Originally posted by Akuki
You're talking about at the very end of the series after he's empowered?Oh and agree with Yuki to low herald, it's pretty hard to judge with that series since it really isn't a fighting series.
In the novels her best feat so far was jacking Haruhi's power and remaking the universe up to 3 years in the past
It was stated that a mysterious line of power that only Washu could see (due to her Chousein nature) interfered with the sub - LHW and cancelled it out, similar to the way that another LHW would cancel it out.
No counter-Actor like you claimed.
No it's not. Show me one canon source that says that he died then.If he had died, Kami Tenchi would have been released, his energy form would have grown as large as the galaxy, and the multiverse would have started to collapse. All that happened was that he was sent to the hyperdimension because he was not used to summoning the energy of 6 LHWs which he had never done before. And what do you mean he didn't take the black hole? It opened right in front of him and he was immediately sucked past the event horizon where the time dilation froze him, but his LHWs activated and negated the time dilation, reduced the power of the black hole's gravity to zero (actually changing the laws of physics), and he escaped. Surviving inside the event horizon of a black hole takes infinitely more durability than taking a planet - destroying attack. The Chobimaru's attack could not have hurt him because it never even hit him. You have continually ignored this point.
Here comes CANON Again........
http://tmau.fateback.com/episodes/ova/20.html
Tenchi places himself in the path of the beam and summons his Light Hawk Wings, "but he is overcome" , and wakes to find himself once again in the strange nexus of time and space!
Here is the same situation when he died against Z
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v11591213ZKHZteN?searchId=5676168117075473766&rank=0
Here it is again when being killed by the Chobimaru!
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1159137e99BZxDK?searchId=988595409534006870&rank=0
YOU look at it again. With 2 LHWs, it's possible to merge together 2 universes (Parallel Dual, which is in continuity with Tenchi Muyo). With 10, you're channeling as much power as the universe can hold (you can't summon 11 in a single universe or the universe will be destroyed). Using the formula for the energy required to generate LHWs (stated in 101 secrets), 3 LHWs require 1/128th of universe destroying power to maintain, 5 require 1/32 of universe destroying power to maintain, and 6 require 1/16th of universe destroying power to maintain.
Endless LIES! None of that is stated in the canon, stop using your own fanfiction theories. Z doesn't say any of that.🙄 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v11591213ZKHZteN?searchId=5676168117075473766&rank=0
You're the one who sounds stupid. Do you even know what the word "vaporize" means? Here, I'll help you:Vaporizing means to turn something into vapor. I can vaporize things in my kitchen. Z can violate the first law of thermodynamics and completely remove matter and energy from existence. That's something far beyond anything any DBZ character can ever do. He can even restore the things he's destroyed afterwards.
More Lies! Vaporize means to evaporate; VANISH!!!! which means remove from existence. IT ALL FALLS UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY!
I already posted the damn definition!
e·vap·o·rate (-vp-rt)
a. To change into vapor.
b. To pass off in or as vapor.
2. To produce vapor.
3. To disappear; vanish:
Way to use the wrong word (evaporate, compared to the one you were just using, vaporize) and then use only the 4th (as in, the least common) definition. But I guess in retard fanboy - land we can ignore all of the other definitions and only pick and choose the evidence that fits our side
DBZ ki blasts are explosive attacks. They blow things apart. They don't remove them from time and space, like Z can. Show me Picollo or Buu restoring something they destroyed back to normal (which they could if they could simply remove it and then restore it like Z could). In fact, Picollo himself stated he couldn't restore the time chamber entrance after he destroyed (while Z easily could have).
1. Vaporize and evaporate are the same, all the definitions fall under the same jurisdiction!
2. Z never removed ANYTHING from existence, yet again you are pulling things out of your @#$@! I gave you the pics showing the moon and earth STILL INTACT (you can even see the debris from the explosions of the parts he blew up). You need to stop lying.
Way to completely misunderstand my post. I said he destroyed the earth, not removed it from time and space. He used a different attack on the Earth than he did on the moon. He removed a section of the moon from time and space. Not to mention he wasn't even seriously trying with either of those attacks, he was just trying to get Tenchi's attention. If you want to see one of his more serious attacks, see how he devastated the Galaxy Police fleet or Tokimi's devices (which are invincible against conventional weaponry).
