Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Anybody for any of it? I had vids in the Sly post originally, took 'em out for the sake of a shorter post.
I agree with all of it except bently and sly; I think they should be in the Meta list. I cant see a high end street leveler pulling some of the feats that they have. Wolverine and Spiderman are above street level and I think Bently along with Sly could rape them.
Originally posted by carver9
Him fighting a more powerful version of Doomsday and holding his own just fine. Him fighting an angel and actually stalemating it. Him towing the moon without too much trouble whereas it took the entire Kryptonian race to move the moon back into orbit. Didnt he also have a planet moving feat and he admitted on numerous of occasion as being just plain out more powerful than his regular self.
...wow. i'm pretty sure you're trolling me now.
or just hate regular Superman. either one is a more understandable answer.
Murray you mean? And I dunno. Sly has absolutely no strength feats, and his few agility feats are not amazing.
I could see Murray barely scraping into Low Meta, but really barely. Don't we have Luke Cage in Elite Street?
Yeah Omega Vision, Tai Lung is pretty agile and fast. But I dunno. I usually try to be conservative in my recommendations. If other people agree with Po in Low Meta I won't complain.
Originally posted by carver9Yeah you do.
LOLOLOL... I'm not trolling you... I'm trying to debate but if you think I am trolling we might need to get back on topic of the thread.
PR...is it possible to open a debate thread?Like just a thread where people can debate things(non vs. battles)like you and carver have been doing about this superman thing and like DBZ things.Just so this thread isn't spammed up.Its sounds like a good idea.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yeah you do.PR...is it possible to open a debate thread?Like just a thread where people can debate things(non vs. battles)like you and carver have been doing about this superman thing and like DBZ things.Just so this thread isn't spammed up.Its sounds like a good idea.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yeah you do.PR...is it possible to open a debate thread?Like just a thread where people can debate things(non vs. battles)like you and carver have been doing about this superman thing and like DBZ things.Just so this thread isn't spammed up.Its sounds like a good idea.
That would be a great idea, I agree. I tried doing that a while back but a lot of people said it was a stupid idea so they closed the thread.
Originally posted by carver9
LOLOLOL... I'm not trolling you... I'm trying to debate but if you think I am trolling we might need to get back on topic of the thread.
the fact that you think Superman in his current state can't do half the shit you just named f*cking mystifies me, tbh. i can't tell if you're taking the piss or genuinely serious.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the fact that you think Superman in his current state can't do half the shit you just named f*cking mystifies me, tbh. i can't tell if you're taking the piss or genuinely serious.
That is why I said the "average showings" of a character. Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, every character have high showings, I base things off of the average.
Thing fighting Surfer, Black Bolt, Hulk, knocking Galactus down, etc... these are not the norm for thing but it is somethng that happened on panel but if we look at the norm, he isnt capable of doing these things.
Savage Hulk struggling while lifting mountains bigger than the biggest mountains on earth but we have him punching through a time stream and him lifting infinite mass.
Then we have Grey Hulk destroying something twice the size of earth but get tossed around and actually beaten down by Ms. Marvel.
Then we have Wolverine harming Thanos but Thanos has taken some of the most powerful attacks in the cosmos. The list goes on... thats why we have to base things off of the norm for each character because if you always look at high showings, then Thor alone is an abstract being (harming Galactus and actually defeating him TWICE on panel). Surviving the destroyers blast that was built to damage and outright kill Celestials and live through it, have NUMEROUS of showings tanking and damaging and defeating Celestials. Taking on his father and withstanding attacks from an enraged Odin.
Originally posted by carver9
That is why I said the "average showings" of a character. Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, every character have high showings, I base things off of the average.Thing fighting Surfer, Black Bolt, Hulk, knocking Galactus down, etc... these are not the norm for thing but it is somethng that happened on panel but if we look at the norm, he isnt capable of doing these things.
Savage Hulk struggling while lifting mountains bigger than the biggest mountains on earth but we have him punching through a time stream and him lifting infinite mass.
Then we have Grey Hulk destroying something twice the size of earth but get tossed around and actually beaten down by Ms. Marvel.
