Originally posted by carver9
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/5bul.jpg
get. out.
that's not proof. and isn't nearly his most recent/most impressive bullet feat.
also, i think most jedi/sith should be at least low meta, but thats just me.
Originally posted by -Pr-
get. out.that's not proof. and isn't nearly his most recent/most impressive bullet feat.
also, i think most jedi/sith should be at least low meta, but thats just me.
Dooku made a point of that when he pwned her with force lightning after she called him an "old fool" for pointing out that she couldn't be a Sith because Sith are without fear.
She could be Elite Street or Low Meta, but based on feats she's just Elite Meta.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Ok I disagree with that.Jedis should be above street.A minimum I would say low meta but prob higher. Dude...if you put him as stronger then WWH what tier would you put SS4?To you he'd be like cube being.... As for non skyfathers IMO WWH is the second strongest.Right behind WBH.
Super Saiyan 4? Naah, I dont care about him, he seemed weaker (even though kid Goku as a Super Saiyan was punching the android around the world with just one punch and flew around the world right behind him while dodging said blast that was being shot at him). I think Super Saiyan 3 Goku from DBZ would CRUSH Super Saiyan 4 from GT. Super Saiyan 4 does have some great showings though like lifting up a city (more than a city actually) and crushing cities while fighting but I still think DBZ Goku>Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT. The thing that made him weaker was when he was turned into a child, it depowered him physically (even though as a child it stated that his powers were off the chart).
But I do agree with what you said, I would place Super Saiyan 4 strength at incaculable levels, around sky father level.
Now again, can someone show me ANY character High Herald or below fighting at this fashion continuously; not just one burst of speed, CONTINUOUS super speed.
Please start at 25 seconds and by the way, this is Goku as a child so it should be hard for you to find someone to trump kid Goku.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fysoNAUUBZ8&feature=related
Besides flash like characters.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI'd say ventress is low meta.Most people on the council are mid-high meta and some are a solid high meta like windu.
What's Mister Terrific's current placement? Because his T-Spheres are arguably much more potent (and versatile) than lightsabers are. I don't think he's even Low Meta.If Asajj Ventress was placed in Low Meta she'd be one of the least powerful/versatile persons in the tier.
Not true at all. Some Jedi/Sith have the power to destroy starships and Darth Nihilus had the power to wipe out the populations of entire planets by mere presence alone.
Probably the highest jedi are low herald.That list would consist of people like nihilus,sion,bane,exar kunn,and mabye anikan solo.
Originally posted by marwash22Some might be high meta.
i don't play Star Wars games, my comment referred to Jedi/Sith... in the movies. None of them are above mid-Meta.
Originally posted by -Pr-Most.Only high people like movie 3 obi-wan and council members are mid to high.And only some of the best jedi of all time like nihilus,bane,exar kunn and possibly some jedi(only mace or yoda would be in there)
get. out.that's not proof. and isn't nearly his most recent/most impressive bullet feat.
also, i think most jedi/sith should be at least low meta, but thats just me.
Originally posted by carver9You think someones who is supposed to be high is lower....thats like saying a regular superman is superior to a sundipped one.
Super Saiyan 4? Naah, I dont care about him, he seemed weaker (even though kid Goku as a Super Saiyan was punching the android around the world with just one punch and flew around the world right behind him while dodging said blast that was being shot at him). I think Super Saiyan 3 Goku from DBZ would CRUSH Super Saiyan 4 from GT. Super Saiyan 4 does have some great showings though like lifting up a city (more than a city actually) and crushing cities while fighting but I still think DBZ Goku>Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT. The thing that made him weaker was when he was turned into a child, it depowered him physically (even though as a child it stated that his powers were off the chart).But I do agree with what you said, I would place Super Saiyan 4 strength at incaculable levels, around sky father level.
And if you think SS4 is lower then SS3 who is the strongest person you think SS3 can beat?
Originally posted by carver9
Whats not proof of what?
you said he NEEDED help from Flash. At NO point is that suggested, and it's not his most recent/best speed feat.
Originally posted by carver9
Now again, can someone show me ANY character High Herald or below fighting at this fashion continuously; not just one burst of speed, CONTINUOUS super speed.Please start at 25 seconds and by the way, this is Goku as a child so it should be hard for you to find someone to trump kid Goku.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fysoNAUUBZ8&feature=related
Besides flash like characters.
that's not THAT impressive. seriously. i don't know how you think that's amazing while dissing so many speed feats from high level comic characters.
also, i thought the anime wasn't allowed?
