Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Carver quit it. A little debate is no problem but when you spam this topic it gets to be a problem.

Also you're still hung up on the notion that tier placement is done by who would beat who in a fight. Its not, its done by power and capabilities. Otherwise Midnighter would be High Meta because he can beat virtually anyone under Herald given the right circumstances.

Anywho I propose Sarah Kerrigan (Zergified) for Mid Meta.

Reasoning: decent telepathy, powerful telekinesis, enhanced strength, enhanced speed, and decent combat skill.

I'm not doing anything to you Omega, I am trying to debate with you... I'm not attacking you Omega. If you disagree with my statements please tell me why.

I already gave my stance on why I think the people that I named as being as powerful as they are... example, Cell, he had solar system destroying power which was stated by Cell and also stated by Akira himself but you all have him listed as a High herald. No high herald possess that kind of power. No high herald can tank the type of punches Cell tanked "an amped Super Saiyan" and stand there without even noticing them punching him.

Then you have someone like Goku being >>> Cell after the Cell games and during the buu saga and this is power wise. Lets not even get started on Bleach characters being listed as Low Herald when Ichigo alone would own or even give a tuff fight to some of the best high heralds.

Again Omega, I'm not picking with you but if you disagree, post why and stop thinking that I am trying to bate etc... I am arguing for these characters just like you argue for Darkseid.

I support the proposed placement of the individual Powerpuff girls. And the team placement too.

Hey Carver. How you been?

Quit power scaling.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Quit power scaling.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I support the proposed placement of the individual Powerpuff girls. And the team placement too.

Hey Carver. How you been?

Quit power scaling.

I have been doing good, how about you?

By the way, I'm not power scaling when it was mentioned that Gohun, Super Saiyan 2 wasnt as powerful as his father during the time he was battle Vegeta and Gohun was > Cell.

Its common sense.

carver you would love for Dbz characters to be placed above high herald not happening unless you can prove they belong which you haven't done yet

...what? When you say Goku vs Vegeta, I am assuming you meant Majin Vegeta vs Goku after the Cell Saga. And yeah, you're still using power levels to put these people above where they would be.

"Nappa can nuke a city, and he couldn't TOUCH Goku!"

Again I will ask you. How much faster was Goku? How much stronger? You don't know, but you're making it out to be a lot more than it would be.

Originally posted by iceman24567
carver you would love for Dbz characters to be placed above high herald not happening unless you can prove they belong which you haven't done yet

I'm not just talking about DBZ characters, I'm talking about NUMEROUS of anime characters.

I have proven that even frieza is above high herald, people just dont want to accept it because if Tien is put above high herald that would make him > Superman and Thor and that alone would cause a riot on the forum.

I'm already satified though, One Dumb who is an expert about Thor stated that Frieza is >>>> Thor so all in all that was enough for me because if he thinks that about Thor and Thor is one of the most powerful high herald then that mean that he also think Frieza could stomp any of them (which he could) and again, One Dumb is a Thor fanatic. With that said, that would mean that anybody after the frieza saga that is more powerful than frieza in his mind is at an insane level.

He was obviously thousands of times faster than Nappa 😐. Goku was also thousands of times faster than Jayce and Purter since they couldn't touch him either 😐

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
...what? When you say Goku vs Vegeta, I am assuming you meant Majin Vegeta vs Goku after the Cell Saga. And yeah, you're still using power levels to put these people above where they would be.

"Nappa can nuke a city, and he couldn't TOUCH Goku!"

Again I will ask you. How much faster was Goku? How much stronger? You don't know, but you're making it out to be a lot more than it would be.

Goku was at a power level of 500 and Picollo was at a power level of 450 and was getting blitzed left and right by Goku.

With that said, I will leave the math for you since this is a comic book and you are trying to use real world logic.

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Originally posted by iceman24567
He was obviously thousands of times faster than Nappa 😐. Goku was also thousands of times faster than Jayce and Purter since they couldn't touch him either 😐

There ya go (even though you are being sarcastic).

Burta or Jeice couldnt even see Goku MOVEMENTS, that alone put him significantly over them speed wise.

