Originally posted by Omega VisionYouTube video
Either Elite Street or Low Meta would be fine. I could vote either way.Its hard to gauge the exact limits of his strength (his best feat is effortlessly bending a shaft of metal that was said to have a tensile strength of 40 kilobars (580,000 psi, essentially ten times that of modern steel), mainly durability that makes him so formidable.
I guess its easy to forget how dangerous he could be given how harmless Data is personality-wise.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixWho are you referring to?
How much strength would it take to deflect a barrage of arrows with a swipe of your hand? His hand didn't actually touch the arrows? By Barrage then I mean at least 1000.
Originally posted by -Pr-
umm, no she didn't.superman did the moon thing. that's it. during mcduffie's run he was underused and under powered (literally at one point). he was also written as being both useless in a fight AND out of character more than once (actually a lot). i don't see how you could suggest otherwise.
mcuffie proved without a doubt that he has no idea how to write superman in a team setting.
and it isn't just superman. wally, hal, red tornado, even kimiyo hoshi was mistreated.
no, i'm basing it on his general showings. i didn't say he was much weaker, just that he was physically weaker.
I agree with some of the things that you said but majority, I disagree with. Superman portrayal was kind of inconsistent. Mcduffie balanced it out. I see no reason for the flash to be on the JLA honestly. The team is filled with speedsters, not flash speed but enough to get the job done. That was Mcduffie entire statement; why have flash when we have NUMEROUS of speedsters on the team.
If Superman is = or> Blue Superman, why did he need the suit again to rupture Imperex hide instead of doing it under his own power. He physically dented imperex prime suit when he turned into blue Superman again.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with some of the things that you said but majority, I disagree with. Superman portrayal was kind of inconsistent. Mcduffie balanced it out. I see no reason for the flash to be on the JLA honestly. The team is filled with speedsters, not flash speed but enough to get the job done. That was Mcduffie entire statement; why have flash when we have NUMEROUS of speedsters on the team.If Superman is = or> Blue Superman, why did he need the suit again to rupture Imperex hide instead of doing it under his own power. He physically dented imperex prime suit when he turned into blue Superman again.
what did mcduffie "balance out" pray tell?
because flash is faster than either of them?
he didn't NEED the suit again. at all. and he didn't turn in to superman blue, so i don't know where you got that. he merged with strange visitor. it's not the same thing. at all.
Originally posted by -Pr-
what did mcduffie "balance out" pray tell?because flash is faster than either of them?
he didn't NEED the suit again. at all. and he didn't turn in to superman blue, so i don't know where you got that. he merged with strange visitor. it's not the same thing. at all.
The inconsistency. Everyone is balanced out and they are at their true power level.
I agree, Flash IS faster than anyone on the JLA but his speed was rarely a main factor on the JLA that aided them against plot. I can think of a couple of instances but not enough to make me think that he is a main character.
I know but wasnt it stated that strange visitor also had the same powerlevel as blue Superman. They were one in the same. Hell, I would go as far to say that Superman Blue is more powerful by a huge gap.
Originally posted by carver9
The inconsistency. Everyone is balanced out and they are at their true power level.I agree, Flash IS faster than anyone on the JLA but his speed was rarely a main factor on the JLA that aided them against plot. I can think of a couple of instances but not enough to make me think that he is a main character.
I know but wasnt it stated that strange visitor also had the same powerlevel as blue Superman. They were one in the same. Hell, I would go as far to say that Superman Blue is more powerful by a huge gap.
so underpowering him is putting him at his true level? not to mention the severe out of character behaviour to boot.
it was a huge factor under other writers. casey and morrison used it to great effect, for example.
she wasn't as powerful, and even her powerset was a little different. the suit was just the same suit, and the suit never gave superman blue any of his powers, so i don't see how that applies.
Originally posted by The Nuul
What about the Borg and what amount?Like a Borg cube or a single Borg drone...
I'd say a Borg Drone would be Mid-High Street.
I don't know if we could start counting ships and space stations as characters for the tier listing, but if we can I'd put a Borg Cube at Mid Herald since they can assimilate entire planets and one of them (thanks to the help of assimilated Picard's knowledge of Federation tactics) rage-stomped a Federation fleet of 40 ships.
Originally posted by -Pr-
so underpowering him is putting him at his true level? not to mention the severe out of character behaviour to boot.it was a huge factor under other writers. casey and morrison used it to great effect, for example.
she wasn't as powerful, and even her powerset was a little different. the suit was just the same suit, and the suit never gave superman blue any of his powers, so i don't see how that applies.
