Originally posted by XanatosForever
...😬 What?Recoome was well above vegeta at that point, which is why he got his ass handed to him. Where did you get the idea they had even close to the same power level?
That is why I asked what was his power level and again, Recoome was playing around with Vegeta and that was obvious.
Originally posted by carver9
Super Saiyan Goku and Frieza 100% power level were almost the same but Goku power level was a little bit bigger than Frieza and that is why he won because again, he was faster, stronger, more durable, and outright more powerful than frieza due to that SMALL difference.
You're changing the subject. The fact remains that even with that difference, Freiza could hit Goku. Even with that difference, Freiza was a threat to Goku. Even with that small difference, Freiza could seriously harm, or even kill, Goku.
Either the differences don't mean much, or everyone in DBZ is a collossal moron. People don't usually fight unless they think they can win. The way you're saying it, two fighters would only need to compare power levels to determine who wins, and the fight wouldn't be necessary. They should just look at the scouter, realize that guy is one point above them, and just give up, since it's totally hopeless.
Why would would a sneak attack even matter? If the opponent is so fast you can't see them, they could get out of the way and kill you before you could even attack.
Originally posted by The Scenario
You're changing the subject. The fact remains that even with that difference, Freiza could hit Goku. Even with that difference, Freiza was a threat to Goku. Even with that small difference, Freiza could seriously harm, or even kill, Goku.Either the differences don't mean much, or everyone in DBZ is a collossal moron. People don't usually fight unless they think they can win. The way you're saying it, two fighters would only need to compare power levels to determine who wins, and the fight wouldn't be necessary. They should just look at the scouter, realize that guy is one point above them, and just give up, since it's totally hopeless.
Why would would a sneak attack even matter? If the opponent is so fast you can't see them, they could get out of the way and kill you before you could even attack.
I'm not changing anything, Frieza and Goku power level wasnt that big of a difference so of course if someone power level isnt even that far above your you should be able to hurt that person, that isnt what I am arguing.
The difference mean a lot and yes, that is what I am saying, in order to pose a threat to a character in DBZ you have to be just as powerful, you dont have to be exactly at the same power level liiiiike someone having a powerlevel of 12000 and another person would need to have a power level of 12000 in order to make it a challenge. I think someone with a power level of 11500 could give someone with a power level of 11600 a fight but the person with 11600 would win due to the speed, power, and durability edge. If the power level is a complete different then thats when things like this can happen....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CwXN0PVBWA&feature=related
Do you know what a sneak attack is?
Originally posted by carver9You missed the point, kiddo. Bullet timing is nothing new to DBZ, so Raditz has no feats impressive in the DBZ continuity, and yet is above Goku and piccolo. His PL is about double theirs, but they can still tag him, and together they beat him.
Look at the Raditz fight again and then come back and tell me how Goku and Picollo landed a lick on Raditz. By the way, Goku as a child was bullet timing and Raditz is much faster than Goku during his child years so I will love for you to stop saying bullet timing since people in regular dragonball is above that.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not changing anything, Frieza and Goku power level wasnt that big of a difference so of course if someone power level isnt even that far above your you should be able to hurt that person, that isnt what I am arguing.
You've brought up Goku and Piccolo only having a 50 point difference, yet Goku repeatedly blitzed. How big was the difference between Goku and Freiza?
The difference mean a lot and yes, that is what I am saying, in order to pose a threat to a character in DBZ you have to be just as powerful, you dont have to be exactly at the same power level liiiiike someone having a powerlevel of 12000 and another person would need to have a power level of 12000 in order to make it a challenge. I think someone with a power level of 11500 could give someone with a power level of 11600 a fight but the person with 11600 would win due to the speed, power, and durability edge. If the power level is a complete different then thats when things like this can happen....
Again, contradiction. You say a 50 point difference (500 to 450) is enough to blitz, but the 100 point difference between 11500 and 11600 can give a fairer fight?
It's just inconsistent; power levels were phased out because the numbers got ridiculous.
Edit: also, how was Pui Pui surviving punches from Vegeta if his power level is so much lower?
Do you know what a sneak attack is?
Of course, but the way DBZ pulls them off you'd think they don't. Why don't you give an example?
Also, dammit, we're off topic again. This needs to stop.
Originally posted by The Scenario
You've brought up Goku and Piccolo only having a 50 point difference, yet Goku repeatedly blitzed. How big was the difference between Goku and Freiza?Again, contradiction. You say a 50 point difference (500 to 450) is enough to blitz, but the 100 point difference between 11500 and 11600 can give a fairer fight?
It's just inconsistent; power levels were phased out because the numbers got ridiculous.
Edit: also, how was Pui Pui surviving punches from Vegeta if his power level is so much lower?
Of course, but the way DBZ pulls them off you'd think they don't. Why don't you give an example?
Also, dammit, we're off topic again. This needs to stop.
Goku did blitz Piccolo but Piccolo also landed licks. I never said that Goku was untouchable but he was faster, more durable, and more powerful and that is why Junior resorted to trickery.
Read the above regarding your comment about the 11600 power level.
Power level was never phased out, I dont know where you got that from. They just handled it different. Instead of using scouters, it came directly out of the characters mouth.
