Originally posted by CreshoskWait...what?We were talking about the timeline and contradictions...i'm confused now 😕
We were talking about bardock that takes place as a flashback.If he could do what's being claimed why didn't he sooner? If he has the power to one shot a planet casually while in his first form why didn't he?
Why did it take so long?
Given the executive meddling that was all over the place in Dragonball and DragonBallZ It seems obvious that the bardock special was merely added as extra story to ilk from the customers based off of two panels.
That's fine, you're not being "Superman can't take a punch from colossus" about it.
Even if they don't intentionally set it up, each different medium that has elements that are not part of the previous story or don't fit
Indicate an alternate universe. Where the story is different and the characters are not the same characters.
Unless you'd like to tell me where that occurs?
Or like in the movie with janemba when both Goku and Vegeta are dead in hell together? or when the "undead apocalypse" takes place in the anime?
Oh the planet busting bardock thing.I wouldn't call that non canon but its so far above his other feats that it might be PIS.But in the magna didn't vegeta say his blast could destroy the planet?Freiza in even first form>>>>>>>>>>Him....so....it is a wanked feat but impressive none-the-less.
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How does that not fit?I thought it was between buu saga and GT...
Originally posted by Omega VisionNot just durability.But the ability to not be KO'd.Period.Not being knocked unconscious.
Durability alone does not a High Meta make. Get off Sion's dick.
Originally posted by NemeBroDefine large object.A twenty ton rock probably not.A one ton-two ton piece of steel or something like that probably.
I could see Collossus setting a large object on him that he could not get out from under.
Originally posted by Omega VisionBut juggernaut has been shown to be able to be Ko'd.Sion not at all.
If durability meant as much as you seem to think it does then Juggernaut would be High Herald rather than Low Herald.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Wait...what?We were talking about the timeline and contradictions...i'm confused now 😕Oh the planet busting bardock thing.I wouldn't call that non canon but its so far above his other feats that it might be PIS.But in the magna didn't vegeta say his blast could destroy the planet?Freiza in even first form>>>>>>>>>>Him....so....it is a wanked feat but impressive none-the-less.
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How does that not fit?I thought it was between buu saga and GT...
Not just durability.But the ability to not be KO'd.Period.Not being knocked unconscious.Define large object.A twenty ton rock probably not.A one ton-two ton piece of steel or something like that probably. But juggernaut has been shown to be able to be Ko'd.Sion not at all.
Also Classic Juggernaut was never KOed without TP or plot device.
Originally posted by NemeBroI agree
1. Nihilus is already listed for Low Heralds. SInce he has feats that warrant it.2. A little? He can open a ****ing wormhole in space that can destroy fleets and the surface of a planet. He also displayed a weaker version of Nihilus' ability, allowing him to drain the planet Byss slowly. Sidious would make Sion his absolute ass pal. Sion is a joke, he is all but called such by Traya herself.
3. Mass Shadow Generators destroyed the surface of Malachor V.
He? He had an entire army under his command, and had to resort to stealth to do so. Also, the Jedi were not that well-off, on account of Nihilus already killing most of the council when he attacked the Miraluka home world. Kid, you cannot show Sion toppling a Barbie's Playhouse with the force, let alone a building.
I have not read that have sidious.I would still put him at high meta at least.
All of it?And nihilus could still be KO'd in the game which he originated in.Sion only let himself die.
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Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Quantify the difference in power levels. How many points in a power level equal one ton in strength? How many points is the difference between bullet timing and light speed reaction timing? I'm not arguing with you anymore on this. I'll just have to ignore you like everyone else is doing.And to repeat my other stuff 'cause I think it got missed. Well, actually it's more likely nobody cared, but imma post it again anyway.
