Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
And what else is involved in said hits?
Skill and power UNLESS you think Hulk can walk around touching people paralyzing them or poking holes in people make there entire body explode or punching someone that is made out of pure steel making the body explode from the inside out.
Then Ken strength is also insane as well. He matched a guy strength that punched someone in the stomach, blew a hole through him and there was a skyscraper building like half a mile away and the shockwaves from the punch made the building explode.
I can't see Wolverine dealing with a punch of that caliber and I haven't seen anyone in Marvel or DC have any type of punching force like that (and please don't start bringing up lifting feats; 2 different things).
Originally posted by carver9
Skill and power UNLESS you think Hulk can walk around touching people paralyzing them or poking holes in people make there entire body explode or punching someone that is made out of pure steel making the body explode from the inside out.Then Ken strength is also insane as well. He matched a guy strength that punched someone in the stomach, blew a hole through him and there was a skyscraper building like half a mile away and the shockwaves from the punch made the building explode.
I can't see Wolverine dealing with a punch of that caliber and I haven't seen anyone in Marvel or DC have any type of punching force like that (and please don't start bringing up lifting feats; 2 different things).
In this case power and strength are the same. I know the answer to the question I asked but you seem to not know it or properly explain why Ken's case is different than Hulk's.
His body wasn't made of pure steel Carver...The Boss Fang's special ability hardens his skin as though it were steel and dulls the damage from normal blows. When he uses this technique, his skin turns a dull blueish tint. He can't completely protect his internal organs or pressure points from damage.
Do you even know what Ken's lifting feats are? There are also plenty of Marvel and DC characters without pressure points or with bodies that can counter the basis of Hokuto Shinken.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What are his feats?
Lord Soth, my fave D&D character other than Drizzt and Raistlin.
My favorite ability is his Power Word: Kill. Which is basically an ability that allows him to just say "die" and you die.
He's killed a dragon this way, IIRC.
Also, he's super strong, can cast mage spells, raise an undead army, is practically indestructible and is cool looking to boot. 🙂
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What are his feats?
as far as combat he's an expert swordsman, undead wraith, and has superhuman strength and reflexes.
feats he's killed a dragon ...has power words: kill, and lesser opponents die immediately, can cast various type of spells, including huge fireballs, magical words which stun or kill enemies, ice walls, cone of cold, etc...u'd have to read the book to get a better perception of his power scale
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Lord Soth, my fave D&D character other than Drizzt and Raistlin.My favorite ability is his Power Word: Kill. Which is basically an ability that allows him to just say "die" and you die.
He's killed a dragon this way, IIRC.
Also, he's super strong, can cast mage spells, raise an undead army, is practically indestructible and is cool looking to boot. 🙂
WOw thats like the cheapest move ever lol
Agree with Drizzt at low meta.
I'm mostly forgotten realms, dragonlance and a little bit of Darksun, I loved Spelljammer but I can't find the end of the series. LOL. Never got into Greyhawk and Ravenloft, tho.
I've DM'd for my friends for like 12 years (since we were in grade school) and they basically leveled their characters to 40 and ascended to godhood. 10 year campaign was awesome. LOL. So I basically had all the campaign settings sourcebooks.
Raistlin is dependent on w/c part of the series he was on. At the earlier parts, I'd say he'd be mid meta. Near the end of the Test of the Twins, he'd be AT LEAST skyfather level as he went to face Takhisis (the Goddess/Personification of evil) in her own realm and beyond that when he usurped Takhisis' power, combined it with his own and THEN beat Paladine.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Lord Soth, my fave D&D character other than Drizzt and Raistlin.My favorite ability is his Power Word: Kill. Which is basically an ability that allows him to just say "die" and you die.
He's killed a dragon this way, IIRC.
Also, he's super strong, can cast mage spells, raise an undead army, is practically indestructible and is cool looking to boot. 🙂
Not sure if that alone qualifies him as Low Herald.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well I think Marvel and BA should both be High Herald and I'm honestly surprised they weren't already. Diana.. questionable.I also believe Thanos should be moved out of Trans and without a doubt Tyrant should be well above Trans.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Idk, sounds uber, but are we to assume he can make anyone and anything die?Not sure if that alone qualifies him as Low Herald.
This thread isn't for determining comic book tier placements.
alot of mages in AD&D have single word kill, it usually is only applied to lesser beings. Which in Soths case would be regular humans...when he tried it on an equal Strahd von zarovich (think dracula but better spells) it had no effect
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Idk, sounds uber, but are we to assume he can make anyone and anything die?Not sure if that alone qualifies him as Low Herald.
This thread isn't for determining comic book tier placements.
The spell, in itself, SHOULD have limits to what it can kill. But the version Lord Soth has seems to be able to go beyond the limits of the spell. So, I can't really say.
Basically, the spell kills anything that's mortal. If it's immortal or undead, the spell doesn't affect them. If they're strong enough or have some sort of magical protection (like what Tanis had), they can resist it as well.
Also, spell-like abilities like this tend to have a limit on how many times they can be used per day.
I can't really place Lord Soth in any tier as, in my memory of the novel (and it's been a good 20 years since I've read it lol) he's really never been tested to his limits.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
alot of mages in AD&D have single word kill, it usually is only applied to lesser beings. Which in Soths case would be regular humans...when he tried it on an equal Strahd von zarovich (think dracula but better spells) it had no effect
Strahd is undead, tho and the spell doesn't affect the undead. IIRC, Soth used this spell on Strahd's red dragon (w/c has FAR more than 100 HPs)
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In this case power and strength are the same. I know the answer to the question I asked but you seem to not know it or properly explain why Ken's case is different than Hulk's.His body wasn't made of pure steel Carver...The Boss Fang's special ability hardens his skin as though it were steel and dulls the damage from normal blows. When he uses this technique, his skin turns a dull blueish tint. He can't completely protect his internal organs or pressure points from damage.
Do you even know what Ken's lifting feats are? There are also plenty of Marvel and DC characters without pressure points or with bodies that can counter the basis of Hokuto Shinken.
Not the same Wei.
Especially when we see Ken and his brother being trained on how to see/hit hundreds of pressure points on a persons body. That is something totally different than jus mere strength (even though strength does play a factor).
I already explained to you why Ken case is different than the Hulks. Again, if you can show me Hulk poking holes in someone making them explode, or their heads explode, then you might have an argument. Or touching people making them explode from the inside out.
We are talking about two different villians Wei.
Yes, I know of ken lifting feats. Lifting a big a** boulder to stop a water fall... destroying a tank with his feat, stopping 2 big a** machines from crushing him, etc, etc. Ken is strong... never seen an extent of his strength but again, strength has nothing to do with the thing that he does.
Lol... I know people could POSSIBLY counter his attacks but you act like Ken never faced super humans that had the ability to cancel his attacks. He just found another way of dealing with them.
Then let's not even include the fact that Ken could blitz these metas before they even got the chance to even register the thought of cancelling his attack.
