Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
LOL, Opinions? same debating style? insults? LOL! Just cuz Phenom like Guyver, "hey he must be whitebeard!"If that was true I would be banned from NF & the KMC forum.
LOL, Im not accusing, you are trolling!
So please........STOP trolling!
You think that's the only similarity? Look at your posts.
Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
I know Phenom, but im not Phenom, Mike knows this, he tried to get me banned over at the NF, saying Im Phenom's dupe.I told the him to PM a mod about it & they will let you know.
you guys can do the same here.
Edit: Mike even think Sarutobi700 is phenom. LOL
No, I don't. I can tell that, while Sarutobi700 is definitely a troll, his style is significantly different from yours and phenom's.
Read it again. It was stated to be a power similar to a Light Hawk Wing, but not a Light Hawk Wing. It was directly stated that it was NOT the power of the star in the ship that was responsible for it. The only other power that fits that description is the Counter-Actor.
I read it, and NOTHING about the Counter-Actor is mentioned. You sir are just spouting nonsense.
Stop lying. He didn't die, he was absolutely fine right afterwards in the conference. If he had died, Kami Tenchi would have been released and started tearing apart the multiverse again like in episode 19. The blast never even hit him, it was neutralized long before it did. Tenchi escaped a black hole with only 3 Light Hawk Wings in episode 11, and a black hole >>>>>>>>>>>> the Chobimaru's attack. He was sent to the hyperdimension due to the overload of using more energy than he ever had before to summon 6 LHWs.
Wrong, Tenchi ESCAPED A BLACK HOLE don't act as if he destroyed it or sat in their because he didn't. Tenchi DID DIE when he blocked the blast that was the reason for him going back into the nexus of space and time just like when Z killed him. Canon agrees with me.
http://tmau.fateback.com/episodes/ova/20.html
Which is the truth. The correct translation is "shatter the third dimension".
False. no such thing was stated, Tokimi DID NOT want to destroy the third dimesnion that is the reason why Z knew she would not attack him.
One instant it's there, the next it's not. It doesn't explode, or vaporize, or break apart, it simply disappears.
Bullocks. Look how you continue to fail, THERE WAS CHUNKS OF THE MOON COMING AT TENCHI. Z DID NOT REMOVE THE MOON FROM EXISTENCE LIKE PICCOLO!!
No, that's simply destruction, as in blowing them apart. Far less impressive than removing them from time and space. Z did far more than that when he destroyed the Galaxy Police fleet and Tokimi's devices (which were powerful enough to devastate multiversal powers). Z can not only destroy moons and planets, but restore them to their previous state.
Complete and utter lie! Z never destroyed any planets, Buu VAPORIZED earth their was no trace it was removed from existance. 🙄
Show me a DBZ character:- Removing matter from existence (as in literally, making it simply disappear)
- Flying hundreds of times lightspeed
- Moving between universes under their own power (not dimensions)
- Restoring destroyed planets/moons to their original state (the dragon doesn't count)
- Neutralizing hundreds of planet - destroying attacks simultaneously
- Transforming into light and then backHell, in Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure (which is in - continuity with the Tenchi Muyo universe), Zinv merged two universes together with only 2 Light Hawk Wings!
Bullocks, your post is false.
Video showing Freeza destroying a planet with his FINGER!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPELlQskcVM&mode=related&search=
Cell's "ENTIRE" Solar System busting Kamehameha battle (battle being felt lightyears away)!
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/29/41941/Cell%20powa.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4wxWR6rLK4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX9CqQOEyYw&mode=related&search=
Super Buu ripping a hole through a dimension!!
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/29/41941/Buubreath0.gif
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/29/41941/BuuBreath1.gif
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/29/41941/Buubreath.gif
Kid Buu destroying a Galaxy! Episode 219 (Original Japanese)!
Super Buu Three showing the power to shatter "The universe! (Sorry for the crap dub)!
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/vegito-vs-super-buufull-fight-no-fillerpt5/2697536119
(Note: Vegetto was EASILY more powerful than Super Buu a universe destroyer)!
