Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

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Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Try again. The only reason he was able to beat Palpatine was the fact that using his Vapaad he was able to turn some of the Emperor's own power against him. That counts as a special technique.

It a style he created and it does not take palp power, and maces had his own style used against him before as well and easily defeated the individual.

It simply a fighting style which uses extremely powerful strikes that are dirrect and uses the person anger/or thrill of battle to impue extra power.

marwash22 HELL YEAH.

force choke is kinda haxx and that's the reason they would win most forum fights. That said, Windu isn't a high-Meta threat.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by -Pr-
there was also references to yoda being the best swordsman but mace is generally regarded as the best duelist.

even the cartoons tend to side with yoda as being the best force user too, and iirc they're more canon than the books.

mace couldn't block force lightning with his hands that we saw in the movies. yoda could block and redirect it.


cartoon mini is completely cannon. Yoda used it more dident mean he was more powerful. Though i say he was certainly more knolwedgeable.

mace was caught off guard that is not the same thing. like to see yoda try and do that after he had his arm cut off.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It a style he created and it does not take palp power, and maces had his own style used against him before as well and easily defeated the individual.

It simply a fighting style which uses extremely powerful strikes that are dirrect and uses the person anger/or thrill of battle to impue extra power.


I wasn't aware anyone else knew Vapaad. Do you have a source for that?

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Since when does Mace Windu force choke people? 😬 Sure he was as close as any Jedi ever came to the Dark Side without actually ever crossing over (Luke also came pretty close) but he would never use such an attack unless morality is off.

Also Mace would have trouble dealing with Jack's superior speed.

force crush which is even more powerful and he used it very grevious, and it would very much end jack.

no he wouldent, or did you forget maces version of vapaad enhances his speed to absurd levels.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
force crush which is even more powerful and he used it very grevious, and it would very much end jack.

no he wouldent, or did you forget maces version of vapaad enhances his speed to absurd levels.


Ah yes because with morality on Mace would totally use force crush at the drop of a hat. 🙄

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wasn't aware anyone else knew Vapaad. Do you have a source for that?

not off the top of my head but I can find it. It in a graphic novel about mace. The man is Sora Bulq he help mace create the style. Mace also taught it to his padawan. Also it palp, darth mual, dooku and val all knew at least some of it.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Ah yes because with morality on Mace would totally use force crush at the drop of a hat. 🙄

yes he would, mace really dident care about killing, he used it on grevous with out a second thought in fact it was the first move he used. If he willing to fight you he sure willing to kill you.

notice now it about morality all of suddent because mace can kick the shit out of jack to.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
yes he would, mace really dident care about killing, he used it on grevous with out a second thought in fact it was the first move he used. If he willing to fight you he sure willing to kill you.

Not really. Jedi aren't bloodthirsty. That's one of the major things that separates them from the Sith.

Edit: Whether morality is on or off doesn't really matter. Will Mace take a majority? Probably. But its not like he'll stomp Jack. You'd have to be a retard..... with no comprehension skills..... to think that.

Hold on...

mhmm

Yeah I get it now. Nevermind.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
cartoon mini is completely cannon. Yoda used it more dident mean he was more powerful. Though i say he was certainly more knolwedgeable.

mace was caught off guard that is not the same thing. like to see yoda try and do that after he had his arm cut off.

yoda had his saber knocked out his hand by it. he was barely ready. even before his hand was gone mace still struggled using his saber.

what they said in TPM is canon, though; why would obi-wan say "even higher than master yoda" if mace was higher? it doesn't make any sense. you compare something to the best more often than not, not the second best.

cartoon isn't as canon as the movies.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not really. Jedi aren't bloodthirsty. That's one of the major things that separates them from the Sith.

you dont need to be blood thirsty to be willing to kill. Thats like saying every soldier is blood thirsty and it absurd arguement. Simply if you fight him he will uses lethal force fact.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Edit: Whether morality is on or off doesn't really matter. Will Mace take a majority? Probably. But its not like he'll stomp Jack you'd have to be a retard..... with no reading comprehension skills..... to think that.