Then we have Wolverine harming Thanos but Thanos has taken some of the most powerful attacks in the cosmos. The list goes on... thats why we have to base things off of the norm for each character because if you always look at high showings, then Thor alone is an abstract being (harming Galactus and actually defeating him TWICE on panel). Surviving the destroyers blast that was built to damage and outright kill Celestials and live through it, have NUMEROUS of showings tanking and damaging and defeating Celestials. Taking on his father and withstanding attacks from an enraged Odin.
what's your point?
average superman could do that stuff. i was talking about average, not high showings.
Originally posted by -Pr-
what's your point?average superman could do that stuff. i was talking about average, not high showings.
Honestly Pr, not trying to downplay Superman but I dont know his average... he has had to deal with a moon on so many of occasions and each and every time, it is inconsistent. The first time he needed help from Wondy and the Martian, the next moon confrontation he destroyed Saturns moon, the next moon confrontation he rambed the moon and koed himself, and the next time was when it took the entire race to move it.
Same with Thor, Thor has taken blast and hits from Celestial but got dropped by his father, Thanos, Surfer blast did some damage. Then you have Thor hammer denting adamantium punching through Celestials but failing to drop The Hulk along with thousands of others.
Same with Gladiator, Gladiator alone has withstood a solar system destroying blast without any damage and walked through an attack from Binary but then he is feeling pain Polaris and actually have an on panel showing of being dropped by a laser gun.
Again, I'm not downplaying any of these characters but I know the average for each. Thats why I am asking you what makes you think what you are thinking, Im not trying to say that you are wrong, you could be right but I just want to see your point of view.
Originally posted by carver9
Honestly Pr, not trying to downplay Superman but I dont know his average... he has had to deal with a moon on so many of occasions and each and every time, it is inconsistent. The first time he needed help from Wondy and the Martian, the next moon confrontation he destroyed Saturns moon, the next moon confrontation he rambed the moon and koed himself, and the next time was when it took the entire race to move it.Same with Thor, Thor has taken blast and hits from Celestial but got dropped by his father, Thanos, Surfer blast did some damage. Then you have Thor hammer denting adamantium punching through Celestials but failing to drop The Hulk along with thousands of others.
Same with Gladiator, Gladiator alone has withstood a solar system destroying blast without any damage and walked through an attack from Binary but then he is feeling pain Polaris and actually have an on panel showing of being dropped by a laser gun.
Again, I'm not downplaying any of these characters but I know the average for each. Thats why I am asking you what makes you think what you are thinking, Im not trying to say that you are wrong, you could be right but I just want to see your point of view.
hold on.
why do you say he needed help from wonder woman and martian manhunter?
the kryptonian thing was during new krypton, which had some of the lowest showings in superman's history.
superman's average against moons and planets is incredibly high. why should a moon be a challenge for him when he can move a planet? why should he get knocked out by a moon when planets exploding can't kill him?
Somewhere other than this. the majority of this thread has been dbz fanboys, believe me I had a fair chunk of that.
Other discussions keep getting burried under carver's inane ramblings.
anyway
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixWhat was firing them? and what kind of arrows were they?
How much strength would it take to deflect a barrage of arrows with a swipe of your hand? His hand didn't actually touch the arrows? By Barrage then I mean at least 1000.
Normal humans were firing normal arrows, but after looking at it again then I'm going to say at least 500 arrows.
Click the first video and the feat is around 6:25 The guy, Hideyoshi Toyotomi is about 12-15 feet tall I believe. Maybe more.
I've always thought that there was something dishonest about ignoring character abilities or high end feats to try and win an argument. Carver's all but admitted a high end Superman would beat Goku which is why he likes to focus on his 'average'.
It's no different to a Hulk fan (or writer) who insists anyone who fights the hulk will merely exchange blows with him until one of the characters falls down. Saying Superman won't use speed in this case is admitting Superman would win if he used speed or why argue the point at all?
But hey I've done the same thing. I've argued down the Silver surfer claiming he won't use certain powers that would give him an easy win. I was wrong, but we all have biases.
Propositions:
Tristan Taylor (Yugioh Abridged) to Elite Street
Rationale:
-His voice gives him super strength and his voice also knows Kung Fu.
-He has such great stealth skills that he can sneak up on a security guard in a clunking suit of armor
Ascended Ancients (as a race) from Stargate SG-1 for Abstract
Ron Burgundy for Low Street, he's dangerous with a bed-post.
Alan Garner (the Hangover) for Low Street
-He has pretty good damage soak (standing up to a tazer for ten seconds and actually taking a step or two in the direction of his attacker), though Mike Tyson did one-shot him.