Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What part of "battle matchups don't decide tier placements" don't you understand? 😂

People will often use ad hoc reasoning, This person beat this person, and so forth.

The worf effect is valid. If an enemy picks up a building we know he's strong. If the hero then takes the enemies hit, we know the hero to be durable from a match up fight that occured.

While it's not the only deciding factor the worf effect is often invoked to prove a character's might.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The fact that this isn't completely true.

People will often use ad hoc reasoning, This person beat this person, and so forth.

The worf effect is valid. If an enemy picks up a building we know he's strong. If the hero then takes the enemies hit, we know the hero to be durable from a match up fight that occured.

While it's not the only deciding factor the worf effect is often invoked to prove a character's might.

(Current Established Standings)

(Changes in Bold)

Abstract Level:
Ascended Ancients (as a race) [Stargate SG-1], Dialga [Pokemon], Palkia [Pokemon], Q [Star Trek: TNG],

Skyfather Level:
Pyron,

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent) Level:
Z, Unicron

Herald Level:

Elite Herald:

High:
KOS-MOS (Full Power), Nono Diebuster, Son Goku (SSJ4),

Middle:
Aku, Dante (DMC - Sparda Form), Popeye (w/Spinach)

Low
Darth Nihilus, Ganondorf, Godzilla, King Ghidorah, Mew-Two, Sephiroth, Ultraman

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" Level):

Elite Meta:
Fuma [X], Kamui[X], Kratos, Nappa,

High:
Blossom, Bubbles, Buttercup, Crocodile, Galvatron, Guyver, Happosai, Iron Giant, Kenshiro, Mega Man, Samus Aran, Sora (Kingdom Hearts), Sun Wukong (The Monkey King)

Middle:
Alex Mercer, Dante (DMC), Harry Potter, Itachi Uchiha, Kain, Link, Mace Windu, Masamune Date, Michael Corvin (Underworld), Popeye (w/o Spinach), Sarah Kerrigan (Zergified), Seras,

Low:
Data [Star Trek: TNG], Father [KND], K', Phantom Limb, Ranma Saotome, Rurouni Kenshin, Ryouga Hibiki, Ryu Hayabasa, Samurai Jack, Vash the Stampede,

Street Level:

Elite Street:
Afro Samurai, Brock Samson, Riddick

High:
Angel , Buffy the Vampire Slayer, John Rambo, Spike Spiegel,

Middle:
Chewbacca, Huo Yuanjia (Fearless)], Teal'c (Stargate SG1)

Low:
Sly Cooper

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(Votes/Still in discussion)

Abstract Level:
Ascended Ancients (as a race) [Stargate SG-1](3)*, Dialga [Pokemon](3)*, Haruhi Suzumiya (2), Palkia [Pokemon](3)*, Primus [Transformers](1) , Q (Star Trek: TNG)(9)* , Unicron [Transformers](2)

Disputes: Q (3)

Skyfather Level:
Brolly (1), Dark Schneider (2), Goku (1), Kevin Uxbridge (the Douwd) (2), Kid Buu (1), Pyron (4)*,

Disputes: Brolly (4), Goku (7), Kid Buu (4)

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent) Level:
Belldandy (1), Cthulhu (1), Dark Schneider (1), Hao Asakura [Shaman King] (2), Ideon (2), KOS MOS (2), Orihime Inoue (Bleach) (1), Pyron (1), Sargeras (1), Unicron (3)*

Disputes: Orihime Inoue (Bleach) (2)

Herald Level:

Elite Herald:
Broly (1), Castiel (Supernatural)(1), Frieza (1), Hatchyack (1), Perfect Cell (1)

High Herald:
Alucard (1), Captain Hero [Drawn Together](1), Dark Scneider (1), Dark Willow [Buffy](2) , Guyver Dreadnaught (1), Kain from Legacy of Kain (1), Lexx (1), Naruto(1), Nono Diebuster (4)*, Pyron (2),

Disputes: Alucard (1), Kain (1),

Mid Herald:
Aku (3)*, Alucard (1), Anubis and Jehuty (1), Broly (1), Captain Hero [Drawn Together](2), Galaxia(2), Goku (1), Ichigo (1), Illyria [Full Power](2), Jasmine[Angel](1) , Kelthuzad (1), Kain from Legacy of Kain (2), Lina Inaverse (1), Nappa (1), Neo (2) Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (1), Sailor Moon (2), Ultimate Gravion (1), Voltron (Lionforce)(2), War (Darksiders) (1), Yusuke (1),

Disputes: Alucard (1), Kain (1), Kenshiro (2), Kel'Thuzad (1), Nappa (1), Neo (1), Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (2), Voltron (2),

