Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Okay - I see the train of discussion now. But I'm not really seeing how it eventuates to Neo having the ability to dive into any opponent. Is there no indication of limitations?

How often are characters in comics subjected to something like that, that would provide indication that they'd either be susceptible or immune.

Because Circe can use her magic to transform Superman, does that mean Neo can dive into him?

It seems like it would get very complicated in any match up... but que sera.

Well, there are reality manipulators in DC.

How has Supes faired against them?

That's pretty much the question.

Also, I find it funny that Superman is always the measuring stick for a character.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless the character has shown the abiolity to resist or is immune to body diving.

It's not like its an ability unique to neo

There's also Nocturne.

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And I suppose Malice.

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And Proteus.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Neo is a reality warper, his native reality just happens to be virtual.

In cross genre, his powers would work just as they would within the Matix. The battlefield is the reality he can manipulate, [b]including his opposition, just as in the movies. [/B]

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm... so walk me through this....

Neo manipulates the Matrix... and in theory can manipulate anything/anyone in the matrix? Using this he can dive into individuals.

In vs threads in-Universe powers are present regardless of the Universe.

Neo can manipulate anything or anyone in a vs thread? Using this he can dive into any opponent?

Originally posted by illadelph12
In my opinion Neo's above Mid-Meta, but he's also really hard to guage.

I'd say at least High Meta, to a possible Elite Meta/Low Herald, but he could hang with people higher up due to the nature of his powers.

Yes, that's the rule BB.

And Neo's WAY faster than Spiderman.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Yes, that's the rule BB.

And Neo's [b]WAY faster than Spiderman. [/B]

f*** it

neo SHOULDN'T be allowed to do some of the stuff he did in the movies. digital neo jumping into another digital character's code is not a transferable power to "flesh and blood" comic characters (for the most part)

if neo gets his matrix abilities, i see irony that his real world powers aren't really mentioned, he actually does have those in the real world.

neo's matrix powers will be fundementally changed and inevitably imbelished on if they are allowed to carry over. uhuh

Originally posted by psycho gundam
f*** it

neo SHOULDN'T be allowed to do some of the stuff he did in the movies. digital neo jumping into another digital character's code is not a transferable power to "flesh and blood" comic characters (for the most part)

if neo gets his matrix abilities, i see irony that his real world powers aren't really mentioned, he actually does have those in the real world.

neo's matrix powers will be fundementally changed and inevitably imbelished on if they are allowed to carry over. uhuh

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Comics are a form of an alternate reality within themselves, just as the Matrix is. I could just as easily say Superman's powers wouldn't work against Neo's human form because to John Anderson Superman is just a comic book character. That's not the intent of this exercise at all.

It's all fiction.

What makes Neo's powers any different or less acceptable than a character like Proteus, another reality warping body hopper (of a higher magnitude, granted)?

You can't pick and choose like that.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I disagree wholeheartedly.

Comics are a form of an alternate reality within themselves, just as the Matrix is. I could just as easily say Superman's powers wouldn't work against Neo's human form because to John Anderson Superman is just a comic book character. That's not the intent of this exercise at all.

It's all fiction.

What makes Neo's powers any different or less acceptable than a character like Proteus, another reality warping body hopper (of a higher magnitude, granted)?

You can't pick and choose like that.

Granted. He fought a bunch of low to mid metas, and whatever we'd classify Agent Smith as in his final incarnation in Revolutions.

We do know, however, that Neo was a reality warper, and that was the basis of his entire ability set.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Granted. He fought a bunch of low to mid metas, and whatever we'd classify Agent Smith as in his final incarnation in Revolutions.

We do know, however, that Neo was a reality warper, and that was the basis of his entire ability set.

Originally posted by illadelph12
And Neo's [b]WAY faster than Spiderman. [/B]

Granted, when PUSHING HIMSELF TO HIS LIMITS, Neo went faster, but it is never illustrated how much.

As for reflexes, he has not shown to be "way" faster than Spiderman, I would say he is faster, but he is not that fast all things considered, maybe low-end hypersonic.

As for his ability, it does not translate.

You would have a point if all it did was destroy Smith's physical body... But it didn't. It deleted him, though instead of being sent to the Source as a program normally would be, it "freed" him from it. He has only done this to a program, and Superman for instance is not a computer program that can be deleted.

A good analogy would be giving Star Wars characters the ability to use the "Destroy Droid" power (Yes there is one) to immediately kill human enemies.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i KNOW.

f*ck it, i give up. even when i agree with people it seems to come across like i'm disagreeing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
f*** it

neo SHOULDN'T be allowed to do some of the stuff he did in the movies. digital neo jumping into another digital character's code is not a transferable power to "flesh and blood" comic characters (for the most part)

if neo gets his matrix abilities, i see irony that his real world powers aren't really mentioned, he actually does have those in the real world.

neo's matrix powers will be fundementally changed and inevitably imbelished on if they are allowed to carry over. uhuh

I think for the purpose of CG matches there should be a rule about cases like Neo where powers are derived from some kind of realm/place/state of being. For example in comic vs matches guys like Mephisto are nigh-omnipotent in their own realms but we don't generally give them that kind of power unless it's specified that the fight takes place within their realm.

Does Neo have power outside of the Matrix?

Oh and also, @Illa:

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Now I command thee to post the updated list! g_serious

Originally posted by Badabing
That's because you're a hard case. sneer

you love it.

@ OV

Neo can talk to machines outside of the matrix, but it taxes him.

When people suggest Neo for matches, they're doing so with the stipulation that it's Neo (as seen in the matrix), not as seen in the real world.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think for the purpose of CG matches there should be a rule about cases like Neo where powers are derived from some kind of realm/place/state of being. For example in comic vs matches guys like Mephisto are nigh-omnipotent in their own realms but we don't generally give them that kind of power unless it's specified that the fight takes place within their realm.

Does Neo have power outside of the Matrix?

Oh and also, @Illa:

Marvel has no speedforce nor does the matrix reality.

Originally posted by Creshosk
We don't neuter the Flash who's powers only work within DC.

Marvel has no speedforce nor does the matrix reality.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
All I'm saying is that I think any match with Neo should specify whether or not it takes place within the Matrix.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
All I'm saying is that I think any match with Flash should specify whether or not it takes place within the DC universe.

Sorry, rules state he gets his full powers.