Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by amnesia
Can we talkz about real animu now?

Originally posted by XanatosForever
I forget. Did anyone ever nod my nominations of the Powerpuff girls as Mid Meta individually and Mid Herald as a team? Listening to some of the arguments now I'm thinking the team should drop to maybe Low Herals or Elite Meta, but I still say each girl can stand on Mid Meta by themselves.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
The burta thing was fast but nothing else was ever shown like that. And it doesn't work like that.Either you let creshoks logic work and yours or neither. He could break cities.I could see sion collapsing buildings where I can't see mace windu doing that. No physical strength. Goku has also dodged bullets by waving back and forth no farther then a foot.....

Where was it stated it was only 5%? Gohan one shotted freiza.With one punch.I don't see why the movies are non-canon if someone can explain this to me.They are made by akira...so...why?

I could care less whether or not you "could see him" doing anything.

Because Anime isn't canon, just the Manga.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No he wouldn't.Superman would probably STOMP him. Nuke like=/=actual nuke.And just because they create large shockwaves doesn't mean that they could KO superman....somehow you seem to be getting that idea. If all his showings are high showings wouldn't those be considered his average showings? Didn't read the other post.Thanks for the correction as well. But carver heres the flaw with your argument.Its the same reason thanos can stomp superman.Superman can tank freizas punches very easily. Whos that?

WOW... Superman isnt stomping Frieza. Superman has never just withstood punches like the punching power Frieza was showing. That crazy for you to think he would tank those punches. I'll say it like this; in my eyes, frieza punches is FAR more powerful than Colossus and I cant see Superman or Thor tanking punches from Colossus.

I agree, Thanos would stomp Superman (not the kind of stomp you are talking about) but what does that have to do with Frieza.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
For anyone who doubts Superman's durability, I give you this:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/sb-04-19.jpg
Later on it was shown that the attack Hawkman used didn't actually even KO Superman: he was playing possum.

Force of the planet translated into a punch. No DBZ character has ever displayed blunt durability anywhere close to that level. It makes "getting punched through mountains" (and as fanboys always leave out, getting lots of obvious cuts, bruises, and scratches as a result) look like child's play.

Never that much blunt durability?Thats all they have.They have shown to be very susceptible to cutting and piercing but very hgih bulnt force trama durability.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Like DBZ?DBZ is epic but carver is very very very much over rating them. I'll say mid meta individually.But as a team I don't think can be rated.

They are either getting over rated or under rated.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I'll say mid meta individually.But as a team I don't think can be rated.

Right, I remember that now. So that's one nod for Blossom, Bubbles, and Buttercup as Mid Meta individually. Anyone else?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
The burta thing was fast but nothing else was ever shown like that. And it doesn't work like that.Either you let creshoks logic work and yours or neither. He could break cities.I could see sion collapsing buildings where I can't see mace windu doing that. No physical strength. Goku has also dodged bullets by waving back and forth no farther then a foot.....

Where was it stated it was only 5%? Gohan one shotted freiza.With one punch.I don't see why the movies are non-canon if someone can explain this to me.They are made by akira...so...why?

Why do they have to show in EVERY fight or movement them moving at time stopping speed. That one showing should have been enough for you to recognize their speed.

I dont know what you mean by Creshoks logic.

Goku wasnt even powered up when he fought Burta and Jeice, the only time he powered up was against his fight with Ginyu. Ginyu even stated that Goku was holding back his true power.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
You mean cuts bruises and scratches that that make it look more realistic.Just because they get cuts in a detailed anime where superman doesn't doesn't mean their durability is worse.Most DBZ characters have worse durability but its still a bad argument.

Never that much blunt durability?Thats all they have.They have shown to be very susceptible to cutting and piercing but very hgih bulnt force trama durability.

Here's the shape Superman was in after taking the force of the planet to his face:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/sb-04-21.jpg
A small trickle of blood. That's it. Not even a black eye.

Also your argument that the DBZ characters only bleed because Anime has more detail is hilarious. Its basic logic that comics and manga are more detailed than Anime and Animation because for the latter you need to streamline design in order to cut down on production time.

Their blunt durability isn't anywhere close to Superman's, end of story.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Okay see there's something majorly wrong with this.

(1) I don't recall there ever being a case where any planet destroyer in DBZ was oneshot by a physical blow, which is what you're arguing here: physical strength.
(2) How does being a planet destroyer matter in terms of tanking a punch? Are you suggesting that being able to destroy a planet with energy attacks automatically gives you super durability? Dark Phoenix and Classic Strange are both examples of planet busters with human level durability (at least naturally).

Frieza tanked a planet destroying blast while being at his weakest.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, it was stated NUMEROUS of times how long the fight was going on and how many minutes were left.

Its pretty obvious that their combat speed is faster than their flight. Goku reflexes alone blocked bullets from multiple of machine guns and lets not forget, Goku punched a tree which had at least a hundred apples and Gohun caught each and every one of them before they hit the ground. Them fighting so fast that rocks are floating in mid air, etc.... The flight speed that they have is crap in my opinion but I think that is because they try to conserve their energy instead of wasting it on flight.

Goku had to at least be twice as fast as burta since Burta was teamed with Jeice and they were still unable to even touch Gokus suit. Even Jeice mentioned it "He is fast; look at him, he is TOYING with Burta" and Goku wasnt even using 5% of his true power while fighting burta.

Fair enough. But now I notice the thing about monologues being longer than the five minutes.