Hold on...

mhmm

Yeah I get it now. Nevermind.

not at all. Mace can easily match jack physically, but also has the ability to literraly own him from range. Maces is jack but so much more, he can uses shatter point, force crush, through friggin space ships at him simply holding jack in air with the force ect.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by -Pr-
yoda had his saber knocked out his hand by it. he was barely ready. even before his hand was gone mace still struggled using his saber.

what they said in TPM is canon, though; why would obi-wan say "even higher than master yoda" if mace was higher? it doesn't make any sense. you compare something to the best more often than not, not the second best.

cartoon isn't as canon as the movies.


he wasent really struggling and he used the looping to redirect it at him. Also mace beat palp while yoda lost........

again why would anikin then compare obi wans power to maces?

it just as cannon it was made to be cannon and tell what happen between movie 1 and 2 or was it 2 and 3. one or the other.

marwash22 HELL YEAH.

err, Jack jumps 20 feet in the air, over mountain cliffs, with stupid large boulders on his back... mace can't do that. However, he'd stomp jack everytime due to force push/pull/choke.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by marwash22
err, Jack jumps 20 feet in the air, over mountain clifs, with stupid large boulders on his back... mace can't do that. However, he'd stomp jack everytime due to force push/pull/choke.

mace easily jump hundreds of feat in the air to take out battleship with a dam light saber.....he also destroy army of heavly armored battle bots with his bare hands and also road hundreds of tons of rock during a land slide with utter eases.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
he wasent really struggling and he used the looping to redirect it at him. Also mace beat palp while yoda lost........

again why would anikin then compare obi wans power to maces?

it just as cannon it was made to be cannon and tell what happen between movie 1 and 2 or was it 2 and 3. one or the other.

yoda redirected it by hand. mace needed the saber.

mace had advantages yoda didn't, none of which was superior force power.

he's anakin. he's a tool, remember?

it's not as canon. there are levels of canon in star wars, and iirc the cartoons are a level down from the movies. you CAN take them as canon as you want, but they aren't AS canon as the movies.

NemeBro Senior Member

Jack would kill Mace Windu the very moment the fight starts, before Mace can do anything.

Jack can perform equal or superior jumping feats to Mace, only without the Force as a crutch to aid his physique.

He can push a 600 ton sumo off the top of him.

Jack being in low meta is far too low, he is at the bare minimum mid, probably more like high meta though.

Also, Yoda is not only more powerful than Mace Windu, he is the better duelist, since he has often beat him while sparring with Mace.

Black bolt z Mindsets Master

Originally posted by -Pr-
there was also references to yoda being the best swordsman but mace is generally regarded as the best duelist.

even the cartoons tend to side with yoda as being the best force user too, and iirc they're more canon than the books.

mace couldn't block force lightning with his hands that we saw in the movies. yoda could block and redirect it.

When was it shown mace couldn't block it with his hands.He was hit by palpatine after anikan cut his hand off.I think that puts a damper on things.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Since when does Mace Windu force choke people? 😬 Sure he was as close as any Jedi ever came to the Dark Side without actually ever crossing over (Luke also came pretty close) but he would never use such an attack unless morality is off.

Also Mace would have trouble dealing with Jack's superior speed.

Doesn't really matter.He'd still win.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by NemeBro
Jack would kill Mace Windu the very moment the fight starts, before Mace can do anything.

are u kidding me? this is simply ignorances on your part. Mace unlike jack is the one who actaully has range abilities capable of ending this right away. Jack is not to fast for mace not even closes, I am not sure were you get your info but its wrong.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Jack can perform equal or superior jumping feats to Mace, only without the Force as a crutch to aid his physique.

it part of maces power so whats your point?

Originally posted by NemeBro
He can push a 600 ton sumo off the top of him.

prove it

Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, Yoda is not only more powerful than Mace Windu, he is the better duelist, since he has often beat him while sparring with Mace.

prove it thats complete and utter bullshit.

yoda is only believed to have beaten mace when he was a padawan or young jedi never when he was a council memember. also the fact Mace out fought palp with light sabers, while yoda could not pretty dam proves mace is the superior duelist.

