Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Where would KEN and Raoh from THE FIST OF THE NORTH STAR be. I say Skyfather Level: :I would put Kenshiros pressure point attacks up against anyone including Zeus/Odin etc. not saying he would kill them but he could hurt them.
Granted Raoh and Kenshiro are ridiculously strong physically and all. He's nowhere near skyfather. Mid or high meta yes, but he's not a herald level or anything. Durability to blunt damage and all is fine but he's been shown to have very low piercing durability. There is not one feat that I can think of that puts him on even Herald level. He's a hard character to pair against an opponent and have it be a fair or decent match but he's in no way a herald or able to even bother Zeus unless Zeus just stands there. Even in a physical fight Zeus would beat him. Ken for upper mid meta.
Originally posted by carver9
Honestly... Ken is up there imo. He could easily beat any Meta in a physical fight.
Yeah but thankfully everyone else gets their other powers when we're gauging him.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Granted Raoh and Kenshiro are ridiculously strong physically and all. He's nowhere near skyfather. Mid or high meta yes, but he's not a herald level or anything. Durability to blunt damage and all is fine but he's been shown to have very low piercing durability. There is not one feat that I can think of that puts him on even Herald level. He's a hard character to pair against an opponent and have it be a fair or decent match but he's in no way a herald or able to even bother Zeus unless Zeus just stands there. Even in a physical fight Zeus would beat him. Ken for upper mid meta.Yeah but thankfully everyone else gets their other powers when we're gauging him.
Piercing damage really doesn't mean anything, especially since people like Hulk and Thor has been pierce. Ken can take a punch. Numerous of metas, outside of telepath would be hard pressed at beating Ken, let alone hitting him.
All of them have pressure points and it shouldn't even be debated if Ken can get these licks off or not... he will get them and a lot of them will feel it if you ask me since Ken has some of the best reflexes I have seen from one character.
Originally posted by carver9
Piercing damage really doesn't mean anything, especially since people like Hulk and Thor has been pierce. Ken can take a punch. Numerous of metas, outside of telepath would be hard pressed at beating Ken, let alone hitting him.All of them have pressure points and it shouldn't even be debated if Ken can get these licks off or not... he will get them and a lot of them will feel it if you ask me since Ken has some of the best reflexes I have seen from one character.
Now before I continue do you mean the comic meta tier list or mixed genre tier list?
Originally posted by carver9
I'm referring to the mixed genre tier list. He could do it on both if you ask me. His punching power, speed, fighting skills, and durability is insane.
Well I just looked at one of the most recent meta lists for mixed and Crocodile is in it who is someone that Ken can't beat physically. There is also a Pokemon and a Digimon in the Elite Meta tier and you have to prove that they have pressure points. There is also Megaman, and Ken can not beat Dio Brando. From the comic tier list I recall seeing Ghost Rider who doesn't have pressure points to my knowledge, even if he did he's not beating a Rider.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well I just looked at one of the most recent meta lists for mixed and Crocodile is in it who is someone that Ken can't beat physically. There is also a Pokemon and a Digimon in the Elite Meta tier and you have to prove that they have pressure points. There is also Megaman, and Ken can not beat Dio Brando. From the comic tier list I recall seeing Ghost Rider who doesn't have pressure points to my knowledge, even if he did he's not beating a Rider.
I'm referring to comic characters not anime characters. By the way, Ken can beat Ghost rider imo. The only thing that might be a problem is GR invulnerability but Ken would be annihilating him the entire match.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Not with his adimantium and healing? He'll last for a brief time, but that's it.
Naah, Wolverine wouldn't last a second if Ken doesnt want him too. This is a guy that can hit a pressure point and makee your entire body explode and the thing about it is, he can do this any time he wants.
You remember when I said Ken has some of the best combat feats around? Well, one of them is punching someone a hundred times in less than a second. Wolverine can't do anything against that and would basically be a statue to someone like Ken... someone that can look at you and see weak spots.