I didn't misunderstand your post, you said Z destroyed Earth, the episode shows HE DID NOT destroy Earth. The Moon was not removed from existence, The episode shows you can even see the Debris and CHUNKS of the moon after he blows it up! You have LIED yet again by bringing your OWN fanfiction theories into an Anime. Stop Lying and use facts from the canon.
I'd say you finally showed your hypocrisy, but you showed it the first time I ever met you. Way to quote an interview that comes from a post someone made on a forum. Even if it is legit, obviously it doesn't include filler episodes, since they were never in the manga, and in many cases, they directly contradict the manga. I posted manga scans that directly contradicted the filler information, and you still say the anime is right, since you want to pick and choose what to use as canon. You want to use fillers? Then Goku and Picollo can't lift a school bus
Toriyama said the Anime is canon! Toriyama >>>>>> Your opinions! DEAL WITH IT!
Goku can't sense Buu and Gotenks in the time chamber:http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/...sesfail2lu2.gif
New Namek is too far for Goku to teleport to directly:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/...tlimitedmw1.gif
That's obviosuly PIS because I can post Goku Teleporting to heaven and Hell (other Dimensions) I can post Goku teleporting to New Namek in the Cell Saga! I can post Piccolo TELEPATHICALLY communicatting with both Goten and Trunks at the same time! You fail.
DBZ > Tenchi muyo!
Originally posted by Phenomenol
No counter-Actor like you claimed.
Read what I just wrote again. What does that sound like to you? It certainly wasn't the star power.
Here comes CANON Again........
http://tmau.fateback.com/episodes/ova/20.html
Tenchi places himself in the path of the beam and summons his Light Hawk Wings,"but he is overcome" , and wakes to find himself once again in the strange nexus of time and space!
Yes, [b]overcome by the strain of summoing 6 LHWs, which he had never done before. Nowhere does it say that he died. The blast never even hit him. How many times do I need to explain this to you before it gets through your thick head?
Here is the same situation when he died against Z
*snip*
Here it is again when being killed by the Chobimaru!
*snip*
He did not die against the Chobimaru. You have yet to provide one canon source that says so. The Chobimaru's blast never even hit him!. In fact the summary you posted directly contradicts that idea, it says he was sent to the Hyperdimension, not killed.
Need I remind you that when Z bisected him, there were quite a few more effects than simply being sent to the hyperdimension?
None of that stuff happened in the Chobimaru incident.
Endless LIES! None of that is stated in the canon, stop using your own fanfiction theories. Z doesn't say any of that.
Did I ever say he did? Work on your reading comprehension. I said it was in the 101 secrets.
Incidentally, to increase the number of Ko-oh-yoku by one, twice as much energy is needed. (ie, Tsunami uses 2^10/2^3 = 2^7 = 128 times as much as energy.)
It's stated that 10 are the maximum that the third dimension (universe) can hold. 2 can merge two universes together.
More Lies! Vaporize means to evaporate; VANISH!!!! which means remove from existence. IT ALL FALLS UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY!I already posted the damn definition!
*snip*
You posted a definition of the word "evaporate", in which the first 3 (most common) definitions agreed with me, and only the fourth agreed with you. Are you really that dense?
1. Vaporize and evaporate are the same, all the definitions fall under the same jurisdiction!
Then why were you specifically using the word vaporize, and not evaporate, and then using a definition for the word evaporate which is not found under the word vaporize? If you have to use the fourth definition when the first three agree with me, you're really reaching.
2. Z never removed ANYTHING from existence, yet again you are pulling things out of your @#$@! I gave you the pics showing the moon and earth STILL INTACT (you can even see the debris from the explosions of the parts he blew up). You need to stop lying.
Watch it again. He removed a large chunk of the moon from existence. He simply pointed his hand at it, some blue sparkles appeared, and a large chunk of the moon simply disappeared. It didn't explode, it didn't vaporize, it didn't break apart. It just vanished. In addition, he can restore all of the things he's destroyed.
I didn't misunderstand your post, you said Z destroyed Earth, the episode shows HE DID NOT destroy Earth.
Um, yes he did. He specifically targeted Tenchi's residence and blasted it apart, blowing a huge chunk out of the earth (effectively destroying it) just to get Tenchi's attention.