Q: What does the Z in Dragonball Z stand for? (Most of us know that the Z was only used in the anime and it was just an index to separate Goku as a kid and Goku as an adult. But check out the response from Toriyama-san).A: I was starting to run out of things for Dragonball and I really wanted to finish the series. So I thought that if I put a Z at the end of Dragonball, people would think that it was going to end soon!
Q: How would you position the Dragon Ball Z anime (TV series)?
A:I consider the TV animation to be in "one dimension" with the Manga. I have what I call Canon, which is the TV series and the original, printed comic edition works that are directly tied into continuity.
Shunkan Ido >>>>> Tenchi Muyo's "Translocation"
DBZ >>>>> Tenchi muyo!
NEXT!
Originally posted by Phenomenol
I read it, and NOTHING about the Counter-Actor is mentioned. You sir are just spouting nonsense.
Name something in the Tenchiverse that has the same properties of a Light Hawk Wing but is not a Light Hawk Wing and is not the Counter - Actor. The point is that it was not the star power inside the ship like you claimed.
Wrong, Tenchi ESCAPED A BLACK HOLE don't act as if he destroyed it or sat in their because he didn't. Tenchi DID DIE when he blocked the blast that was the reason for him going back into the nexus of space and time just like when Z killed him. Canon agrees with me.
http://tmau.fateback.com/episodes/ova/20.html
The fact that he escaped from inside the event horizon proves that 3 Light Hawk Wings >>>>>>>>>>>> planet destroying attacks, since the pressure and gravity past the event horizon of a black hole is [b]infinite. And nothing in that summary mentions him dying. In fact it says he was sent to the nexus of space and time (hyperdimension).
False. no such thing was stated, Tokimi DID NOT want to destroy the third dimesnion that is the reason why Z knew she would not attack him.
Exactly. Because in order to kill him, she would have had to use that much power.
*snip*
Please, this is like what, the 4th time you've posted that scan? At least link it instead of posting the whole thing. He didn't "remove it from existence", he destroyed it, by making it explode. Hence the huge flash of light. The chunks of the moon flying at Tenchi were dislodged from the rest of the moon after the large part of it was removed from existence. The rest of it just disappeared into nothingness (and Z could have restored it back to its original form).
Complete and utter lie! Z never destroyed any planets, Buu VAPORIZED earth their was no trace it was removed from existance.
*snip*
You just contradicted yourself. "Vaporized" means converted into vapor. If there is no trace, there is no vapor. Did you see the huge white cloud in the scans? Speaking of scans, stop posting them. We've all seen them already. That's far less impressive than simply making the earth disappear from time and space. Z destroyed the Earth and the moon using only a small bit of his power just to get Tenchi's attention (he wasn't seriously trying). When he fought the Galaxy Police fleet he created a shockwave that expanded and destroyed hundreds of their vessels in seconds, and his LHWs expanded and destroyed Tokimi's devices (which were completely invulnerable to conventional weaponry) in the same amount of time.
Bullocks, your post is false.
Video showing Freeza destroying a planet with his FINGER!!
1. That's not what I asked for.
2. That's not even canon, that scene was never in the manga.
Cell's "ENTIRE" Solar System busting Kamehameha battle
That's called a bluff. The "solar - system busting" attack resulted in only a small crater.
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6696/cellsolarsystembluff6wj4.gif
Super Buu ripping a hole through a dimension!!
That's simply moving between dimensions. Mihoshi's ship can do that. Completely worthless in combat.
Kid Buu destroying a Galaxy! Episode 219 (Original Japanese)!
Non - canon. The canon manga says he destroyed "several hundred planets".
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1534/suckitphenomenolvj5.gif
Super Buu Three showing the power to shatter "The universe! (Sorry for the crap dub)!
Non - canon filler. And even in the filler it was just hyperbole, he didn't even destroy the earth and was stopped by being punched, LOL.
(Note: Vegetto was EASILY more powerful than Super Buu a universe destroyer)!
