Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by carver9
He SUPPOSE to be higher in power but he isnt. The writers messed the character up.

What do you mean who is the strongest person Super Saiyan 3 Goku can beat? Are you asking me who is the strongest he can beat out of Marvel and DC characters or Anime?

Originally posted by -Pr-
to everyone who responded to me:

i said i COULD say that, not that i would say it. I like Kit Fisto. I just thin that scene made him look bad. I personally think it's major PIS.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, that scene was fine, Sidious SHOULD be able to make Kit Fisto his ***** because Sidious is MUCH more powerful, only Mace or Yoda at the time could fight him at an equal or so level.

Originally posted by -Pr-
uhuh

why do you assume that they would need to? you're also forgetting that it's a comic book. if you showed people moving so fast they were invisible to the naked eye, you would have a lot of empty looking panels.

heck, even superman and doomsday during dos were a blur at times during their fight, and that was pre several upgrades.

kit fisto isn't that much of a retard, though.

Owned

He didn't fight like a retard and isn't one.Sidious is just that much more powerful.There was some PIS involved as neither seasil tin or(god I can't remember the other guy)even tried to defend.

Originally posted by carver9
How about this then Pr... Gohun and Super Buu fighting... they are fighting so fast that when they crash through a small mountain the rock around them are still floating in the air while they are performing fighting techniques. They basically do an entire fighting scene before the rocks even gain the kinetic energy to fall on the ground (time basically stopped for them)..

Fast forward this to 2 min and 34 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W6wD27B4UE

I think its more due to the energy being released.Many times DBZ characters(even ones like nappa)were able to power up so rocks float.At the point of the buu saga I wouldn't be surprised if they released enough energy to see some uber rock floating skills

Originally posted by carver9
So I guess that if you are seen battling during combat that would make you much slower than a person that is completely invisible during combat.

WHOO HOO, I guess since the person that you brought up earlier does not have any battle that partain to him being completely unseeable during combat makes him much slower.

Also, you assume that just because a character is drawn visible that means he automatically is, I have seen Superman fly to the ground, grab Lois Lane, and fly away all faster than the speed of thought. And that is not even his best feat, by far.

What person?

Originally posted by -Pr-
uhuh

why do you assume that they would need to? you're also forgetting that it's a comic book. if you showed people moving so fast they were invisible to the naked eye, you would have a lot of empty looking panels.

heck, even superman and doomsday during dos were a blur at times during their fight, and that was pre several upgrades.

kit fisto isn't that much of a retard, though.

Retard? He was just outclassed, they did not know he would be powerful enough to effortlessly kill three masters.

Originally posted by NemeBro
For the record guys, since carver cannot actually read my posts I figured I should tell ya'll, I have seen it calculated that in order for a human-sized object to be so fast as to be invisible, one would only need to be moving at about 200 miles per hour.

Where did you get this calculation from, out of curiosity? Jet Fighters flying at mach 1 can be seen moving through the sky even when the distance makes them seem only a few inches in length, half an inch sized bullets can be seen traveling through the air, etc.

Originally posted by carver9
How about this then Pr... Gohun and Super Buu fighting... they are fighting so fast that when they crash through a small mountain the rock around them are still floating in the air while they are performing fighting techniques. They basically do an entire fighting scene before the rocks even gain the kinetic energy to fall on the ground (time basically stopped for them)..

Fast forward this to 2 min and 34 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W6wD27B4UE

The effect is diminished at longer distances, sort of like how we can watch a comet in the sky, but up close it'd pass us by before we knew it.

Or how a speeding car up close looks like a blur, but at distance, is distinct.

That's a good point, hadn't thought of that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he went down like a b*tch, even though in TCW he could take on grievous and his bodyguards and hold his own.

you honestly going to tell me that part of the movie wasn't a mess?

Hell, the only reason Mace Windu was able to best Palpatine is because his form of combat (Vaapad) enables him to tap both his AND his opponent's inner darkness and employ it offensively in battle.

(All of the above is from the RotS novel, btw.)

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Mace is a beast but I think it can be argued that palpatine held back against mace.He knew anikan would come back and ask for his help to save padma.So if he was holding back I'd call palpatine for elite meta and mace for high.

So yeah... I guess one could TRY to argue that point, but it would be a completely vain and baseless argument, really.