Low Herald:
Aang (Avatar State)(3), Adria (SG1)(1), Akira (2), Alucard (1), Dark Samus (2), Devilman (1), Edward Elric (1), Freddy Krueger (2), Godzilla (3)*, Gouki (1), Hancock(2), Kenshiro (2), King Ghidorah (3)* , KOS MOS (Weakest)(2), Lich King (1), Lucy (Elfen Lied) (1), Master Asia (2), Mega Man (1), Mr Selactia (1), Nappa (1), Rugal Bernstein (1), SDF-1 (Macross)(1), Thorim (1), Ultraman (3)*

Disputes: Aang (Avatar State)(3), Alucard (1), Hancock(1), Kenshiro (2), Mega Man (2),

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" Level):

Elite Meta:
Aang (Avatar State)(2), The Beast (2), Archimonde [Warcraft III](1), Dante (Sparda Form) (2), Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious(1) , Freddy Krueger (1), Fuma ( X )(3)*, Glorificus (1), Iron Giant (4)*, Kamui ( X )(3)*, Kratos (3)*, Megaman X (1), Nappa (3)*, Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (1), Sylar (Heroes)(2), Tekkaman Blade (2), Wargreymon (1)

Disputes: Aang (Avatar State)(1)

High Meta:
Aang (Avatar State)(1), Aizen Sousuke (2), Alucard (1), The Beast(2), Blossom (3)*, Bubbles (3)*, Buttercup (3)*, Crocodile (3)*, Cutie Honey (1), Dante (DMC) (1), Darth Vader (2), Dio Brando (2), Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious (2) , Eva [Wall-E](1), Finn (Adventure Time) (1), Galvatron (3)*, Glorificus (1), Gouki (2), Gul'dan (1), Guyver (3)*, Illidan Stormrage (1), K' (1), Kain(1), Kenshiro (3)*, Khayman (The Vampire Chronicles)(1), Mace Windu (1) , Master Asia (2), Mega Man (4)*, Naruto (2), Neo (1), Raiden (1), Rand Al'Thor (1), Rob Lucci (1), Rugal Bernstein (1), Ryu Hayabusa (all equip) (1), Samus (3)*, Sephiroth (2), Shao Khan (1), Shin Bison (1), Skull Knight (2), Sora (Kingdom Hearts)(3)*, Sun Wukong (The Monkey King(3)*, Veritech Fighter (Macross)(1), Walter Dornez (1),

Disputes: K (1), Naruto (2), Samus Aran (1), Walter Dornez (1)

Mid Meta:
Agent (Crackdown, Max Stats)(1), Aizen Sousuke (2), Alita (2), Alex Mercer(4)*, Alucard (2), Archimonde(1), The Beast (1), Cutie Honey (1), Darth Maul (2) , Darth Vader (1) , Edward Elric (1), Father [KND] (2) , Firelord Ozai (1), Gizmoduck(1), Hans Gunsche (1), Hercules [Disney](1), Illyria (Depowered)(1), Inuyasha (1), Jessie (Kyle XY)(1), K' (1), Kel'Thuzad (1), Kessler (2), Kirby (1) , Kyle Tregar (Kyle XY)(1), Legato (2), Lion-O (2), Mace Windu (3)*, Masamune Date (3)*, Master Chief (1), Mega Man (2), Michael Corvin (Underworld)(3)*, Mr. Incredible (2), Naruto (2), Paladin Anderson (1), Panthro (2), Recca (1), Richter Belmont (Castlevania)(1), Ryu Hayabusa (1), Samus Aran (1), Samurai Jack(1), Sarah Kerrigan (Zergified)(3)*, Sing (1), Sephiroth, (1), Sora (Kingdom Hearts)(1), Tessai [Ninja Scroll](1), Tetsuo Shima (Akira)(1), Zohan (1),

Disputes: Alucard (1), Alex Mercer (1), Goku (base form) (1)

Low Meta:
Afro Samurai (2), Alex Mercer (2), Alita (BAA) (1), Batou (1), Benisato (Ninja Scroll)(1), Bowser (2), Caerula Sanquis (2), Data (Star Trek: TNG)(3)* , Dune Freman (1), Edward Elric (FMA)(2), Evangelion Unit 01 (1), Father [KND] (3)* , Gara (BASTARD!!) (1), Gear [Static Shock](1) , Guts (1), Harry Dresden (2) , Himuru Gemma (Ninja Scroll)(1), Jason Vorhees (2), Kain (1), Kenshiro (2), Killua (1), Kull Warriors (SG1) (1), Lu Bu (2), Mace Windu (1), Makoto Shishio (2), Mario (2), Masamune Date (1), Master Chief (2), Motoko Kusanagi (GITS)(1), Mushizo (Ninja Scroll)(1), Paladin Anderson (1), Phantom Limb (3)*, Raizo (Ninja Assassin) (1), Samurai Jack (3)*, Shijima (Ninja Scroll)(1), Sing (1), Space Ghost (2), Thrall (1), Violet (Ultraviolet)(1), Yurimaru (Ninja Scroll)(1), Zakuro (Ninja Scroll)(1)

