Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Skill means very little when discussing Meta Tiers. We've been over this.

The lightsaber is a Low Meta level piece of gear based on feats. Its not like we're talking about Mjolnir or a Green Lantern Ring.

Where did he display these "high level force powers"? I can recall him using force push once or twice and using the force to amp his agility.

Him being incredibly stubborn when it comes to dying isn't Mid Meta worthy. If "he can't die" was that important to tier placement then Alucard from Hellsing would be Skyfather.

Him taking on Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the same time is a testament to skill, not power.

High Meta? Are you insane?

No but its still a powerful weapon.

He wouldn't be a sith if he were not a high level force user.

It shows hes hard to kill.Not worth that much but worth something.

Wouldn't it be both?Showing he can kill a jedi master that would be around mid-high meta and his padawan that would be low meta at the same time?

I usually rate as sometimes like an inbetween.Like he would be between mid and high meta but leaning a little more towards mid.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
^ Again being difficult to kill/unable to die isn't on its own that important. Otherwise Mr Immortal would be Skyfather or Abstract.

But your not making any sense.Hes powerful because hes one of the stronger sith and is very very hard to kill.Why your saying skyfather or abstract doesn't make much sense because he can be defeated and I only suggested low herald.Hes in the same ball park as nihilus who is an established low herald.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
We have?It doesn't mean little but it doesn't mean as much

No but its still a powerful weapon.

He wouldn't be a sith if he were not a high level force user.

It shows hes hard to kill.Not worth that much but worth something.

Wouldn't it be both?Showing he can kill a jedi master that would be around mid-high meta and his padawan that would be low meta at the same time?

I usually rate as sometimes like an inbetween.Like he would be between mid and high meta but leaning a little more towards mid.

So what? A lightsaber doesn't make you Mid Meta. Period.

So no feats then? We can't assume he has high level force powers just because he's Sith.

Where does it even state that he didn't die from being cut in half? All I can remember is that some people found his corpse and turned him into a Cyborg and later people called up his spirit (or some crap like that).

Lol Qui Gon wasn't Mid-High Meta either. Very few Jedi are above Low Meta. Also he fought them in a lightsaber duel: IE a contest of skill not power.

He has done nothing to even warrant any sane person considering him High Meta. You've yet to offer any convincing argument that he's even Mid Meta. GTFO with that "Mid-High Meta" crap.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So being ubable to be killed except by a good speech(and knowledge of how he heals)or disintigration?

But your not making any sense.Hes powerful because hes one of the stronger sith and is very very hard to kill.Why your saying skyfather or abstract doesn't make much sense because he can be defeated and I only suggested low herald.Hes in the same ball park as nihilus who is an established low herald.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Skill is very important when determining street rank, mostly because street levelers usually have human or slightly enhanced stats. When you break into Meta tiers skill becomes less of a concern.

So what? A lightsaber doesn't make you Mid Meta. Period.

So no feats then? We can't assume he has high level force powers just because he's Sith.

Where does it even state that he didn't die from being cut in half? All I can remember is that some people found his corpse and turned him into a Cyborg and later people called up his spirit (or some crap like that).

Lol Qui Gon wasn't Mid-High Meta either. Very few Jedi are above Low Meta. Also he fought them in a lightsaber duel: IE a [b]contest of skill not power.

He has done nothing to even warrant any sane person considering him High Meta. You've yet to offer any convincing argument that he's even Mid Meta. GTFO with that "Mid-High Meta" crap.

Nihilus had a lot more feats. Actual offensive powers. What does Sion have? [/B]

No.But other powers along with great skill with a lightsaber does.

Thats one of the prerequisites of being a jedi much less a sith.

He had to be given new legs but he survived after being cut in half and a (don't know where I heard this and not sure if its correct but)2000 foot fall.