I already gave you numerous of examples of this. I dont know why I have to keep repeating this. Nappa was at 5000 and Goku was at 9000 and Nappa was unable to touch a Goku that was holding back and his attacks didnt even harm Goku. Now to help you out with this, we have on panel statements of Quicksilver being able to go 93000 mps and we have showings of Flash being able to go the speed of light, I know for a fact that Quick silver will not lay a glove on flash due to flash being double his speed. Same for Nappa and Goku, the speed gap had to be HUGE in order for someone that have Super speed being unable to touch someone else that also have super speed. He couldnt even see Goku moving. Same for Raditz and Goku, Goku had a power level of 550 and Raditz had a power level of 1400 and Goku couldnt even lay a glove on him and ADMITTED that he couldnt even see Raditz movements. Then you have Picollo that is teamed up with Goku swinging at Raditz and combined, they were still unable to lay a glove on him.
All of this is simple... and like I said before, the more powerful you are, the faster, stronger, and more durable you are. Hell, Goku had a powerlevel of 12500 and Vegeta had a power level of 12000 and Goku was faster, stronger, and more durable which gave him the win until Vegeta transformed and cheated.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotEh, I don't like discussing Sora in terms of ability, but at the very least we can confirm he is maybe somewhat supersonic in speed, has a weapon which has supernatural cutting ability, and he does have some hax abilities. Like Stop and the power to summon Genie. 😐
Oh just realised I am confusing the confirmed list with the proposed list.Although I'm curious about how Sora from KH managed into High meta.
Originally posted by Black bolt zThat's what canon refers to continuity.
Wait...what?We were talking about the timeline and contradictions...i'm confused now 😕
What's canon for the manga is not necessarily canon for the anime and vice versa. they are essentially different universes.
Originally posted by Black bolt zThe characters especially the bad guys say a lot of things. A good chunk of them turn out to be false.
Oh the planet busting bardock thing.I wouldn't call that non canon but its so far above his other feats that it might be PIS.But in the magna didn't vegeta say his blast could destroy the planet?Freiza in even first form>>>>>>>>>>Him....so....it is a wanked feat but impressive none-the-less.👆
Originally posted by Black bolt zJanemba Movie Vegeta starts off dead. But, he's alive during the end of the Buu saga. How did Goku and Vegeta both die after the Buu Saga?
How does that not fit?I thought it was between buu saga and GT...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX1E-lqZZz8
Nope. Janemba does NOT fit into the anime timeline.
Originally posted by Black bolt z1. Better.
I agreeI have not read that have sidious.I would still put him at high meta at least.
All of it?And nihilus could still be KO'd in the game which he originated in.Sion only let himself die.
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2. Why? He's hard to kill, and decent with a lightsaber. That's it. Wow, real varied powerset thar.
3. Yes, all of it, the planet is dead. Show me Nihilus being KOed. 🙂 Nihilus had to be weakened three times before the Exile, Mandalore, and Visas could finally kill him. The Exile was tooling Sion herself, and then talked him to death. Also, in cut content, Nihilus KNOCKED SION OUT.
4. What? I'm serious, you cannot prove he has any substantial Force abilities beyond his pain related immortality.
Guys, whatever is going on in here needs to stop now.
Carver, that goes double for you. I'll get PR in here to read some of your highly biased posts regarding Superman.
Everyone, stop the arguing and speak to each other with more civility.
And for all this fanboy influenced bias, I'll get Peach and Rex to see if I should hand out warnings. It's just as bad as trolling in my opinion.
Originally posted by marwash22mmm
i actually thought people were being tame. 🙁
My post was very general. So I didn't read all the posts.
I always use Carver as an example if Quan, Deadline or StarScream M aren't around. biscuits
But the bias and double standard has become a problem in the forum lately.
Maybe a mass temp ban will help. mmm
badawe
Originally posted by Creshosk
From what I saw the only one that was frustrating people was carver. Other than that it appears to have been very civil.From my perspective any way.
I admit that I got out of line as well but my arguments wasnt directed towards any of you, I was talking with Black Bolt and thats when everyone attacked me. I admit, when I get attacked and when I feel as if a character is being downplayed, I down play the character that people are disputing against me with but you are also guilty of that. I can see a lot of people getting warning for this, and I admit, I deserve one as well because I was no better than anyone else here but I see it like this, if you dont like what me or the other person is talking about, I would just stay out of it. I have seen you all talk about Vader along with Maul and I disagree with everything that is said here (except with BlackBolt, he is making good arguments) but I stayed out of it because it was a debate against and with two people that didnt concern me.