Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by marwash22
Because... wait for it...

COMICS ARE NOT MANGA!

It's the one constant, fundamental difference between Manga and Comics. Comics have always been about collateral damage, hard hits and explosions... all things used to stress the amount of danger the innocent's are in. Manga typically focuses on head-to-head battles that involve one character trying to out perform another.

Manga fights hardly ever involve the general public in the same fashion as Comics, the inverse is true for Comic fights. If comic fights were done in the same manner of Manga fights, it would be counterproductive to the very nature of "Heroes saving the day".

Ok, so since we have Captain Marvel and Superman battling each other with Batman sitting on the other side looking at the battle, even AIDING Superman against Captain Marvel, we still have to assume that they are fighting at Super Speed.

Then we have Superman and Adam fighting while people are actually walking out of buildings looking at the fight but we are suppose to assume that Adam and Superman are fighting at Super Speed.

Then we have Superman taking on kryptonians while some of the other JLA members are watching but yet again, we are suppose to assume that they are fighting at high speeds.

So tell me, what is it in these scenes that make us realize that they are fighting at high speeds. Is it a person in the back ground scream "hey, look at the speed line that is near invisible, that is how you can tell". Please tell me how I would know because your post isnt making any sense.

First you went from "if Superman fought at high speeds in every fight, the comic wouldnt even last that long" to "Superman is fighting at high speeds, you cant tell but he is though".

Help a brother out here.

wtf are you talking about? Quote me where i said Superman DID fight at superspeed. Everything i wrote was in effort to explain WHY THEY DIDN'T fight at super speeds. Your comprehension skills are severely lacking.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hmm... What about Haruhi Suzumiya for abstract level?

Originally posted by marwash22
wtf are you talking about? Quote me where i said Superman DID fight at superspeed. Everything i wrote was in effort to explain WHY THEY DIDN'T fight at super speeds. Your comprehension skills are severely lacking.

With this said all of your post was pointless.

Back on topic.

Goku as a kid speed feats.

http://img378.imageshack.us/i/05106ha6dv7.gif/
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Adult Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kid Goku.

In a comic THIS is how people should realize someone is fighting at tremendous speeds. Here go some speed lines for ya.

http://img59.imageshack.us/i/img0005rp3.jpg/
http://img141.imageshack.us/i/img0006nx9.jpg/

Shut up Carver, you have never actually quantified any "speed feat" you have ever brought up.

Creshosk, Haruhi potentially is Abstract, but she has no real knowledge of her powers, does she?

stop talking about ****ing dragonball.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Shut up Carver

Originally posted by amnesia
stop talking about ****ing dragonball.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Creshosk, Haruhi potentially is Abstract, but she has no real knowledge of her powers, does she?

She's my favorite Eldritch Horror.

Originally posted by carver9
Deal with what?

Read it. Pay close attention to the dialogue.

Originally posted by Creshosk
She's my favorite Eldritch Horror.

The answer is no.

Originally posted by NemeBro
...................

The answer is no.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Shut up Carver, you have never actually quantified any "speed feat" you have ever brought up.

Creshosk, Haruhi potentially is Abstract, but she has no real knowledge of her powers, does she?

True.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's one of the beautiful things about it. She has the ability to recreate the universe to her whim subconciously

She's my favorite Eldritch Horror.

I actually don't mind, to be honest. I'm just pointing out what some people may think.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No to what? Her being abstract level or her being strikingly similar to Azathoth?

Originally posted by NemeBro
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!

Originally posted by StyleTime
What? "Winking out" is all the quantification you should need sir.

True.

She's a tricky one. I don't think many would argue that she doesn't have the power for abstract, but can we place someone there if she doesn't know it?

I actually don't mind, to be honest. I'm just pointing out what some people may think.

Originally posted by Creshosk
An inability to directly control one's powers hasn't prevented the placement of others.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That really doesn't answer the question. What are you denying, her placement?

Originally posted by marwash22
Like who?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Haruhi should not be utterred in the same paragraph as Azathoth or real Eldritch Abominations. estahuh

Think about it.

Haruhi is actually surprisingly similar to Azathoth on some level. Both are incomprehensibly powerful beings who created the universe without being aware they did so, although Azathoth is unaware of it because he is a primal force of chaos, mindless and senseless, while Haruhi created an universe where she thinks she's a normal (for a given value of normal) human and is thus unaware of her true nature. In either case, if they'd gain awareness the universe would be doomed (or at least be remade into something completely different than it used to be).

And given that Eldritch Abominations can range in appearence from human to high octane nightmare fuel, would it really be that much of a stretch if she were basically the avatar of somthing.

Yes yes, I have read the TV Tropes topic as well.

I know the premise behind her, but I just LOATHE everything about her.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yes yes, I have read the TV Tropes topic as well.

I know the premise behind her, but I just LOATHE everything about her.

Funny thing is, when a friend introduced me to the series he tried me to get interested in Mikuru. But rather I myself like Haruhi most in the series.

Plus you have to admit there's a striking similarity there.

I propose that Bentley, Sly and Murray be placed in High Street under "The Cooper Gang" because it's confusing having two Sly Coopers on the list.

I'll also make a case for Murray and Sly in Mid Street on their own.

Sly
Powers and gadgets:
- Invisibility
- Amps for some of his attacks (Push, Jump, and Spin that get upgrades to level 3)
- Electrical attacks on his Cane including a spin, single hit, and a rolling attack
- Insanity Strike that turns enemies on each other
- Slow Motion sight (Thief Reflexes ability)
- Time Manipulations (Slow Down, Speed Up, and a short time stop
- Great Balance (standing on points via the Ninja Spire Jump, even points as small as the tip of a spear, walking on thin ropes, branches and vines)
- Good agility (Combat Dodge ability, can perform flips in any direction, even to the sides)
- Various other gadgets (Smoke Bomb, Rocket Boots, Hat Bombs, etc)

Combat ability:
- On the wing of a flying plane he defeated the Black Baron, a student of Boxing for ten years.
- He defeated martial artist Panda King and his newly created style of martial arts Flame Fu. The style employs conventional martial arts techniques and launched fire works (which Sly dodges)
- He defeated Chinese General Tsao in a fight on a battlefield that Tsao's family has used for generations to defeat their opponents in one on one combat, so Tsao presumably had much more experience there. Tsao also used several black magic spells Sly had to contend with

Videos of stuff in case:

YouTube video

Here we can see the Ninja Spire Jump in action, as well as his balance, and the pages for his invisibility technique.

Ninja Spire Jump beings at 1.35, you'll see him jumping on stones in what looks like a big stone mouth.

Balance at 3.20, 4.05 and 5.18.

YouTube video

At about 3.30 you'll get to see where Sly and the Black Baron jump on the wing of the larger plane to fight. Baron even calls out some extra henchmen in the fight to try and overwhelm Sly.

YouTube video

Tsao's quote about experience starts at like 0.50, and the hand to hand fight starts at 5.00 but the whole video is pretty much Sly vs Tsao.

YouTube video

Sly beating Panda King. Only 2 minutes long, but the fight probably starts at about 30 seconds in.

Also, Po the Panda from the Dreamworks movie Kung Fu Panda for Elite Street based on amazing damage soak, great knowledge of Martial Arts, immunity to nerve based strikes because he's fat, and some rubbery properties (he bounced around in that fight with I think Tai Lung a lot and would just ricochet off stuff). He also has his pinky technique that creates the large explosion that I am going to call Skidoosh.

Will post on Murray later.