Non - canon filler hyperbole. If you want to go by hyperboles, Z claimed he could destroy the universe, and that was canon.
Shunkan Ido >>>>> Tenchi Muyo's "Translocation"
Complete bullshit. Shunkan ido requires you to lock onto a ki signal and then teleport there, it's ineffective across distances too far in space or dimensions too far away. TM! teleportation can instantly teleport you anywhere in time or space, in any dimension or universe, without having to lock on.
DBZ >>>>> Tenchi muyo!NEXT! [/B]
You are such a troll.
Name something in the Tenchiverse that has the same properties of a Light Hawk Wing but is not a Light Hawk Wing and is not the Counter - Actor. The point is that it was not the star power inside the ship like you claimed.
That's becauseThe Energy of the generator (the star) was not even put into the blast. It was stated to be several thousand times weaker!Nothing about the Counter-actor was ever mentioned.
The fact that he escaped from inside the event horizon proves that 3 Light Hawk Wings >>>>>>>>>>>> planet destroying attacks, since the pressure and gravity past the event horizon of a black hole is infinite. And nothing in that summary mentions him dying. In fact it says he was sent to the nexus of space and time (hyperdimension).
Wrong, HE DID NOT SIT OR TAKE THE BLACK HOLE! Escaping and taking is entirely different. He died by the Chobimaru with SIX LHW!!! that is canon!
Exactly. Because in order to kill him, she would have had to use that much power
LIES, nowhere was that ever stated. Look at the episode again!
Please, this is like what, the 4th time you've posted that scan? At least link it instead of posting the whole thing. He didn't "remove it from existence", he destroyed it, by making it explode. Hence the huge flash of light. The chunks of the moon flying at Tenchi were dislodged from the rest of the moon after the large part of it was removed from existence. The rest of it just disappeared into nothingness (and Z could have restored it back to its original form).
You know how stupid you sound? Piccolo VAPORIZED THE PLANET which means removed from existence, Z did not since parts of the moon was STILL intact. You are a FANBOY.
"Vaporized" means converted into vapor. If there is no trace, there is no vapor. Did you see the huge white cloud in the scans?
Bullocks, you are starting to show your true self, LIES.
e·vap·o·rate (-vp-rt)
a. To change into vapor.
b. To pass off in or as vapor.
2. To produce vapor.
3. To disappear; vanish:
Buu and Piccolo removed the planets from existence!
That's far less impressive than simply making the earth disappear from time and space. Z destroyed the Earth and the moon .
WTF?! You LIED again, The EARTH IS STILL INTACT!!! It is not "removed from existence," your post are hell of dumb right now. 🙄
1. That's not what I asked for.2. That's not even canon, that scene was never in the manga.That's called a bluff. The "solar - system busting" attack resulted in only a small crater.That's simply moving between dimensions. Mihoshi's ship can do that. Completely worthless in combat.Non - canon. The canon manga says he destroyed "several hundred planets".Non - canon filler. And even in the filler it was just hyperbole, he didn't even destroy the earth and was stopped by being punched, LOLNon - canon filler hyperbole. If you want to go by hyperboles, Z claimed he could destroy the universe, and that was canon
You finally showed your bias and fanboysim...
Q: What does the Z in Dragonball Z stand for? (Most of us know that the Z was only used in the anime and it was just an index to separate Goku as a kid and Goku as an adult. But check out the response from Toriyama-san).A: I was starting to run out of things for Dragonball and I really wanted to finish the series. So I thought that if I put a Z at the end of Dragonball, people would think that it was going to end soon!
Q: How would you position the Dragon Ball Z anime (TV series)?
A:I consider the TV animation to be in "one dimension" with the Manga. I have what I call Canon, which is the TV series and the original, printed comic edition works that are directly tied into continuity .
Complete bullshit. Shunkan ido requires you to lock onto a ki signal and then teleport there, it's ineffective across distances too far in space or dimensions too far away.
