properly, your main is that yes, the landscape is not damaged, but it's a game mechanic and games aren't real. That doesn't fly here. All logical evidence points to those attacks being illusions because they don't even damage the landscape at all, yet it's supposed to be a solar system destroying attack. That's why using the game mechanic as a reason would only be probable if said attack was seen in a cut-scene, if we see the attack literally destroying the solar system and the planet then we can simply wave-off the attack not effecting the landscape as a game mechanic. However, because we haven't seen the attack being canonically carried out we can only use logical deduction.
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
But not in a KMC debate. If I'm reading what you're saying properly, your main is that yes, the landscape is not damaged, but it's a game mechanic and games aren't real. That doesn't fly here. All logical evidence points to those attacks being illusions because they don't even damage the landscape at all, yet it's supposed to be a solar system destroying attack. That's why using the game mechanic as a reason would only be probable if said attack was seen in a cut-scene, if we see the attack literally destroying the solar system and the planet then we can simply wave-off the attack not effecting the landscape as a game mechanic. However, because we haven't seen the attack being canonically carried out we can only use logical deduction.
I want to have your babies Blaxican. inlove
I never get motivated.. that's why I troll.
The longest running one I had was with Guilty gear in that Sora topic, when we were debating over the Keyblade being a real weapon or not. We went back and fourth for like 5 pages and by the 5th page weren't even arguing about anything in particular, just flinging insults 😬
Originally posted by Guilty GearDidnt you say sephiroths supernova is an illusion? Because sephiroths ultimate attack depicts a meteor destroying planets which would kind of screw up the storyline seeing that it blew up several planets in a few seconds as compared to the meteor which took days to reach the planet.
I could never believe that all the most powerful attacks by FF villains are just illusions, if that's what you're saying.
If his attack is real why bother even getting cloud to use the black materia to summon a long ass meteor when he can use his super nova attack to wipe out the solar system in minutes compared to days
^ Meteor is NOT his ultimate attack, it is his required attack, it is stated the reason he needed meteor was because meteor will create a perfect wound on the planet which will cause the planet to heal itself while sephiroth is in the middle of that wound absorbing it.
If I'm reading what you're saying properly, your main is that yes, the landscape is not damaged, but it's a game mechanic and games aren't real. That doesn't fly here. All logical evidence points to those attacks being illusions because they don't even damage the landscape at all, yet it's supposed to be a solar system destroying attack.
Supernova is the same thing, it is no different then any other summon, we don't see it getting used during a cutscene but during gameplay, thats why we see things that don't make sense at all and aren't realistic at all, but it is not an illusion.. the wielder of supernova really has the power to do that damage permanently.
The scenes in gameplay of the summons shows what the summon is capable of doing, where is proof that the things in gameplay are non-cannon? Because in AC it shows that summons are cannon, and limits are cannon too.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeWell when putting up with the likes of Sandai refuting and/or responding to posts becomes an incredibly easy task. The only hard part is getting them to stop b*tching to you. 😆
Same here.People I admit have lots of energy are V2D, Sandai, StyleTime and Guilty. Well Sado too...
Well pretty much anyone but me unless I am really really motivated. Like when I ran that Pyron busting KOS-MOS thread and initiated V2D's hatred towards KOS-MOS. I'll never forget that.
Originally posted by Terryc250Co-signed.
^ Meteor is NOT his ultimate attack, it is his required attack, it is stated the reason he needed meteor was because meteor will create a perfect wound on the planet which will cause the planet to heal itself while sephiroth is in the middle of that wound absorbing it.What im saying is yes, the landscape, etc, is not damaged by bahamut, and the damage still gets replaced everytime the summon is summoned which doesn't make sense at all.. its because its [b]during gameplay
, so does that mean bahamut doesn't exist and its an illusion? No, bahamut DOES exist and he is not an illusion, the summon is real, if bahamut was used during a cutscene, then yes, the people who designed that cutscene will of course add more realistic details, the ground will be permanently destroyed and everything like in AC.. which is what i'm pointing out, that the user who has possession of bahamut has the power to permanently do alot of damage with him.Supernova is the same thing, it is no different then any other summon, we don't see it getting used during a cutscene but during gameplay, thats why we see things that don't make sense at all and aren't realistic at all, but it is not an illusion.. the wielder of supernova really has the power to do that damage permanently.