Originally posted by -Pr-
yoda redirected it by hand. mace needed the saber.

mace had advantages yoda didn't, none of which was superior force power.

he's anakin. he's a tool, remember?

it's not as canon. there are levels of canon in star wars, and iirc the cartoons are a level down from the movies. you CAN take them as canon as you want, but they aren't AS canon as the movies.


Again this logic is very flawed. Yoda first had his light saber and was fighting but had it blasted out of his had with the first lightning shot, while mace was able to hold onto to his light saber from the lightning assault. How does that make yoda better? If anything it make him inferior becuases he was unable to hold on to his light saber. As for yoda redirecting? he was simply blocking it which is why the empiror was not being harmed by it, if he was redirecting as mace had done he would have had the same effected mace had which was pretty much killing palp.

yoda had the same advantage but couldent hold onto his blade.

excuses. (though I hate anikin he so overrated and just meh as a character).

no it most certainly cannon and I am talking movie cannon. It goes against nothing that happen in the movies and was made by lucas him self to tell the story of what happen inbetween the movies.

Black bolt z Mindsets Master

Originally posted by marwash22
force choke is kinda haxx and that's the reason they would win most forum fights. That said, Windu isn't a high-Meta threat.
Yes he is.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not really. Jedi aren't bloodthirsty. That's one of the major things that separates them from the Sith.

Edit: Whether morality is on or off doesn't really matter. Will Mace take a majority? Probably. But its not like he'll stomp Jack. You'd have to be a retard..... with no comprehension skills..... to think that.

Hold on...

mhmm

Yeah I get it now. Nevermind.

Jedi aren't bloodthirsty.But even mace was shown to let himself try to kill palpatine.He killed jango fett.Hes not bloodthirsty but willing to kill if he has too.
Originally posted by -Pr-
yoda had his saber knocked out his hand by it. he was barely ready. even before his hand was gone mace still struggled using his saber.

what they said in TPM is canon, though; why would obi-wan say "even higher than master yoda" if mace was higher? it doesn't make any sense. you compare something to the best more often than not, not the second best.

cartoon isn't as canon as the movies.

Acctually yes it is as canon as the movies.It directly connects what happens bewteen two and three.The current TV show and movie is not canon though.
Originally posted by marwash22
err, Jack jumps 20 feet in the air, over mountain cliffs, with stupid large boulders on his back... mace can't do that. However, he'd stomp jack everytime due to force push/pull/choke.
Physically is obvious jack is far superior.But mace is just as skilled,just as fast,and has a better weapon and the force.I wouldn't say he'd stomp him at all but take a solid majority most of the time.
Originally posted by -Pr-
yoda redirected it by hand. mace needed the saber.

mace had advantages yoda didn't, none of which was superior force power.

he's anakin. he's a tool, remember?

it's not as canon. there are levels of canon in star wars, and iirc the cartoons are a level down from the movies. you CAN take them as canon as you want, but they aren't AS canon as the movies.

Technically IIRC mace never really tried to do it with his hands.Obviously yoda is a good amount more powerful in the force then him but he should be able to do it too.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Jack would kill Mace Windu the very moment the fight starts, before Mace can do anything.

Jack can perform equal or superior jumping feats to Mace, only without the Force as a crutch to aid his physique.

He can push a 600 ton sumo off the top of him.

Jack being in low meta is far too low, he is at the bare minimum mid, probably more like high meta though.

Also, Yoda is not only more powerful than Mace Windu, he is the better duelist, since he has often beat him while sparring with Mace.

No...completely false

Force as a crutch?Mace is a normal human with the force and has jumping feats on par with jack.

600 ton?Or 600 pound?Very different.

I'd say more mid.

Mace is the better duelist with a lightsaber but yoda is much better with the force.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

^ Just as skilled? You sure? Now how much it will matter in an actual fight is up for debate but Jack is certainly more skilled than Mace in physical combat. He pretty much mastered every martial art on Earth.