Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
So now you're trying to say that Kain=Odin?
i was saying Odins speed is lower than surfers and he uses magic not cosmic powers so i was stating magic can be just as effective in situations as cosmic and that speed doesnt always win a fight.
also whats odin capable of kain cannot do? the guy isnt even a true immortal, he will die of old age if ever he could not take the apples
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
1. Like I said, I'm going by what you yourself have stated Kain can do... create lightning and whatnot. Does Kain ever use his versatality?2. Are you attempting to imply that Kain = Odin?
1. versatility? well hell when the players play as him in the games they can do all sorts of things, kain uses teleportation to his advantage, he can instantly teleport and he uses this a lot, but since its a game you have IGS(in-game balance stupidity) as well as PIS, however his overall abilities stated by the developers themselves overrule the balance they put in games as well as PIS as it means the same if Marvel said "mr X has greater powers than mr Y"
2. same as i said to Debel
Originally posted by Burning thought1. But he hasn't actually shown to do anything more then what's in the game? Can I see proof that he can? Unless your argument is "It'z magik, sos it can do stuf!!1!"
1. versatility? well hell when the players play as him in the games they can do all sorts of things, kain uses teleportation to his advantage, he can instantly teleport and he uses this a lot, but since its a game you have IGS(in-game balance stupidity) as well as PIS, however his overall abilities stated by the developers themselves overrule the balance they put in games as well as PIS as it means the same if Marvel said "mr X has greater powers than mr Y"2. same as i said to Debel
Originally posted by Burning thoughtOdin destroys solar systems as side effects of his fights... possibly galaxies, I haven't seen the scan in a little bit.
i was saying Odins speed is lower than surfers and he uses magic not cosmic powers so i was stating magic can be just as effective in situations as cosmic and that speed doesnt always win a fight.also whats odin capable of kain cannot do? the guy isnt even a true immortal, he will die of old age if ever he could not take the apples
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
1. But he hasn't actually shown to do anything more then what's in the game? Can I see proof that he can? Unless your argument is "It'z magik, sos it can do stuf!!1!"
he has not actually done it no, doing it would mean destroying the only world, his home in the LOKverse he wants to excist on...why would he do it even if i can convince you he can, the same goes for most of his feets, if he doesnt need to use it, why would he, and as i said PIS...if he uses all his powers it wouldnt be a game would it, it would simply be one cinematic of kain doing everything and there would be no game to it, but here ill give you some links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circle_of_Nine
this wiki link describes the guardians
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/info/index.php info on various kain powers, shields, soul manipulation, time...also description on emblems.
http://www.thelostworlds.net/ vast amount of information, Debug menu stuff from the developers as well as Q/A theres things on here to confirm kains emblems connection to the guardians who can control great power
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The next thing you're going to claim, I suppose, that that overgrown octopus with mental manipulation powers who is titled Elder God is an Odin-level being and OMG what a god.
Not that. Not again. Not now.I'm tired, guys. Going to sleep now🙂
the Elder God isnt just an overgrown octopus, it is on a plane of excistence that cannot be seen unless purfied by the reaver or harmed, and eats the souls and energy of the land of nosgoth
Originally posted by Burning thought
he has not actually done it no, doing it would mean destroying the only world, his home in the LOKverse he wants to excist on...why would he do it even if i can convince you he can, the same goes for most of his feets, if he doesnt need to use it, why would he, and as i said PIS...if he uses all his powers it wouldnt be a game would it, it would simply be one cinematic of kain doing everything and there would be no game to it, but here ill give you some links.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circle_of_Nine
this wiki link describes the guardians
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/info/index.php info on various kain powers, shields, soul manipulation, time...also description on emblems.
http://www.thelostworlds.net/ vast amount of information, Debug menu stuff from the developers as well as Q/A theres things on here to confirm kains emblems connection to the guardians who can control great power
I know all those sites, for example there were claimed that they're going to add more powers to Soul Reaver in Defiance (connected to the Nature and Mind emblems). Those powers were never added, so they can't be used in actual debates.
Originally posted by Burning thought
the Elder God isnt just an overgrown octopus, it is on a plane of excistence that cannot be seen unless purfied by the reaver or harmed, and eats the souls and energy of the land of nosgoth
A spiritual being that couldn't free his tentacles from a few tons of rubble?
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I know all those sites, for example there were claimed that they're going to add more powers to Soul Reaver in Defiance (connected to the Nature and Mind emblems). Those powers were never added, so they can't be used in actual debates.
connected to all the emblems but were cut due to prodction times, not anything else, nothing to do with stories, so yes they could be considered canon just as anything else, its not the developers fault they did not have enough time to actually add them as part of the gameplay, but if its part of the story, its canon.....its also in the Debug menu, the developers pallete
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
A spiritual being that couldn't free his tentacles from a few tons of rubble?
when did this happen? he slashes through rubble easily and burrows through the planet, his mass is debatebly most of the planet...you obviously dont know the story, dont try and act like you do 😉
How do you know that the image on the mural displays possible future of Kain? Even if it's, tier system is based on a facts, not potential. We'll possibly never know what a "full evolved Kain" is. If we count possibilities, then we should automatically put all Omega level mutants on skyfather level despite their present showings.
Though Soul Reaver= one of the most badass weapons in videogames, that's for sure.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
How do you know that the image on the mural displays possible future of Kain? Even if it's, tier system is based on a facts, not potential. We'll possibly never know what a "full evolved Kain" is. If we count possibilities, then we should automatically put all Omega level mutants on skyfather level despite their present showings.Though Soul Reaver= one of the most badass weapons in videogames, that's for sure.
i know because it makes sense, kain evolves for sure, the next thing he will get is wings=the evolved form of kain, also kain is never fully evolved...he constantly evolves gaining various powers...and this is not the only reason, its a good reason for kains highfather status because in the time of about a few thousands of years, millions...zillions (he is immortal ofc) he would end up beyond imagination, his powers change, he gains new powers that are completly diffrent to some of his he already has....
the soul reaver i agree is perhaps one of the greatest weapons, especailly fully endowed...and kain has it, he can only be killed by his friend raziel in the blade who is sentient and so would not kill him..other than that...no matter the power of any being he wouldnt be killed..maybe even soul devouring wouldnt effect him if it was not from raziel, but id let that pass since his soul being devoured would make sense
but anyway, he has incredible powers and should be put at sky father level simply because he has all these abilities, he can steal souls literally killing most enemies who have zero protection...teleport and has perhaps the most badass weapon in history and cannot die from most things, these are bonuses...also use some imagination, his energy powers combined with his magic hes at least high herald/skyfather nothing lower for sure
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Odin destroys solar systems as side effects of his fights... possibly galaxies, I haven't seen the scan in a little bit.
That was obviously HYPERBOLE!! Not to mention Asgard is in a pocket dimension(you might as well say that Hulk could Thunder clap a dimension away)🙄. Odin was augmented (IIRC). 👇
But remember Odin has CASUALLY knocked the Silver Surfer out. 🙄
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Wonder why Kos-Mos with her Galaxies/universe busting feat is still just a high herald.
because thats the extent of it, her galaxy/universe busting is still really only on a physical basis, its power can only go so far, but against spiritual, magical beings it may not be so effective.