Complete and utter lies........^^^ Let's see what Goku says... "you have to think of a person, not a place. Feel their ki." Hell, you act as if Goku never senses Ki, LOL you fail. Goku teleprts from Heaven to hell, INSTANTANEOUSLY that are in other dimensions!
TM! teleportation can instantly teleport you anywhere in time or space, in any dimension or universe, without having to lock on.
87. Can the guardians teleport?Answer:
Yes, they can.More details ...
More precisely, it is subspace translocation rather than teleportation. They can do it any time with some limit on the distance (the width of a galaxy is not a problem). But they do need the support from the Tree.
You continue to fail. DBZ >>>>>Tenchi Muyo.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, I don't. I can tell that, while Sarutobi700 is definitely a troll, his style is significantly different from yours and phenom's.
Why did did you say, "yours & Phenom's" don't you think we are the same poster?
Again TROLL! if you think that we are the same person PM a Mod about it & get proven wrong again!
Back on topic, the Gigantic Dark & the Gigantic Guyver are Sub-Skyfather level.
Originally posted by Akuki
Please stop arguing in this thread and do it somewhere else, I really don't want Rex to take down this thread because of you're guys fighting.
I agree. Mike is the one keeps trolling me, I let him know many times that he could just PM a Mod about it.
On Topic. Alkanphel I think he should be Skyfather level also going bye what was shown by him in the manga.
Just to mention to people who ignored it when i first mentioned it, Unsealed Belldandy to Transcendant, and Hild-sama to Skyfather.
Belldandy's feats include: Teleportation at will, ability to command all spirits, including those of things not traditionally considered to have spirits(computer sytems etc.) Casual matter manipulation, She actually exists on a much higher plane and her form on earth is constantly being regenerated by her force of will, so physical attacks on this plane of existence won't do much to her. She's blocked attacks from the Almighty in her unsealed form that were designed to kill. It's stated that in her unsealed form her energy is far too great for Earth to handle. She's also a freaking mother Teresa, when the ruler of all demon's (Hild-sama) implanted a demon egg in her to turn her evil, she instead caused the demon to turn into an angel. She also has the ability to subdivide herself many times.
Hild-Sama basically has the same powerset, but she is more experienced, and has far greater power levels. She detached a portion of herself that contained 1/1000th of her power, and that has still managed to beat Belldandy on several occasions.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Weren't you the one who said she was skyfather level? ermm
Abstract. Which technically she would be but since she has only one feat to back it up and the rest are closer to LowHerald that seems like a better choice.
Originally posted by Akuki
What's she from again?
The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya
Originally posted by Phenomenol
That's becauseThe Energy of the generator (the star) was not even put into the blast. It was stated to be several thousand times weaker!Nothing about the Counter-actor was ever mentioned.
It was stated that a mysterious line of power that only Washu could see (due to her Chousein nature) interfered with the sub - LHW and cancelled it out, similar to the way that another LHW would cancel it out.
Wrong, HE DID NOT SIT OR TAKE THE BLACK HOLE! Escaping and taking is entirely different. He died by the Chobimaru with SIX LHW!!! that is canon!
No it's not. Show me one canon source that says that he died then.
If he had died, Kami Tenchi would have been released, his energy form would have grown as large as the galaxy, and the multiverse would have started to collapse. All that happened was that he was sent to the hyperdimension because he was not used to summoning the energy of 6 LHWs which he had never done before. And what do you mean he didn't take the black hole? It opened right in front of him and he was immediately sucked past the event horizon where the time dilation froze him, but his LHWs activated and negated the time dilation, reduced the power of the black hole's gravity to zero (actually changing the laws of physics), and he escaped. Surviving inside the event horizon of a black hole takes infinitely more durability than taking a planet - destroying attack. The Chobimaru's attack could not have hurt him because [b]it never even hit him. You have continually ignored this point.
LIES, nowhere was that ever stated. Look at the episode again!