Pui Pui survived Vegeta punches because Vegeta was playing around with him and again, that was obvious but we do know one thing, Vegeta 3 none serious punches was messing Pui Pui up.
I agree, we are off topic... you all started with me when I gave my opinion and honestly, we are not off topic, we are debating because of the tier placement. I think some DBZ and Bleach characters need to be put in there respectable zones.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You missed the point, kiddo. Bullet timing is nothing new to DBZ, so Raditz has no feats impressive in the DBZ continuity, and yet is above Goku and piccolo. His PL is about double theirs, but they can still tag him, and together they beat him.
You missed the point kiddo. Raditz feat is dodging someone that has feats as a child of slapping machine gun fire out of the air by MULTIPLE of shooters and he had the aid of Piccolo who was just as fast and again, Piccolo and Goku didnt hit Raditz without a Plot.
Originally posted by carver9
Goku did blitz Piccolo but Piccolo also landed licks. I never said that Goku was untouchable but he was faster, more durable, and more powerful and that is why Junior resorted to trickery.
So we have a concrete example of someone with a lower power level hitting someone with a higher power level, who is shown to be faster. Can you prove more powerful/more durable?
You never did answer the question of how big Freiza and Goku difference was.
Read the above regarding your comment about the 11600 power level.
Still inconsistent, with 50 and 100 being vitually the same.
Power level was never phased out, I dont know where you got that from. They just handled it different. Instead of using scouters, it came directly out of the characters mouth.
I don't recall many characters sensing numbers. Which is what I was talking about.
Pui Pui survived Vegeta punches because Vegeta was playing around with him and again, that was obvious but we do know one thing, Vegeta 3 none serious punches was messing Pui Pui up.
But he survived those serious punches?
I agree, we are off topic... you all started with me when I gave my opinion and honestly, we are not off topic, we are debating because of the tier placement. I think some DBZ and Bleach characters need to be put in there respectable zones.
How many DBZ or Bleach characters are actually going to be used in debates?
Originally posted by The Scenario
So we have a concrete example of someone with a lower power level hitting someone with a higher power level, who is shown to be faster. Can you prove more powerful/more durable?You never did answer the question of how big Freiza and Goku difference was.
Still inconsistent, with 50 and 100 being vitually the same.
I don't recall many characters sensing numbers. Which is what I was talking about.
But he survived those serious punches?
How many DBZ or Bleach characters are actually going to be used in debates?
Yes, we have examples but the difference of the power level is so minimum that you really dont even have an argument. I never said that they have to be completely equals power level wise but I did say that if there is a gap (that is noticable) then that person would get stomped.
I also said this, a person with a power level of 11500 is faster, stronger, and more durable than a person with a power level of 11400.
I dont know how much of a difference it was big I remember frieza henchmen saying that Goku power level was a little bit bigger than frieza but again, it wasnt enough to make that much of a difference but it did cause frieza the fight.
He sure did survive those 'none serious" punches because Vegeta is a BIAT** and he always toy with his prey.
If it was up to me, I would NEVER use a DBZ or Bleach character in a forum battle, its too hectic and it would cause a lot of fussing, etc... but these characters still deserve their respect.
Captain Falcon for High/Elite Street based on incredible reaction timing, combat experience as a bounty hunter and curing teen pregnancy. Unfortunately I don't know that much more about him.
Sora from Kingdom Hearts for Mid Meta based on him being above bullet timing speeds. He's dealt with Larxene, likely the fastest member of Organization 13 and a user Lightning. There are also some laser timing feats which personally I don't think is quite as good as what an actual laser timing feat would be, but it's still really damn good.
Strength, he played tennis with sections of skyscrapers in his final fight with Xemnas.
Sora also has multiple magical spells and drive forms that give him different abilities. All of his drive forms, except Valor, amp his magic abilities. All of this may actually get him into High Meta, though. He's much faster than he is strong, certainly.
The Cooper Gang (Sly, Bentley, Murray) for High Street with prep. They pull off all kinds of heists that they really should not be able to do. They tend to work off of their surroundings quite well, even using an insect to spy on one target during the events of Sly 2. Eh, not quite sure of what else I can list. Will work on more if that's not enough.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Captain Falcon for High/Elite Street based on incredible reaction timing, combat experience as a bounty hunter and curing teen pregnancy. Unfortunately I don't know that much more about him.Sora from Kingdom Hearts for Mid Meta based on him being above bullet timing speeds. He's dealt with Larxene, likely the fastest member of Organization 13 and a user Lightning. There are also some laser timing feats which personally I don't think is quite as good as what an actual laser timing feat would be, but it's still really damn good.
Strength, he played tennis with sections of skyscrapers in his final fight with Xemnas.
Sora also has multiple magical spells and drive forms that give him different abilities. All of his drive forms, except Valor, amp his magic abilities. All of this may actually get him into High Meta, though. He's much faster than he is strong, certainly.
The Cooper Gang (Sly, Bentley, Murray) for High Street with prep. They pull off all kinds of heists that they really should not be able to do. They tend to work off of their surroundings quite well, even using an insect to spy on one target during the events of Sly 2. Eh, not quite sure of what else I can list. Will work on more if that's not enough.
I agree with this except Captain Falcon, he should be higher.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
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