Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

It pisses me off when people start throwing around words like "infinity" etc without many sence. That's not a good way to advertise your character.

Transfiguration since when (shapeshifting and spells like Implode or that one when you poison your victim's corpse isn't real transfuguration)? Power over dimension=portals, combat teleportation and reality distortion (Ambrose Chase has reality distortion powers but he's just low meta).

Kain at his best is strong middle herald or low high herald (though if complete Soul Reaver gives him access to spiritual realm, which is part of supposed powerset of full-evolved Kain, he might make it to the lower end of sub-skyfather tier).

We don't use suppposition for these tiers.

And which Skyfather was it that couldn't manipulate energy...?

What's Kain's speed? How vulnerable is he to mental attacks?

Kain's top recorded speed isn't impressive(though he can teleport and manipulate time, so that's a bit compensated). He even hasn't supersonic speed feats (the best feat of combat speed is moronically swinging his sword (which is pretty badass weapon, though) at the speed that blade appears blury- street leveler can do that). And yet Kain fanboys claim he can keep up with characters with proven supersonic combat/reaction speed feats in terms of speed.
He's probably resistant to mental manipulation, having quite decent mental powers himself (though some of them are overrated by Kain fanboys).

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
We don't use suppposition for these tiers.

And which Skyfather was it that couldn't manipulate energy...?

What's Kain's speed? How vulnerable is he to mental attacks?

Many of Kain's fanboys claims are nothing but supposition, sadly, yet thay like to discredit legitimate feats of other characters.

Well, Surfer can do damn near everything Kain seems to be able to do, as well as a truckload of other stuff, like move at speeds that put even Superman to shame, not to mention possessing very good mental resistance, and even TP of his own.

There's a ton of characters in the Mid-High who have super speed in the extreme, and most have good mental resistance.

So Kain is definetely not skyfather, mid herald would be quite fair if we get rid of ifs and buts.

I would say so, yeah.

Beta ray Bill is a pretty masterful energy manipulator, can hop dimensions, all that jazz.

That's with speed and tp resistance, and he's only Mid Herald (though he SHOULD be bottom of the High Herald list).

Firestorm's effectively a very powerful matter manipulator, and he's only Mid Herald.

Kain seems like solid mid herald to me...

but can any of these be completly invulerable to harm? no...

the only weapon that can kill kain is a soul devouring weapon, that means that superman at full strength, Hulk, hell anything that cannot devour his soul is completly useless to him no matter how high they are, thats a pretty good feet in itself..

also energy manipulation yes, but boundless, if it states said character through in this case the energy emblem on his sword can do said feet, then it cannot be denied, he has infnite magical power for defniate, his energy manipulation howver he has never "used" its been said he can do it, so PIS ftw...

Kains speed is not great, its been stated faster than any human when he was young kain but hes evolved since then, although he has many other powers, for example a fast being such as superman/surfer can do nothing to him, they have no soul devouring powers as far as i know, same with Kos-Mosw who has been put at sky-father tier...Kain on the other hand has powers over souls and energy and time stop/slow..these feets combined i think can put him in a good high father level for sure.

when he has the full balance emblem he is gaining powers from a source higher than that of the pillar guardians and his powers theresfore would be greater than theirs...and they can do the feets i posed..his dimesion combat teleportation Debel said is gameplay, what hes doing is breaking through dimensional barriers and at the same time can warp reality so that all his opponents take the same damage, if these feets are nothing on sky-father then why is Kos-mos on there.

Kain has shown immunity to mind control (BO2) and by the end of the game seems to be able to hide himself from Omnicient beings to an extent.

kains only weakness is soul devourers (although he has resistence, its what can kill him) and his speed, he has also the ability without his sword to freeze single beings in time, stun brains so they become cataconic, control weather (lightning) without the sword, but yes his sword is a main power weapon, like Thors hammer

The strongest Dragonball characters (Manga based) , are multiple Solar System destroyers .
The strongest Dragonball characters (Anime based) , are Galaxy/Universal destroyers .

Originally posted by Burning thought
but can any of these be completly invulerable to harm? no...

the only weapon that can kill kain is a soul devouring weapon, that means that superman at full strength, Hulk, hell anything that cannot devour his soul is completly useless to him no matter how high they are, thats a pretty good feet in itself..

also energy manipulation yes, but boundless, if it states said character through in this case the energy emblem on his sword can do said feet, then it cannot be denied, he has infnite magical power for defniate, his energy manipulation howver he has never "used" its been said he can do it, so PIS ftw...

Kains speed is not great, its been stated faster than any human when he was young kain but hes evolved since then, although he has many other powers, for example a fast being such as superman/surfer can do nothing to him, they have no soul devouring powers as far as i know, same with Kos-Mosw who has been put at sky-father tier...Kain on the other hand has powers over souls and energy and time stop/slow..these feets combined i think can put him in a good high father level for sure.

when he has the full balance emblem he is gaining powers from a source higher than that of the pillar guardians and his powers theresfore would be greater than theirs...and they can do the feets i posed..his dimesion combat teleportation Debel said is gameplay, what hes doing is breaking through dimensional barriers and at the same time can warp reality so that all his opponents take the same damage, if these feets are nothing on sky-father then why is Kos-mos on there.

Kain has shown immunity to mind control (BO2) and by the end of the game seems to be able to hide himself from Omnicient beings to an extent.

kains only weakness is soul devourers (although he has resistence, its what can kill him) and his speed, he has also the ability without his sword to freeze single beings in time, stun brains so they become cataconic, control weather (lightning) without the sword, but yes his sword is a main power weapon, like Thors hammer

Unkillable doesn't equal invulnerable, darling. That's the same as with Wolverine's and Deadpool's immortality. Don't confuse words.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The strongest Dragonball characters ([b]Manga based) , are planet destroyers .
The strongest Dragonball characters (Anime based) , are non-canon . [/B]

Fixed.