Wolverine even teamed up with Spidey, Cap, Daredevil, and Sabertooth wouldn't last 1 panel imo.
Originally posted by marwash22
if we use the logic I've seen in a particular thread involving Punisher: if Hulk can't one-shot Wolverine, what chance in hell does Ken have of doing it?
Hulk doesn't know how to hit a pressure point making your body explode or touch someone on the head paralyzing them or poking a hole through someone making all of the flesh fall off of them or their heads explode.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk doesn't know how to hit a pressure point making your body explode or touch someone on the head paralyzing them or poking a hole through someone making all of the flesh fall off of them or their heads explode.
when someone that strong hits you it goes beyond mere pressure points
Originally posted by psycho gundamwhen someone that strong hits you it goes beyond mere pressure points
The thing is with Ken is he could hit that hard, but choses to use his training to attack pressure points. There are numerous times when he knocks guys far away from him with a hit. Ken is real strong....in the movie a skyscraper falls on him...only his head is above it.....he walks right through it. Do you know how much a building of that size weighs.
When he gets shot by those arrows he pulls them right out like they wernt even there. I doubt they penetrated the bone...and he barely bled.
In the anime he fought against a psychic vampire and kens resistance against him was incredible....(he may have had some help though cant remember)
Dude can also levitatate, like when he fought Raoh.
Raoh dosen't even have to physically hit you to cause damage. He dented the wolf clan kings armour without even touching him. Ken can probably do the same. His power is more than just physical.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well I just looked at one of the most recent meta lists for mixed and Crocodile is in it who is someone that Ken can't beat physically. There is also a Pokemon and a Digimon in the Elite Meta tier and you have to prove that they have pressure points. There is also Megaman, and Ken can not beat Dio Brando. From the comic tier list I recall seeing Ghost Rider who doesn't have pressure points to my knowledge, even if he did he's not beating a Rider.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lord Soth for Low Herald
Originally posted by carver9
I'm referring to comic characters not anime characters. By the way, Ken can beat Ghost rider imo. The only thing that might be a problem is GR invulnerability but Ken would be annihilating him the entire match.
What?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Now before I continue do you mean the comic meta tier list or mixed genre tier list?
Originally posted by carver9
I'm referring to the mixed genre tier list. He could do it on both if you ask me. His punching power, speed, fighting skills, and durability is insane.
So in reality you were talking about the comic tier list? I don't see how you think he can beat Ghost Rider especially when you said his invulnerability is going to be a problem although Rider would beat him even if he didn't have it. Vision is in the Meta tier as well and Ken's not beating him.
Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine even teamed up with Spidey, Cap, Daredevil, and Sabertooth wouldn't last 1 panel imo.
Yes Ken would beat all of these people who are vastly inferior to him so what is the point of matching him up with ants?
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
The thing is with Ken is he could hit that hard, but choses to use his training to attack pressure points. There are numerous times when he knocks guys far away from him with a hit. Ken is real strong....in the movie a skyscraper falls on him...only his head is above it.....he walks right through it. Do you know how much a building of that size weighs.When he gets shot by those arrows he pulls them right out like they wernt even there. I doubt they penetrated the bone...and he barely bled.
In the anime he fought against a psychic vampire and kens resistance against him was incredible....(he may have had some help though cant remember)
Dude can also levitatate, like when he fought Raoh.
Raoh dosen't even have to physically hit you to cause damage. He dented the wolf clan kings armour without even touching him. Ken can probably do the same. His power is more than just physical.
No, no, no, no, no just no...
The movie is noncanon and he never demonstrated the ability to have any rock armor in the manga or the anime. Building feat is not applicable here.
Arrows aren't the only thing that has pierced him. Nanto Seiken has sliced and diced him up.
When did either of them levitate in their fight?
Yes Kenshiro has projectiles as well along with the Nanto Seiken styles, still doesn't make him a skyfather or a herald.