The Moon was not removed from existence, The episode shows you can even see the Debris and CHUNKS of the moon after he blows it up! You have LIED yet again by bringing your OWN fanfiction theories into an Anime. Stop Lying and use facts from the canon.
Stop misinterpreting my posts. He didn't remove the whole moon, he removed a large chunk of it. As I said, he was just toying with Tenchi at the time. Look at the gif.
Toriyama said the Anime is canon! Toriyama >>>>>> Your opinions! DEAL WITH IT!
No, some guy on some forum said that Toriyama said that the anime was canon. And you take it to mean you can use anime scenes when they contradict the manga scenes. 🙄
That's obviosuly PIS because I can post Goku Teleporting to heaven and Hell (other Dimensions) I can post Goku teleporting to New Namek in the Cell Saga!
He couldn't, he had to teleport to North Kaio's planet first (which he was already familiar with) and have North Kaio find New Namek for him. Stop lying.
I can post Piccolo TELEPATHICALLY communicatting with both Goten and Trunks at the same time! You fail.
What does that have to do with anything?
Stop trolling.
DBZ > Tenchi muyo! [/B]
You're a complete idiot. Tenchi Muyo is as far, if not farther above the DBZverse as the DBZverse is above Naruto or Rorouni Kenshin. Tenchi has characters that could literally blink the entirety of the DBZverse out of existence with just a thought.
Read what I just wrote again. What does that sound like to you? It certainly wasn't the star power.
Yeah, because the Star power wasn't even used it was much weaker for some reason.
Yes, overcome by the strain of summoing 6 LHWs, which he had never done before. Nowhere does it say that he died. The blast never even hit him. How many times do I need to explain this to you before it gets through your thick head?He did not die against the Chobimaru. You have yet to provide one canon source that says so. The Chobimaru's blast never even hit him!. In fact the summary you posted directly contradicts that idea, it says he was sent to the Hyperdimension, not killed.Need I remind you that when Z bisected him, there were quite a few more effects than simply being sent to the hyperdimension?None of that stuff happened in the Chobimaru incident.
MORON!!! WHEN Z CUT TENCHI and he DIED where the hell did he Go??? When he tried to block the Chobimaru Beam where the hell did he go??? The SITE even told you Tenchi places himself in the path of the beam and summons his Light Hawk Wings, "but he is overcome" (Meaning he died/defeated) , and wakes to find himself once again in the strange nexus of time and space! Damn you are dense.
Did I ever say he did? Work on your reading comprehension. I said it was in the 101 secrets.
Yeah you did. You said it "took universe destroying power to kill Z," LOL which is a LIE.
You posted a definition of the word "evaporate", in which the first 3 (most common) definitions agreed with me, and only the fourth agreed with you. Are you really that dense?Then why were you specifically using the word vaporize, and not evaporate, and then using a definition for the word evaporate which is not found under the word vaporize? If you have to use the fourth definition when the first three agree with me, you're really reaching.
Go look up the word Evaporate it has VAPOR in it's definition! 🙄
Watch it again. He removed a large chunk of the moon from existence. He simply pointed his hand at it, some blue sparkles appeared, and a large chunk of the moon simply disappeared. It didn't explode, it didn't vaporize, it didn't break apart. It just vanished. In addition, he can restore all of the things he's destroyed.
LIES, you can SEE CHUNKS OF THE MOON FROM THE DEBRIS!!!!! YOU CAN SEE the moon's left overs. Stop lying by posting incomplete scans,, dammit.
Um, yes he did. He specifically targeted Tenchi's residence and blasted it apart, blowing a huge chunk out of the earth (effectively destroying it) just to get Tenchi's attention.Stop misinterpreting my posts. He didn't remove the whole moon, he removed a large chunk of it. As I said, he was just toying with Tenchi at the time. Look at the gif.
Bull crap! The Earth is still intact! YOU CAN SEE THE EARTH's Debree as well after the explosions! The "CHUNK" of the moon is shown as well (wha tthe he ll came at tenchi???) what the hell is wrong with your eyes?LOOK AT THE CHUNKS OF THE EARTH You can obviously see the debris "removed from existence," you need to remove your LIES from existence.....