Disputes: Alex Mercer (1)

Street Level:

Elite Street:
Achilles (Troy)(2), Afro Samurai (3)*, Asajj ventress (Star Wars)(1), Brock Samson (3)*, Broken Sword [Hero](2) , Bubba (Ducktales)(1), Flying Snow [Hero](2) , Jinno (1), The Kids Next Door [Number 1-5](2), Long Sky [Hero](2) , Lu Bu (2), Nameless [Hero](2) , Po (Kung Fu Panda)(1) , Riddick (5)*, Sagara Sanosuke (1), Samurai Jack (2), Tristan Taylor (Yugioh Abridged)(1) , Vicky (Small Wonder)(1),

Disputes:

High Street:
Bentley (Sly Cooper)(2), Black Mask (1), Boba Fett (2), B.P Vest [C.O.P.S](1), Bushido Brown (1), Captain Falcon (2), Cyrano d’Begerac (2), Data (2), Dune Fremen (1), Dune Sardaukar (1), Goemon Ishikawa XIII (1), Jason Bourne (1), John McClane (1), John Rambo(3)*, Jubei [Ninja Scroll] (1), Kham (The Protector) (1), Kids Next Door [Numbers 1-5](2) , Kurgan (Highlander) (1), Leonidas (300)(1), Lone Wolf and Cub (1), Molotov Cocktease (1), Murray (Sly Cooper)(2), Riddick (1), Sgt. Cortez [Timesplitters](1), Sly Cooper (2), Spike (2), Utsusu Mujuro (Ninja Scroll)(1)

Disputes:

Mid Street:
Alan Quartermain (2), Aramis (1), Athos (1), Charles Gunn(1), Charles Foster Offdensen [DethKlok] (2), Darkwing Duck (1), D’Artagnian (2), Dune Sardaukar (1), El Zorro (2), Huey Freeman (1), Huo Yuanjia (Fearless)(3)*, Mr. Miyagi (Karate Kid)(1), Porthos (1), Ronon Dex (2), Riddick (1), Worf (2)

Disputes:

Low Street:
Aramis (2), Athos (2), Blondie (2), Captain Kirk (1), Lone Ranger (1), Lupin III (1), Porthos (2), Teyla Emmagan (SG:A)(1)

Disputes: Three Musketeers (1)

Notes:

* = Enough votes for placement (3+)

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not in-Universe. I'm talking about "X should be in Mid Meta cuz he'd assrape anyone in the Low Meta tier currently". That's faulty reasoning because certain characters can actually defeat much more powerful enemies by exploiting weaknesses/concentrating on their strengths. If that kind of reasoning were to be the basis on which we determined tiers then Batman would be Mid Meta because given the proper circumstances he can defeat a lot of people in the first two Meta tiers.

I don't think Darth Maul has any business being Mid Meta.

Edit: Sure thing, if I can count on your support for Kevin Uxbrigde to Skyfather.

Edit 2: Also I support Lupin III for Low Street and Leonidas from 300 for High Street

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think Darth Maul has any business being Mid Meta.

Edit: Sure thing, if I can count on your support for Kevin Uxbrigde to Skyfather.

Edit 2: Also I support Lupin III for Low Street and Leonidas from 300 for High Street

Lupin is at least mid street. Some of his feats are way up ther if nothing else than The Castle of Cagliostro ...

For another Star Trek: TNG nomination, I say The Traveler (in his pedo pajamas) for High Meta. He didn't show any offensive, defensive or durability feats, but he had the power to convert thought to reality (in terms of propulsion and motion), caused the Enterprise to travel over a billion light years to the edge of their universe where thought became reality through interfacing with their warp drive, and had the power to manipulate time/space and warp fields with his mind.

He was also, however, exceedingly androgynous and prone to "warp-gasms", and had the power to not make Wesley look like the gayest person on screen when he was present. That alone is a herald level feat.

Originally posted by illadelph12
For another Star Trek: TNG nomination, I say The Traveler (in his pedo pajamas) for High Meta. He didn't show any offensive, defensive or durability feats, but he had the power to convert thought to reality (in terms of propulsion and motion), caused the Enterprise to travel over a billion light years to the edge of their universe where thought became reality through interfacing with their warp drive, and had the power to manipulate time/space and warp fields with his mind.

He was also, however, exceedingly androgynous and prone to "warp-gasms", and had the power to not make Wesley look like the gayest person on screen when he was present. That alone is a herald level feat.

For Broly to mid herald, Frieza to low herald. Megaman to high meta. Changing my vote for Crocodile to Elite Meta (the category didn't exist back then).

No thanks to Kubo, I'm thinking Aizen may have to be bumped up the tier list soon.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think Darth Maul has any business being Mid Meta.