Originally posted by Soljer
Broken.

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Originally posted by Burning thought
but can any of these be completly invulerable to harm? no...

the only weapon that can kill kain is a soul devouring weapon, that means that superman at full strength, Hulk, hell anything that cannot devour his soul is completly useless to him no matter how high they are, thats a pretty good feet in itself..

also energy manipulation yes, but boundless, if it states said character through in this case the energy emblem on his sword can do said feet, then it cannot be denied, he has infnite magical power for defniate, his energy manipulation howver he has never "used" its been said he can do it, so PIS ftw...

Kains speed is not great, its been stated faster than any human when he was young kain but hes evolved since then, although he has many other powers, for example a fast being such as superman/surfer can do nothing to him, they have no soul devouring powers as far as i know, same with Kos-Mosw who has been put at sky-father tier...Kain on the other hand has powers over souls and energy and time stop/slow..these feets combined i think can put him in a good high father level for sure.

when he has the full balance emblem he is gaining powers from a source higher than that of the pillar guardians and his powers theresfore would be greater than theirs...and they can do the feets i posed..his dimesion combat teleportation Debel said is gameplay, what hes doing is breaking through dimensional barriers and at the same time can warp reality so that all his opponents take the same damage, if these feets are nothing on sky-father then why is Kos-mos on there.

Kain has shown immunity to mind control (BO2) and by the end of the game seems to be able to hide himself from Omnicient beings to an extent.

kains only weakness is soul devourers (although he has resistence, its what can kill him) and his speed, he has also the ability without his sword to freeze single beings in time, stun brains so they become cataconic, control weather (lightning) without the sword, but yes his sword is a main power weapon, like Thors hammer

That's not even a feat. Do you know what a feat is? haermm

It states, it states... so? Has he ever shown to have NO upper limit whatsoever? Otherwise, that sounds like hyperbole...

That's nice.

Silver Surfer's traversed galaxies in the time it takes to have a couple-sentence conversation.

Has this ever been shown, or is this all supposition?

And how powerful was the telepath attacking his mind?

Surfer can do all of that, plus, a couple million other possibilities of attack.

Lol @ Kain giving a highfather a run for their money... haermm

He even said that Kain could beat a weakened Galactus.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Unkillable doesn't equal invulnerable, darling. That's the same as with Wolverine's and Deadpool's immortality. Don't confuse words.

no immortality is diffrent darling, immortality is beng ageless as in, you dont age normally...Kain cannot be killed, by anything other than having his soul destroyed, can wolverine be killed by having his body dissolved to nothing?

@snazzy do you know kain at all? if so where is your information coming from? if not.....what is your credibility in debating this at all?

boundless is stated, he has not shown upper limit or lower, boundless means the same in any universe

good for silver surfer 😕 this means anything to do with this?

the telepath was controlling a small army of humans with his mind, this was young kain without Mind emblem, and he wasnt even bothered by the telepath.

whats a highfather going to do trapped in time, or have his soul ripped from his body...lol@ a highfather harming kain

@Estacado, Galactus in one of his weakened states in a PIS has been beaten by many beings

Originally posted by Estacado
He even said that Kain could beat a weakened Galactus.

Not to mention he once claimed Kain can beat Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Not to mention he once claimed Kain can beat Living Tribunal.

years ago, ime far wiser, not my fault i didnt know what the thing was, its funny how someone like Estacado no matter how many hundreds more foolish things hes done than me tries to pull the rug from under me and someone like Debel eats off Dantes @ss and knows little about Kain anyway seems to try and hate him down while aiming names like fanboy my way lol ...

Originally posted by Burning thought
no immortality is diffrent darling, immortality is beng ageless as in, you dont age normally...Kain cannot be killed, by anything other than having his soul destroyed, can wolverine be killed by having his body dissolved to nothing?

@snazzy do you know kain at all? if so where is your information coming from? if not.....what is your credibility in debating this at all?

boundless is stated, he has not shown upper limit or lower, boundless means the same in any universe

good for silver surfer 😕 this means anything to do with this?

the telepath was controlling a small army of humans with his mind, this was young kain without Mind emblem, and he wasnt even bothered by the telepath.

whats a highfather going to do trapped in time, or have his soul ripped from his body...lol@ a highfather harming kain

@Estacado, Galactus in one of his weakened states in a PIS has been beaten by many beings

Some of skyfathers have time manipulation themselves. And recently I had enough evidence to state that time manipulation powers can negate each other, it's not a gunfight (so I was a bit wrong in Dante vs Kain thread- time manipulation advantage goes to none of them).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Some of skyfathers have time manipulation themselves. And recently I had enough evidence to state that time manipulation powers can negate each other, it's not a gunfight (so I was a bit wrong in Dante vs Kain thread- time manipulation advantage goes to none of them).

can they negate eachother? hmm whats the evidence, it makes some sense to me, but where is this evidence ime curious..also what skyfathers can do this? i mean stop/slow time ive seen no evidence of some of them doing it, although since theres a few of them i can imagine they may be able to.

But time manipulation is not kains only ability, wheras it could be the only way out for some skyfathers facing kain, those without soul protection. I mean heavens above some of the Skyfathers, if not most are not even true immortals

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
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Go ahead and scan me the page where any Dragonball or Dragonball Z character destroys multiple solar systems.

I'll wait. 🙂.

Oh, that's right, the most that's EVER been destroyed is a planet.