No, some guy on some forum said that Toriyama said that the anime was canon. And you take it to mean you can use anime scenes when they contradict the manga scenes
Bull!! Those are Shonene Jump interviews! Toriyama worked on the Anime as well and he considers it CANON. Deal with it.
He couldn't, he had to teleport to North Kaio's planet first (which he was already familiar with) and have North Kaio find New Namek for him. Stop lying
Wrong, The reason why he went ot Kai planet is because HE DID NOT KNOW WHICH DIRECTION IT WAS IN!!! Your the liar!
*sigh*
This is really getting tedious. Why don't you just admit you're wrong and give up? It would save us both a lot of trouble, and people would look at you a lot more favorably.
Originally posted by Phenomenol
Yeah, because the Star power wasn't even used it was much weaker for some reason.
Read it again. There was a mysterious line of power that only Washu could detect, it had properties similar to a LHW, and it interfered with the sub - LHW of the Juraian ship, cancelling it out the way another LHW would. The most logical theory is that it was the Counter-Actor. Even if it was something else, it still refutes your theory that it was the pirate ship's power.
MORON!!! WHEN Z CUT TENCHI and he DIED where the hell did he Go??? When he tried to block the Chobimaru Beam where the hell did he go??? The SITE even told you Tenchi places himself in the path of the beam and summons his Light Hawk Wings, "but he is overcome" (Meaning he died/defeated) , and wakes to find himself once again in the strange nexus of time and space! Damn you are dense.
So being sent to the hyperdimension automatically means you're dead? The Chousein visited the hyperdimension all the time, does that mean they died, too? You're comitting an association fallacy, just because he went to the hyperdimension when he died that time, does not mean that every time he goes to the hyperdimension, it's because he died. And since when does "overcome" mean he died? It means he couldn't handle the energy of summoning 6 LHWs (which he had never done before).
When he died against Z, his Kami form was released and he grew as large as a galaxy and started tearing apart the multiverse. That didn't happen during the Chobimaru incident. [b]YOU STILL HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THIS.
It was never stated anywhere, in any canon source, that he died at the time of the Chobimaru incident. YOU STILL HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THIS.
He could not have died against the Chobimaru, because the beam never even hit him. YOU STILL HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THIS.
With only 3 LHWs, he easily survived past the event horizon of a black hole, where the pressure and gravity are infinite, and escaped. That's far more impressive than the Chobimaru's attack. YOU STILL HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THIS.
Yeah you did. You said it "took universe destroying power to kill Z," LOL which is a LIE.
Now you're referring to a completely different statement. You're the one lying by deliberately misrepresenting my words. I was speaking of the energy required to summon different numbers of LHWs.
And it was stated in the actual OVA that the energy required to kill Z would shatter the third dimension. Your claim that they were talking about Saturn is laughable for several reasons. For one thing, they weren't on Saturn, they were in space. For another thing, Tsunami and Tokimi later destroyed not only Saturn, but the entire solar system and a huge chunk of the galaxy, and Z was right at the center of the blast and completely unharmed.
Go look up the word Evaporate it has VAPOR in it's definition!
Which is what I've been saying the whole time. You're not even being self - consistent anymore. Vaporize/evaporate = transform into vapor.
LIES, you can SEE CHUNKS OF THE MOON FROM THE DEBRIS!!!!! YOU CAN SEE the moon's left overs. Stop lying by posting incomplete scans,, dammit.
Are you even paying attention to me? I said he removed a large chunk of the moon from existence, not the whole moon. Of course there was some left over.
Bull crap! The Earth is still intact! YOU CAN SEE THE EARTH's Debree as well after the explosions! The "CHUNK" of the moon is shown as well (wha tthe he ll came at tenchi???) what the hell is wrong with your eyes?LOOK AT THE CHUNKS OF THE EARTH You can obviously see the debris "removed from existence," you need to remove your LIES from existence.....
Stop misrepresenting my posts. He attacked the earth to draw out Tenchi (that picture was from before he attacked the moon). Then, just to toy with Tenchi, he removed a large chunk of the moon from existence, using a different attack than the one he used on the earth. And honestly, I wouldn't really call the earth "intact" after that...
Bull!! Those are Shonene Jump interviews! Toriyama worked on the Anime as well and he considers it CANON. Deal with it.