Edit: Sure thing, if I can count on your support for Kevin Uxbrigde to Skyfather.

Edit 2: Also I support Lupin III for Low Street and Leonidas from 300 for High Street

Originally posted by Bentley
For Broly to mid herald, Frieza to low herald. Megaman to high meta. Changing my vote for Crocodile to Elite Meta (the category didn't exist back then).

Can I nominate darth sion for low herald?He is a very powerful sith along as powerful as nihilus.Darth sion has the ability to stay alive by use all his anger and hatred.Pretty much hes a walking corpse held together by the dark side.He can really only be completely killed by being disintigrated.He was only killed by being convinced to let go of his hatred and let himself die.I'd say thats probably above meta but below high herald.

Heres his picture just to show you what he keeps together.

Slicing off body parts doesn't work.Very little does.

K, gonna add a buncha votes to people in discussion.

+1 to the current placings of:
- Q (Star Trek: TNG)
- Kevin Uxbridge (Star Trek: TNG)
- Yusuke
- Data (Star Trek: TNG)
- Worf (Star Trek: TNG)

Dispute votes
- Mega Man to High Meta
- Base Form Goku at Mid Meta
- Samurai Jack at Mid Meta

New recommendation
- Megaman X and Zero (Megaman X series) to Low Herald.

X has stated limitless potential and is an all around better version than the Mega Man in Elite/High Meta. X is also the most powerful thing on his planet Earth and may or may not be a stated planetary threat (though he cannot bust a planet. He'd just destroy everything on it).

Zero is capable of matching this when filled with the Sigma Virus. It powers him up.

Something's wrong with your image code....

Some of those votes for placement are so out of whack... how on earth is Orihime a sub-skyfather.... 😖

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Something's wrong with your image code....

Some of those votes for placement are so out of whack... how on earth is Orihime a sub-skyfather.... 😖

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I think he does.

Very few Jedi or Sith really warrant anything higher than Low Meta.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why? He was skilled and agile and his dual saber was deadly but that alone doesn't make him Mid Meta. Mid Meta guys should be able to do things like wreck entire city blocks. Maul's force powers weren't really that impressive, he was just an uber duelist.

Very few Jedi or Sith really warrant anything higher than Low Meta.

Mid-high meta sounds right for maul.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I disagree.Highly skilled with one of the more deadly weapons even compared to comics,high level force powers,being sliced in half like 3 times without dying,taking on two jedi who alone would probably mid and low meta.He could easily collapse buildings.

Mid-high meta sounds right for maul.

The lightsaber is a Low Meta level piece of gear based on feats. Its not like we're talking about Mjolnir or a Green Lantern Ring.

Where did he display these "high level force powers"? I can recall him using force push once or twice and using the force to amp his agility.

Him being incredibly stubborn when it comes to dying isn't Mid Meta worthy. If "he can't die" was that important to tier placement then Alucard from Hellsing would be Skyfather.

Him taking on Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the same time is a testament to skill, not power.

High Meta? Are you insane?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I relized.I forget am I supposed to put the whole URL in?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I think he does. I second all of these.

Can I nominate darth sion for low herald?He is a very powerful sith along as powerful as nihilus.Darth sion has the ability to stay alive by use all his anger and hatred.Pretty much hes a walking corpse held together by the dark side.He can really only be completely killed by being disintigrated.He was only killed by being convinced to let go of his hatred and let himself die.I'd say thats probably above meta but below high herald.

Heres his picture just to show you what he keeps together.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://edandmari.com/starwars/images/DarthSion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://edandmari.com/starwars/Lords.html&usg=__lFK14IsV58hBTF-4Z2827oLn9uQ=&h=480&w=640&sz=26&hl=en&start=1&sig2=wkbnUzvlGBaOIvkMQh1X8A&tbnid=0jgQG4fuWNgcFM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&ei=6FBfTIrEIIWglAeWuvGTCQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddarth%2Bsion%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D641%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ossus.pl/images/4/47/DSionkorriban.jpg&imgrefurl=http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars_community/b10012/30677336/r30691248/&usg=__aGrEL2lvFz3J9AjGwJ6g73fZpPs=&h=624&w=389&sz=156&hl=en&start=0&sig2=5eiVJo9TBRcLf63FNiFHKA&tbnid=TRRHjjdS7q3SZM:&tbnh=154&tbnw=105&ei=6FBfTIrEIIWglAeWuvGTCQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddarth%2Bsion%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D641%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=900&vpy=85&dur=1245&hovh=284&hovw=177&tx=99&ty=147&oei=6FBfTIrEIIWglAeWuvGTCQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0

Slicing off body parts doesn't work.Very little does.

^ Again being difficult to kill/unable to die isn't on its own that important. Otherwise Mr Immortal would be Skyfather or Abstract.