Burta and Jeice BLAST couldnt even touch Goku and again, that alone puts him FAR above them.

Thats like me saying, well, since Wonder Woman was unable to touch flash that means that flash could be 1% faster than her.

You all are in some major denial.

Actually, I'm not trying to use real world logic at all. Lol.

As for the point you tried to make, speed and strength do not have to correlate perfectly. Trunks' SS2. More Power than Cell, Cell is faster. So what exactly does this prove? That Power levels are total Ki energy measurements and that Strength and Speed's only correlation to them are that training your body to be faster and stronger increases Ki.

Also, you can be blitzed being only one second slower than someone else when you are both above bullet timing speeds. And we may not even be talking about the speed of sound there.

I thought Trunks technically wasn't SSJ2 more like in between

So where would people place the various permutations of Commander Shepard from Mass effect?

Also Carver9, want to weigh in where you place Unicron? Also any familiarity with the Fun Publications comics? There's some herald level characters there (Nexus Prime and Omega Doom).

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Actually, I'm not trying to use real world logic at all. Lol.

As for the point you tried to make, speed and strength do not have to correlate perfectly. Trunks' SS2. More Power than Cell, Cell is faster. So what exactly does this prove? That Power levels are total Ki energy measurements and that Strength and Speed's only correlation to them are that training your body to be faster and stronger increases Ki.

Also, you can be blitzed being only one second slower than someone else when you are both above bullet timing speeds. And we may not even be talking about the speed of sound there.

LOLOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHA 😆

Everyone tend to resort to the trunks and Cell fight when regarding the power level thingy when it was actually stated on panel why trunks lost his speed. These are the exact words, let me help you out "even though I have increased in power, I lost my speed DUE TO MY BULKIER FORM". His build made him lost his super saiyan speed not his power level LOL. It was stated NUMEROUS of times why trunks even though being more powerful lost his speed so stop acting crazy.

Let me ask you something, we have Grundy hitting Flash, how much faster is Flash over Grundy since Grundy tagged him? We have Kalibak hitting Superman, how much faster is Superman over Kalibak?

Originally posted by iceman24567
I thought Trunks technically wasn't SSJ2 more like in between

I rarely do this but Iceman, this is true but he was extremely powerful though but due to his build he lost all of his speed, it slowed him down. If it wasnt for that flaw he would have destroyed Cell.

Let me ask you something, we have Grundy hitting Flash, how much faster is Flash over Grundy since Grundy tagged him? We have Kalibak hitting Superman, how much faster is Superman over Kalibak?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It doesn't matter because they're seperate universes and authors. Realisticly the speed difference between DBZ characters could easily be minimal.

So that is the excuse, different universes. Well with this statement I just guess it is safe to say that we shouldnt pit Marvel and DC characters against each other.

With this statement I guess people can argue that Spiderman speed could be on the same level as Wonder Woman since they are from different universes.

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Originally posted by carver9
So that is the excuse, different universes. Well with this statement I just guess it is safe to say that we shouldnt pit Marvel and DC characters against each other.

With this statement I guess people can argue that Spiderman speed could be on the same level as Wonder Woman since they are from different universes.

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The DBZ universe never has speedsters tagged, there's no proof for how wide the gaps in speed are, ect.

You're assuming these gaps are massive when nothing points to that. It could simply be how Akira writes. Trying to compare them to people tagging the flash is a horrible comparison.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
So where would people place the various permutations of Commander Shepard from Mass effect?

Also Carver9, want to weigh in where you place Unicron? Also any familiarity with the Fun Publications comics? There's some herald level characters there (Nexus Prime and Omega Doom).

I put him at Elite Sky father because even though on a FORUM he could be defeated due to the time it would take for him to rebuild but if you made it a prolong battle, no one below Odin stands a chance against him.

How does the bulkier form thing defeat my argument? I never said it was his power level. Fact is, his power level was still above Cells, but he was still slower.

Besides, that's not the only thing. Power levels decrease in fights as people tire. Supporting a measurement of total Ki energy.