Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by marwash22
who would that be?

Originally posted by carver9
The same reason during Odin and Thanos fight Asgard didnt have a scratch or a dent on the ground. The same reason during Thanos and Thor with the power gem fight, they didnt even do damage to a room. The same reason during God like Cable and an angry Silver Surfer fight, it didnt even do damage to a city. The same reason during Galactus and Silver Surfer fighting Tenebrous and Aegis, they didnt even do any damage at all to the planet or to the surrounding area they were fighting on.

Would you like for me to continue?

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree, plenty of DBZ character in my opinion can give Odin a fight.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Well its obviously pretty much all people past sayian saga can destroy the planet as vegeta destroy a planet and the gallick gun blast he shot he said could.

As to why the planet isn't destroyed its the same answer as why it isn't destroyed in comics.

IMO only one DBZ character can give odin a good fight.

I don't see what freeza did and happening in a western style comic.

This again takes us back to the concept of Qi/ki/chi. What it looks like freeza did was killed the planet rather than outright destroying it. He shot a single blast that acted much like a gunshot killing a person. It was a slow death whaere the system self destructed. This fits with the eastern philosophy of everything having chi, including the planet. So when he disrupted the planet's chi...

Such a shot wouldn't have the same effect on a western style concept because of the lack of a concept of ki. While the shot might very well still kill the planet it wouldn't be as drastic of an effect. I can see what happened in the core occuring. The first time we really see an out and out destruction of the planet was with Kid Buu.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Gogeta SS4.Hes the only one that has a chance. Thanos and odin did much damage to asgard...thor and thanos did much damage to the room...what are you talking about?

There was no damage done to asgard at all. I dont know where you go that from.

The only damage that was done during that entire fight with Thor and Thanos was when Thor hit Thanos through the wall. Even then, thats still not enough to say that Thanos is a planet buster if we were to use Creshok ideal of things but we all know that Thanos IS a planet buster even on a bad day.

You cant call someone weak because the planet earth dont get destroyed during every fight, what sense does that make?

Originally posted by Creshosk
There's a values and physics dissonance between the east and the west.

I don't see what freeza did and happening in a western style comic.

This again takes us back to the concept of Qi/ki/chi. What it looks like freeza did was killed the planet rather than outright destroying it. He shot a single blast that acted much like a gunshot killing a person. It was a slow death whaere the system self destructed. This fits with the eastern philosophy of everything having chi, including the planet. So when he disrupted the planet's chi...

Such a shot wouldn't have the same effect on a western style concept because of the lack of a concept of ki. While the shot might very well still kill the planet it wouldn't be as drastic of an effect. I can see what happened in the core occuring. The first time we really see an out and out destruction of the planet was with Kid Buu.

Originally posted by Creshosk
There's a values and physics dissonance between the east and the west.

I don't see what freeza did and happening in a western style comic.

This again takes us back to the concept of Qi/ki/chi. What it looks like freeza did was killed the planet rather than outright destroying it. He shot a single blast that acted much like a gunshot killing a person. It was a slow death whaere the system self destructed. This fits with the eastern philosophy of everything having chi, including the planet. So when he disrupted the planet's chi...

Such a shot wouldn't have the same effect on a western style concept because of the lack of a concept of ki. While the shot might very well still kill the planet it wouldn't be as drastic of an effect. I can see what happened in the core occuring. The first time we really see an out and out destruction of the planet was with Kid Buu.

How about this Creshok, prove that anyone on the JLA besides a GL can level a city with a punch?

Once you prove that, prove that a JLA member besides a GL can wreck a planet.

Originally posted by carver9
There was no damage done to asgard at all. I dont know where you go that from.

The only damage that was done during that entire fight with Thor and Thanos was when Thor hit Thanos through the wall. Even then, thats still not enough to say that Thanos is a planet buster if we were to use Creshok ideal of things but we all know that Thanos IS a planet buster even on a bad day.

You cant call someone weak because the planet earth dont get destroyed during every fight, what sense does that make?

WHat?DBZ moons seem to have weak durabilitys but we know that even picollo before the sayians arrive can destroy the moon.

This is true.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Killed the planet?If chi is supposed to affect living things why can it blast holes through rocks and such?

And the way it looked it was more like planet namek bled to death when Freeza shot it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What? I don't follow what you're asking. Ki can affect inanimate matter as well. What I'm saying is that in eastern philosophy there is chi in all things.

And the way it looked it was more like planet namek bled to death when Freeza shot it.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Bleed to death....I think to me it just looked like the planet exploded.But you seem to analyze things much better then me.

Freeza shoots it. Goku and Freeza fight and then sometime later it explodes.

It wasn't like with kid buu who just pointed his palm at the planet, and boom he one shots it instantly.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm talking about the amount of time that it took for the planet to explode.

Freeza shoots it. Goku and Freeza fight and then sometime later it explodes.

It wasn't like with kid buu who just pointed his palm at the planet, and boom he one shots it instantly.

Originally posted by carver9
Because his books are interesting and entertaining. He is also putting everyone in the tier where they belong, like Wonder Woman, she has been stated numerous of times as being a peer of Supes but going by showings get stomped and is always put behind the scenes. He put her in Supes, Captain Marvel, and Adams tier, a tier where she was stated as being at but never had the feats to back up this claim. Now people have reasons on saying why she can give people like Thor, etc... a good fight and possibly win.

Not just her though, NUMEROUS of other characters he have helped and gave fans meaning of like the character instead of it all being circled around Superman and Batman.

Wonder Woman had the showings before McDuffie came along.

This is the guy that booted Hal and Wally out of the League too. It wasn't just Superman and Batman that lost focus.

So what he did was ok, even though he wrote Superman poorly?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman blue was a GOD (and is also underated by a lot of people on KMC).

Yeah, I remember that, he did solo the moon but he also had complete control over kinetic energy and I'm pretty sure that aided him but even without that, I think he could move the moon because again, he is a beast.

Blue was physically weaker than current Superman, though.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Actually there was.I got it from the comic.There is a lot of collateral damage.

WHat?DBZ moons seem to have weak durabilitys but we know that even picollo before the sayians arrive can destroy the moon.

This is true.

It probably was but it wasnt enough for me to say Odin is a Galaxy buster or to suggest that Odin could destroy a city IF that was the first comic staring Odin.

What makes you think DBZ moons are weak?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Well a planet can only explode so fast....

Originally posted by Creshosk
It exploded faster with Kid Buu.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm talking about the amount of time that it took for the planet to explode.

Freeza shoots it. Goku and Freeza fight and then sometime later it explodes.

It wasn't like with kid buu who just pointed his palm at the planet, and boom he one shots it instantly.

That was a weakened frieza that admitted that he used ALL of his energy to get free of the spirit bomb. Then lets not forget the beating that he took from a Super Saiyan before attempting to destroy the planet.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
True.Two confliction views of how a planet explodes.

You cant use the frieza showing though because he admitted that he was weakened.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wonder Woman had the showings before McDuffie came along.

This is the guy that booted Hal and Wally out of the League too. It wasn't just Superman and Batman that lost focus.

So what he did was ok, even though he wrote Superman poorly?

Blue was physically weaker than current Superman, though.

I did not enjoy his deathlok stories.

Originally posted by carver9
You cant use the frieza showing though because he admitted that he was weakened.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
True.Two confliction views of how a planet explodes.

Freeza was like using a gun, Buu was like using a rocket launcher.

One of the deaths was a bit more instantaneous than the other.