He was IMO.Most jedi are low-mid meta IMO.Then higher jedi like mace windu and yoda are high meta.Then powerful ones like bane,sion,nihilus,exar kunn are low herald.But none above that.Also power is part of the with code.So your saying that you don't need power to win a fight?Guess thor only uses skill.

Its just the way I do things.I'd consider him mid-high meta.

High skill with a lightsaber and force powers.Trying to look up specifics but for some reason my wikipedia isn't working....other powers include not being able to die by pretty much anything short of disintigration.That should count for something.

^ You're hopeless. Your argument seems to be "Jedi are Mid-High Meta because they're Jedi"

Darth Maul had no Mid Meta feats. Period. End of story.

Are the tiers in this relatively analogous to the tiers for comic characters?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Less but not non-existant

No.But other powers along with great skill with a lightsaber does.

Thats one of the prerequisites of being a jedi much less a sith.

He had to be given new legs but he survived after being cut in half and a (don't know where I heard this and not sure if its correct but)2000 foot fall.

He was IMO.Most jedi are low-mid meta IMO.Then higher jedi like mace windu and yoda are high meta.Then powerful ones like bane,sion,nihilus,exar kunn are low herald.But none above that.Also power is part of the with code.So your saying that you don't need power to win a fight?Guess thor only uses skill.

Its just the way I do things.I'd consider him mid-high meta.

High skill with a lightsaber and force powers.Trying to look up specifics but for some reason my wikipedia isn't working....other powers include not being able to die by pretty much anything short of disintigration.That should count for something.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Are the tiers in this relatively analogous to the tiers for comic characters?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
^ You're hopeless. Your argument seems to be "Jedi are Mid-High Meta because they're Jedi"

Darth Maul had no Mid Meta feats. Period. End of story.

Originally posted by amnesia
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Originally posted by Black bolt z
What would you consider to be a mid meta feat?And no that is not my argument. What?

For reference Black Canary is a Low Meta and her sonic scream once shattered a mountain.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Just some examples:
Running at supersonic speeds, destroying entire city blocks, generating force fields strong enough to resist rockets, that sort of thing.

For reference Black Canary is a [b]Low Meta and her sonic scream once shattered a mountain. [/B]

Every has high end feats.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So your telling me mr fantastic,invisible woman,thing,and sub mariner can do that sort of thing?And they are high meta.

Every has high end feats.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Don't even try comparing Darth Maul to the Fantastic Four. They make him look like a Streetleveler.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So your saying that mr. fantastic could beat darth maul?

But that doesn't matter since battle matchups don't determine tier placement.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Probably.

But that doesn't matter since battle matchups don't determine tier placement.

Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Link, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl,

IMO most sith or jedi could handle most of these people.Obviously we have disagreeing opinions.I'd call darth maul mid-high meta.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
True.But he'd be in the same ball park.I mean this is the list of mid metas.

Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Link, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl,

IMO most sith or jedi could handle most of these people.Obviously we have disagreeing opinions.I'd call darth maul mid-high meta.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Your opinion is based on shoddy ABC logic. Please stop. Darth Maul is Elite Street to Low Meta in all honesty. If he had some actual good force showings he might be higher but simply having a lightsaber isn't enough to make someone Mid Meta.

What do you mean actual good force showings?What showings does vader have besides choking?Its not just the lightsaber.IMO hes mid meta.

And how exactly is it based on ABC logic?Now your just making stuff up.

Yoda is maybe high meta.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
In all honesty thats your opinion.

What do you mean actual good force showings?What showings does vader have besides choking?Its not just the lightsaber.IMO hes mid meta.

And how exactly is it based on ABC logic?Now your just making stuff up.

Vader has a lot of Force feats in the EU, a lot more than Maul.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
True.But he'd be in the same ball park.I mean this is the list of mid metas.

Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Link, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl,

IMO most sith or jedi could handle most of these people.Obviously we have disagreeing opinions.I'd call darth maul mid-high meta.

Most Jedi cannot beat most of those guys 😬