YOU look at it again. With 2 LHWs, it's possible to merge together 2 universes (Parallel Dual, which is in continuity with Tenchi Muyo). With 10, you're channeling as much power as the universe can hold (you can't summon 11 in a single universe or the universe will be destroyed). Using the formula for the energy required to generate LHWs (stated in 101 secrets), 3 LHWs require 1/128th of universe destroying power to maintain, 5 require 1/32 of universe destroying power to maintain, and 6 require 1/16th of universe destroying power to maintain.
You know how stupid you sound? Piccolo VAPORIZED THE PLANET which means removed from existence, Z did not since parts of the moon was STILL intact. You are a FANBOY.
You're the one who sounds stupid. Do you even know what the word "vaporize" means? Here, I'll help you:
va·por·ize /ˈveɪpəˌraɪz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vey-puh-rahyz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -ized, -iz·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to cause to change into vapor.
–verb (used without object)
2. to become converted into vapor.
3. to indulge in boastful talk; speak braggingly.
Vaporizing means to turn something into vapor. I can vaporize things in my kitchen. Z can violate the first law of thermodynamics and completely remove matter and energy from existence. That's something far beyond anything any DBZ character can ever do. He can even restore the things he's destroyed afterwards.
Bullocks, you are starting to show your true self, LIES.
So I guess the dictionary is full of lies now, right? 🙄
*snip*Buu and Piccolo removed the planets from existence!
Way to use the wrong word (evaporate, compared to the one you were just using, vaporize) and then use only the 4th (as in, the least common) definition. But I guess in retard fanboy - land we can ignore all of the other definitions and only pick and choose the evidence that fits our side.
DBZ ki blasts are explosive attacks. They blow things apart. They don't remove them from time and space, like Z can. Show me Picollo or Buu restoring something they destroyed back to normal (which they could if they could simply remove it and then restore it like Z could). In fact, Picollo himself stated he couldn't restore the time chamber entrance after he destroyed (while Z easily could have).
WTF?! You LIED again, The EARTH IS STILL INTACT!!! It is not "removed from existence," your post are hell of dumb right now.*snip*
Way to completely misunderstand my post. I said he destroyed the earth, not removed it from time and space. He used a different attack on the Earth than he did on the moon. He removed a section of the moon from time and space. Not to mention he wasn't even seriously trying with either of those attacks, he was just trying to get Tenchi's attention. If you want to see one of his more serious attacks, see how he devastated the Galaxy Police fleet or Tokimi's devices (which are invincible against conventional weaponry).
You finally showed your bias and fanboysim...*snip*
I'd say you finally showed your hypocrisy, but you showed it the first time I ever met you.
Way to quote an interview that comes from a post someone made on a forum. Even if it is legit, obviously it doesn't include filler episodes, since they were never in the manga, and in many cases, they directly contradict the manga. I posted manga scans that directly contradicted the filler information, and you still say the anime is right, since you want to pick and choose what to use as canon. You want to use fillers? Then Goku and Picollo can't lift a school bus. 😆
Complete and utter lies........^^^ Let's see what Goku says... "you have to think of a person, not a place. Feel their ki." Hell, you act as if Goku never senses Ki, LOL you fail. Goku teleprts from Heaven to hell, INSTANTANEOUSLY that are in other dimensions!
You didn't address anything I just said. In fact you just agreed with me. He has to sense their ki, so he can't teleport to someplace with no ki signatures. Also he can only teleport very far distances if he is familiar with the ki signature. Look at this:
Goku can't sense Buu and Gotenks in the time chamber:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3825/kisensesfail2lu2.gif
New Namek is too far for Goku to teleport to directly:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6011/gokuitlimitedmw1.gif
You continue to fail. DBZ >>>>>Tenchi Muyo. [/B]
You really are a troll. That referred to the Guardians (robots) Azaka and Kamidake. Comparing their teleportation capabilities to Z is like comparing a candle to the Big Bang. Z was teleporting across all the universes in the hyperdimension to evade the Galaxy Police. In addition, he can teleport other people in addition to himself. He could teleport Goku or whoever off Earth into the core of the sun or a black hole instantly before he knew what hit him.