You're beaten a dead horse there Galen, PR already apologized... in his own special way. 313

^ I saw his Irish apology... But I like beating dead horses. evillaugh

Originally posted by Galan007
See, this is why the RotS novelization is almost an essential read. It fills in the gaps SO much better than the film. Anyhow, it's not that Kit, Agen, and Saesee were weak by any means (they were confirmed by Obi-Wan and Yoda as 3 of the best swordsmen the Jedi order had EVER produced, after all) it's just that Palpatine was so far beyond all of them, that they hardly knew what was going on before being slaughtered in rapid succession. As Dooku put it: "Palpatine is beyond power."

Hell, the only reason Mace Windu was able to best Palpatine is because his form of combat (Vaapad) enables him to tap both his AND his opponent's inner darkness and employ it offensively in battle.

(All of the above is from the RotS novel, btw.)

I can assure you there are NO canonical sources that say anything about Palpatine "holding back" against Mace. In fact, per GL himself during the RotS audio commentary, Mace legitimately "overpowered" Palpatine during their battle.

So yeah... I guess one could TRY to argue that point, but it would be a completely vain and baseless argument, really.

If we're going to use subjective "I think this looks cool" as evidence, then wouldn't that mean that Sailor Saturn beats Goku?

Has Goku ever beaten the big badguy of the story arc just by transforming?

No? Then that Means that Sailor Saturn (Who can destroy planets with a simple motion) is more powerful than Goku (Even though she doesn't have the combat spped of a street leveler)?

But hey, she beat the boss of the story arc just by transforming a feat goku has never done.

Originally posted by Galan007
I can assure you there are NO canonical sources that say anything about Palpatine "holding back" against Mace. In fact, per GL himself during the RotS audio commentary, Mace legitimately "overpowered" Palpatine during their battle.

So yeah... I guess one could TRY to argue that point, but it would be a completely vain and baseless argument, really.

Lucas' word is law in SW though, so it is canon.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Carver you need to stop using artistic license as if it's concrete evidence. It's not. Superman has been shown to travel at FTL without ANY blur effect while at the same time Deathstroke (someone who at best can run 100 mph) has been shown to blur many times.

And you need to stop using flight as combat speed. Rogue has flown through space beside the Surfer at faster than light speed but still got blitzed by Wolverine and humilated by Sabertooth. Rogue has flown from the moon back to the xmansion in seconds and still got blitzed by Wolverine. Ironman has flown to the sun in mere panel alongside Sentry and still got blitzed by Spiderman.

Flight does not equal combat speed. Deathstroke has never, his entire career fought like Goku, not even Goku at his weakest. You cannot see light; a human cannot see something that is going past them at the speed of light, its impossible, so you bringing up people still seeing Superman while flying through space means that he must wasnt going at the speed of light since the human eyes cannot perceive anything going that fast. Goku is completely invisible while performing fighting routines; if someone else were performing the same fighting routine and they were visible to the eyes and people actually seen them then that mean that they were moving much slower than what I shown of Goku.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not really. Combatants have the capacity to, you know, STOP.

Also, you assume that just because a character is drawn visible that means he automatically is, I have seen Superman fly to the ground, grab Lois Lane, and fly away all faster than the speed of thought. And that is not even his best feat, by far.

What person?

I have never witness Superman flying with Lois at tremendous speed; please show this scan. Your caculations were wrong by the way in regards to 200 mph. The human eye can perceive things faster than that and again, being visible is completely different than being invisible. If I had a choice to fight someone that completely vanish during combat vs someone that is moving fast but you can still basically see them, what choice do you think I would choose? Who do you think I would think is moving the fastest?

All of this is pretty obvious.

Why the hell is goku even being argued? He's already placed on the tier as low herald.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The effect is diminished at longer distances, sort of like how we can watch a comet in the sky, but up close it'd pass us by before we knew it.

Or how a speeding car up close looks like a blur, but at distance, is distinct.

People have watched a lambo outrace a jet and the car was going over 200 mph. Your evidence is boo boo. People see bullets pass by all the time so again, your evidence is boo boo and bullets go at least 500 mps.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Why the hell is goku even being argued? He's already placed on the tier as low herald.

Nooo, some people put him as high herald, some (including yourself) put him at low herald and some even think that he is higher than high herald (me, Jinzin, and One Dumb along with a few others).

That's an outright lie. People do not casually see bullets flying by, if they were that slow, they wouldn't be so damn deadly.

Have you seen a bullet pass by, carver?

Originally posted by XanatosForever
That's an outright lie. People do not casually see bullets flying by, if they were that slow, they wouldn't be so damn deadly.

Have you seen a bullet pass by, carver?

😕 You can see bullets but that doesnt mean you can react to it. Hell, people in the military all tell stories of how they see bullets fly past their heads. You can especially see bullets at night.