Then post the scans from Shounen Jump. Or else it's no more reliable than a post anyone makes on any internet forum.
Wrong, The reason why he went ot Kai planet is because HE DID NOT KNOW WHICH DIRECTION IT WAS IN!!! Your the liar!
If he can sense ki anywhere in the universe and every dimension like you claim, that wouldn't matter. 🙄
So being sent to the hyperdimension automatically means you're dead? The Chousein visited the hyperdimension all the time, does that mean they died, too? You're comitting an association fallacy, just because he went to the hyperdimension when he died that time, does not mean that every time he goes to the hyperdimension, it's because he died......
STOP!!!.............
Tenchi is the only one who has DIED and went to the nexus of space and time, TWICE!!! Planet destroying > LHW!
http://tmau.fateback.com/episodes/ova/20.html
Tenchi places himself in the path of the beam and summons his Light Hawk Wings, "but he is overcome" (Meaning he died/defeated) , and wakes to find himself once again in the strange nexus of time and space
Now you're referring to a completely different statement. You're the one lying by deliberately misrepresenting my words...
Liar, don't change up now. this is what you said...
Still it would take universe destroying power to kill him .
🙄
Which is what I've been saying the whole time. You're not even being self - consistent anymore. Vaporize/evaporate = transform into vapor.
God, completely missed the point; Vaporized/Evaporate is the SAME DAMN THING!
Are you even paying attention to me? I said he removed a large chunk of the moon from existence, not the whole moon. Of course there was some left over.
He didn't "remove" a large chunk of the moon, the chunks flew at Tenchi, LIAR!
Stop misrepresenting my posts. He attacked the earth to draw out Tenchi (that picture was from before he attacked the moon). Then, just to toy with Tenchi, he removed a large chunk of the moon from existence, using a different attack than the one he used on the earth. And honestly, I wouldn't really call the earth "intact" after that...
Now you want to retract your statement about him destroying earth 🙄 ....He never removed a Chunk of the moon from existence, the chunks FLEW AT TENCHI!!!
Then post the scans from Shounen Jump. Or else it's no more reliable than a post anyone makes on any internet forum.
I don't have them, hell why don't you go log in and ask for them?
The Anime is Canon DEAL WITH IT!!! Z dies Horribly!!!
If he can sense ki anywhere in the universe and every dimension like you claim, that wouldn't matter
Yes it does, He has to sense in the right direction for a NAMEK's ki on New Namek! He can't do that if he doesn't know where it is !!!!
Ok here's the basic list i was able to salvage by going through the thread, thouh it definitely has some problems.
Confirmed Characters:
Alternate Genre Character Tiers:
Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent):
Z, Dark Schneider, KOS-MOS (Full Power)
Herald
High:
Son Goku (SSJ4)
Middle:
Dante (DMC - Sparda Form), Popeye (w/Spinach)
Low:
Ganondorf, Kratos, Son Goku,
Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)
High:
Happosai, Samas Aran, Aizen Sousuke, Cutie Honey
Middle:
Master Chief, Popeye (w/o Spinach),
Low:
Ranma Saotome, Ryouga Hibiki, Ryu Hayabasa, K’
Street Level
High:
Middle:
Low
Still being voted on:
Transcendant:
Belldandy (1)
High Herald:
Alucard (1), Kain from Legacy of Kain (1)
Mid Herald:
Alucard (1), Kelthuzad (1), Kain from Legacy of Kain (1), Lina Inverse (1), Anubis and Jehuty (1)
Low Herald:
Mega Man (1)**, Kratos GOW1 (2), KOS MOS (Weakest)(1), Rugal Bernstein (1), Gouki (1),
Against Mega Man (1)
High Meta:
Sora (2), Rugal Bernstein (1), Mega Man (2), Naruto (1), Gouki (1), Sephiroth (1), Hayabusa (all equip) (1)
Mid Meta:
Legato (2), Seras (2), Cutie Honey (1), Sephiroth, (1), Mega Man (1), Link (3)*, Alucard (1), Ryu Hayabusa (1), Alita (BAA) (1), Naruto(1)
Low Meta:
Ryu Hayabusa (3), Vash the Stampede (2), Kenshiro (2), Caerula Sanguis (1), Guts (2)
High Street:
Spike Spiegel (2)