The scenes in gameplay of the summons shows what the summon is capable of doing, where is proof that the things in gameplay are non-cannon? Because in AC it shows that summons are cannon, and limits are cannon too. [/B]
Originally posted by ManslayerI did, and that was my take on it. It's an assumption after all and there's really nothing confriming it's real or not, yet. I'm convinced that it's real. He was planning on to use Meteor to injure Gaia and absorb its lifestream to become a "God", not to actually destroy the planet completely, and this was when he wasn't Seifer Sephiroth, dude. Seifer Sephiroth is Sephiroth merged with Jenova's head or part of Jenova, if I'm not mistaken, which changed him into his Seraphic Form and gained new attacks. He did not have Supernova before then.
Didnt you say sephiroths supernova is an illusion? Because sephiroths ultimate attack depicts a meteor destroying planets which would kind of screw up the storyline seeing that it blew up several planets in a few seconds as compared to the meteor which took days to reach the planet.If his attack is real why bother even getting cloud to use the black materia to summon a long ass meteor when he can use his super nova attack to wipe out the solar system in minutes compared to days
Anyways again, Sephiroth wins with or without Supernova.
Originally posted by Terryc250Well, I never said that Cloud and friends didn't have superhuman endurance, only that it was possible to kill them with bullets or swords. You have officially made me shit myself. You are actually saying that Supernova not only has Solar System destroying power, but it actually MAKES the Solar System it destroys! This only helps the illusion theory. As far as DBZ goes, it's true Frieza's Death Beam cannot destroy a planet, and Vegeta at that time could, but thing is the Death Beam tho small has more powerful energy than what is needed to destroy a planet, the way beams in DBZ work is they are compacted down into smaller forms to be able to kill or injure people who can survive planet destroying attacks. In RPGs like FF when you are in a fight, the people take turns hitting eachother. Are you gonna tell me that's real too? I have theories of how mass destruction attacks work, they are highly exaggerated in gameplay, Cloud and friends when faced with an attack of such power dodge the lethality of the move, but still take damage from debries or a small part of the explosion. Also, Supernova is either an exaggeration, an illusion, or it never happened in canon.
first of all you people, its a video game, stop trying to compare it with reality.Summons are NOT illusion, if summons were illusions, then why did they do damage during FFAC?
No i was talking about in the beginning, where he gets shot point blank in the face by the longer hair'd one. At the end of the movie you can clearly see the materia glowing through his wrist making it seem like he's using some kind of materia with the gun.
And yes, the planets do keep repeating, as do all summons in the game, if u watch the neo bahamut, you can see the chunk of ground keep flying up and bahamut blasting it, yet it appears over and over, if you repeat the summon, yet bahamut is NOT an illusion because you can clearly see it being used in the movie, like i said, you can't expect things in gameplay to be life-like and make sense, but it does not take any feats away from the character.
Yes they can die by sephiroths sword, or Clouds sword, but so what? Vegeta during the frieza saga was still able to blow up planets, yet he died by a finger laser that shot through his heart.
However i do see your point on why you might think its an illusion, because its not realistic, but if you think about it, in FFVII you summon a giant bahamut dragon from outer space, blast a giant beam at small little creature, and the creature survives, does that mean bahamut is an illusion to? Well he is not because you see bahamut in FFVII AC, and hes clearly REAL.
Which proves my point that although some summons dont make sense/unrealistic, it doesnt mean its an illusion.
Edit: And as far as "summons" go in FFVII, they for some reason just appear, do one attack, then leave. Yet in AC Bahamut stayed til it was defeated. So, maybe how summons work in gameplay is that they just show the summon doing an attack, and the opponents are actually fighting the summon, and the damage done is representative of what was done before it was killed.