Cool. He can be a bullet timer in speed and still fly as fast as it looks like he's going when he's thousands of feet in the air. This is possible because in combat reflexes like that they move over much shorter distances. So, if I can block a bullet with one arm, it will look as fast as greased lightning. But if I were somehow able to stretch that movement over a distances of say, miles, it's going to look a lot less fast.

Rocks floating in midair is not impressive. They float in mid air when Goku decides to tense his body and shout for thirty seconds. So I'll need confirmation that this is speed feet and not a side effect of the energy being expelled from the fighter's bodies.

Except that this implies Jeice is as fast as Burter and that Burter can fight as fast as he can fly. Can you prove these things?

This whole last part follows some bad logic. I'll explain it by making it a little wordier so it doesn't skip over any ideas.

"Burter can fly so fast that time itself appears to stop. He can fight as fast as he can fly. Since Goku fought both Jeice and Burter at the same time he is twice as fast as Burter. These two can fight so fast that time appears to stop, but Jeice can see this all despite not having that level of speed. Goku was only using 5% of his power, therefore he is only using 5% of his speed."

There are a lot of connections you're just making way too large, Carver. A power level of 1,000 doesn't make you twice as good in every way as someone with a power level of 500. At least if it does, you can't prove it.

Speaking of Dragon Ball Z... I don't care about Dragon Ball Z...

Can we discuss something else now?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes it does mean their durability is worse. If they get cut on abrasion with ordinary rock (albeit while traveling at considerable velocities) then they're not even worth mentioning in a durability contest with Superman.

Here's the shape Superman was in after taking the force of the planet to his face:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/sb-04-21.jpg
A small trickle of blood. That's it. Not even a black eye.

Also your argument that the DBZ characters only bleed because Anime has more detail is hilarious. Its basic logic that comics and manga are more detailed than Anime and Animation because for the latter you need to streamline design in order to cut down on production time.

Their blunt durability isn't anywhere close to Superman's, end of story.

Your logic failed, look at how Superman was after this punch that knocked him through a wall or how about Despero clawing him across the face or Grundy knocking him on his a** with a brick.

http://i42.tinypic.com/iejh4x.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Speaking of Dragon Ball Z... I don't care about Dragon Ball Z...

Can we discuss something else now?

I post humorous clip (ok it was 1/3 of a episode) of a great animu, yet no response 🙁

C'MON LETS DANCE C'MON LETS DANCE BAABY

Originally posted by amnesia
But it doesn't.

And damnit, you made me take him off ignore because I thought he said something about Haruhi.

Bulbasaur to low meta?

What level Bulbasaur? 313

I propose Leeloo (sp?) from the Fifth Element for Mid Street.

Also John McClane for Low Street. I'd rank him higher but his fight with the faux-Asian girl from Live Free or Die Hard didn't say much for his h/h skills against anyone with any kind of skill.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
They call him a wound in the force.I just think being one of the most powerful with of all time along with not being able to be KO'd would make him at least elite meta. No offense but I think thats bullshit.Thats like carver trying to being in his logic of goku moving faster then a bullet or something like that.Theres a delay to show the blast hitting then the planet exploding.

AFTER the blast hits the planet there is a delayed period of time of a few episodes and a few chapters before the planet explodes.

I'm NOT the time in between the blast being fired and the blast hitting the planet.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What level Bulbasaur? 313

My friends started calling that "pretty pretty instagib".

Its the move where the more the pokemon loves you the stronger the attack.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Fair enough. But now I notice the thing about monologues being longer than the five minutes.

Cool. He can be a bullet timer in speed and still fly as fast as it looks like he's going when he's thousands of feet in the air. This is possible because in combat reflexes like that they move over much shorter distances. So, if I can block a bullet with one arm, it will look as fast as greased lightning. But if I were somehow able to stretch that movement over a distances of say, miles, it's going to look a lot less fast.

Rocks floating in midair is not impressive. They float in mid air when Goku decides to tense his body and shout for thirty seconds. So I'll need confirmation that this is speed feet and not a side effect of the energy being expelled from the fighter's bodies.

Except that this implies Jeice is as fast as Burter and that Burter can fight as fast as he can fly. Can you prove these things?

This whole last part follows some bad logic. I'll explain it by making it a little wordier so it doesn't skip over any ideas.

"Burter can fly so fast that time itself appears to stop. He can fight as fast as he can fly. Since Goku fought both Jeice and Burter at the same time he is twice as fast as Burter. These two can fight so fast that time appears to stop, but Jeice can see this all despite not having that level of speed. Goku was only using 5% of his power, therefore he is only using 5% of his speed."

There are a lot of connections you're just making way too large, Carver. A power level of 1,000 doesn't make you twice as good in every way as someone with a power level of 500. At least if it does, you can't prove it.

I can tell you will never agree with me but I'm going to post to your replies because we are here to debate.

It was 5 minutes unless you want to take away from what Akira was trying to state in the comic.

I was never impressed by DBZ flight speed but you could be right but I will always think that they're flight speed is crap because it is in no comparison to their combat speed. These are people that is invisible during combat but when flying, people see them going by. Like I said before, I think they could fly faster, just like it took Vegeta seconds to fly around planet Namek but I think they try to conserve energy.

UUUUMMM, the only time, ONLY TIME, rocks float around DBZ characters is when they are powering up. It showed Gohun and Buu moving at Super speed and even slowed it down for us and the rocks were still floating. There were no powering up involved, just fighting.

Another thing, the more powerful you are, the more faster, stronger, more durable you are so there really isnt a need for me to prove that Goku was much faster than his previous self that fought Burta when that is common sense.