I dont think he was under powered. What feats are you using that is making you think he was/is under powered?
I think it is an impact but again, a lot of people can accomplish some of the things a holding back flash was accomplishing. I dont see a reason for him being on the JLA but I do see him as a JLA member, someone they can call on during times of need.
The entire plot was Superman NEEDING the suit to accomplish the feat he accomplished. If he didnt need it he wouldnt have put it on.
Originally posted by carver9
I dont think he was under powered. What feats are you using that is making you think he was/is under powered?I think it is an impact but again, a lot of people can accomplish some of the things a holding back flash was accomplishing. I dont see a reason for him being on the JLA but I do see him as a JLA member, someone they can call on during times of need.
The entire plot was Superman NEEDING the suit to accomplish the feat he accomplished. If he didnt need it he wouldnt have put it on.
umm, all of them. before mcduffie came along, the consistent superman was more powerful than the one mcduffie had. it was a depowerment.
you could say the same about half the team, tbh.
what was the suit supposed to do? the suit didn't contain any power in the slightest.
Originally posted by -Pr-
umm, all of them. before mcduffie came along, the consistent superman was more powerful than the one mcduffie had. it was a depowerment.you could say the same about half the team, tbh.
what was the suit supposed to do? the suit didn't contain any power in the slightest.
But what did Mcduffie do to the heros that make you believe he depowered them?
Naah, some of Supermans strength feats, I cant see to many people on the JLA accomplishing them. Some of Wonder Woman feats against high end characters that she has dealt with while helping the JLA (along with her magic resistance) I cant see a lot of people accomplishing this. Martian Manhunter, no need to explain. Flash is a one dimensional character that holds back ALL of the time. He isnt a main factor on the JLA but thats just my opinion.
The suit amped Superman. Superman having that suit was the major part of the plan at stopping Imperex and it worked. Another thing to look at is... when Superman first confronted imperex he almost got killed by a mere blast from him if it wasnt for Darkseid aiding him whereas with the blue suit, he was in the heart of an explosion comparable to the big bang (even though a GL contained it) and he lived through it, it even showed him screaming in the inside. The suit put Superman on levels far surpassing his regular self.
Originally posted by carver9He'd be more mid.IMO most jedi are meta.Low ones like ventress would be low beta.Then would be people around the category of maul and movie three anikan.Next would be highs like council members such as mace and palpatine.And low heralds are the best jedi in history such as darth nihilus,sion,bane,exar kun etc...
Darth Maul Low Meta.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
He'd be more mid.IMO most jedi are meta.Low ones like ventress would be low beta.Then would be people around the category of maul and movie three anikan.Next would be highs like council members such as mace and palpatine.And low heralds are the best jedi in history such as darth nihilus,sion,bane,exar kun etc...
I agree.
Originally posted by carver9
But what did Mcduffie do to the heros that make you believe he depowered them?Naah, some of Supermans strength feats, I cant see to many people on the JLA accomplishing them. Some of Wonder Woman feats against high end characters that she has dealt with while helping the JLA (along with her magic resistance) I cant see a lot of people accomplishing this. Martian Manhunter, no need to explain. Flash is a one dimensional character that holds back ALL of the time. He isnt a main factor on the JLA but thats just my opinion.
The suit amped Superman. Superman having that suit was the major part of the plan at stopping Imperex and it worked. Another thing to look at is... when Superman first confronted imperex he almost got killed by a mere blast from him if it wasnt for Darkseid aiding him whereas with the blue suit, he was in the heart of an explosion comparable to the big bang (even though a GL contained it) and he lived through it, it even showed him screaming in the inside. The suit put Superman on levels far surpassing his regular self.
he depowered superman. i never said he depowered the other ones, just handled them badly.
i wasn't talking about those examples, but ok.
the suit is a containment suit. nothing more. strange visitor amped superman by protecting him. she isn't superman blue.
it wasn't, let me repeat that, IT WASN'T THE SUIT.
Originally posted by -Pr-
he depowered superman. i never said he depowered the other ones, just handled them badly.i wasn't talking about those examples, but ok.
the suit is a containment suit. nothing more. strange visitor amped superman by protecting him. she isn't superman blue.
it wasn't, let me repeat that, IT WASN'T THE SUIT.
But I dont see any depowerment involving Supes. Are you basing this off of the fact that he stated that Wonder Woman is faster and the moon busting feat?
A containment suit? Where did you get that from? Please show me in the story where this was stated. I'm not trying to get you angry Pr, I am just trying to see why you think Regular Superman>The Superman that ripped through Imperex hide.