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Most.Only high people like movie 3 obi-wan and council members are mid to high.And only some of the best jedi of all time like nihilus,bane,exar kunn and possibly some jedi(only mace or yoda would be in there)
the top jedi/sith would be at least mid imo, if not high.
Originally posted by -Pr-Top of the top would be low herald.
you said he NEEDED help from Flash. At NO point is that suggested, and it's not his most recent/best speed feat.that's not THAT impressive. seriously. i don't know how you think that's amazing while dissing so many speed feats from high level comic characters.
also, i thought the anime wasn't allowed?
the top jedi/sith would be at least mid imo, if not high.
The council members would be mostly mid to high meta.People on around movie 2 anikan and ventress would be low meta and Most below that would be high street.
I doubt anyone(even younglings)could be low street.Possibly mid.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Top of the top would be low herald.The council members would be mostly mid to high meta.People on around movie 2 anikan and ventress would be low meta and Most below that would be high street.
I doubt anyone(even younglings)could be low street.Possibly mid.
the problem is how much of the media we can use. if we use all of it, then the council looks good. in the movies even most of them were shit.
Originally posted by -Pr-I thought all material was canon but some was more canon then the others.
the problem is how much of the media we can use. if we use all of it, then the council looks good. in the movies even most of them were shit.
Like if something in the book contridicted the movie(the movie being the most canon source)then the info in the book was non-canon.
But if it hasn't contridicted anything its all the same universe and same timeline therefore it should all be canon.
But yes I agree in the movie the council sucks.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
I thought all material was canon but some was more canon then the others.Like if something in the book contridicted the movie(the movie being the most canon source)then the info in the book was non-canon.
But if it hasn't contridicted anything its all the same universe and same timeline therefore it should all be canon.
But yes I agree in the movie the council sucks.
there are different levels of canon. some wouldn't be considered, tbh.
Originally posted by -Pr-What wouldn't be considered canon?I know there are different levels of canon.Isn't it something like(in order form most to least canon)
there are different levels of canon. some wouldn't be considered, tbh.
1: Movies
2: TV show
3: Books
4: comics
5: Statements form people at lucas films
6: Random writer statements.
Or something like that?What isn't canon?
Originally posted by Raoul
star wars has different levels of canon. its not like comics. there are different levels, from the movies downwards...By 1996, Licensing was keeping an in-house bible of reference materials as the volume of publications, facts, and figures grew to such unwieldy proportions that it became difficult to know everything relevant to a particular project. They finally decided something had to be done to organize the increasingly large collection of media which chronicled the Star Wars universe. A system of canon was developed that organized the materials into what was and wasn't fit for the Star Wars story.
In 2000, Lucas Licensing appointed Leland Chee to create a continuity tracking database referred to as the "Holocron". As with every other aspect having to do with the overall story of Star Wars, the Holocron follows the canon policy that has been in effect for years.
The Holocron is divided into 5 levels: G-canon, T-canon, C-canon, S-canon, and N-canon.
G-canon is absolute canon; the movies (their most recent release), the scripts, the novelizations of the movies, the radio plays, and any statements by George Lucas himself. G-canon overrides the lower levels of canon when there is a contradiction. Within G-canon, many fans follow an unofficial progression of canonicity where the movies are the highest canon, followed by the scripts, the novelizations, and then the radio plays.
T-canon refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee.
C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.
S-canon is secondary canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the online roleplaying game Star Wars: Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.
N-canon is non-canon. "What-if" stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), game statistics, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered official canon by Lucasfilm. A significant amount of material that was previously C-canon was rendered N-canon by the release of Episodes I-III.
It's a matter of contradictions. As far as the entire universe is concerned, everything except for things deemed N-Canon are canon unless they clearly contradict higher canon. So, in laymen's terms, feats presented in the novels and comics and such are canon to the characters, unless they contradict such things in the movies.
The only thing I'm not sure about are the cartoons. Though your chart states them as higher canon than novels and comics, many of the feats performed by the characters are exaggerated(Like Mace jumping a mile in the '03 CWC). Not sure where those fit in continuity.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It's a matter of contradictions. As far as the entire universe is concerned, everything except for things deemed N-Canon are canon unless they clearly contradict higher canon. So, in laymen's terms, feats presented in the novels and comics and such are canon to the characters, unless they contradict such things in the movies.The only thing I'm not sure about are the cartoons. Though your chart states them as higher canon than novels and comics, many of the feats performed by the characters are exaggerated(Like Mace jumping a mile in the '03 CWC). Not sure where those fit in continuity.
the problem is the movies, though.
i could claim kit fisto is in fact a shite jedi based on the movies, regardless of what he did in TCW or the books.
