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Originally posted by Violent2Dope
You directly said that as long as it is not soul based Kain has infinate durability, when I believe that the sun will kill him. You say most of Pyron's powers are hyperbole, how so? Even more so than the boundless energy manipulation nonsense?

yes, because boundless energy wasnt my direct assumption, i have sources where i got that from, and its said in the game, i belive it is hyperbole but youve brought up feets without any proof nor site...and yes, soul based kain does, becase he cannot be killed by anything that is not soul based...so in essence he would have infnite durability if its not a soul based attack...not to menstion he can go batty if hes damaged and has shown a healing factor such as near instant healing of his chest after just having his heart torn out,not to menstion not even being in any pain or bother from this if htats not great durability, then i dont know what is...

the sun cannot kill him, it may destroy his body, but he will simply reform elsware...

No, I'm saying tell me which powers you have a beef with and I will happily oblige you.

okie instant size manipulation of his own, to an extent of humanoid form to galaxy and vice versa

light speed or >light speed feet thats undeniably his speed..no assumptions

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes, because boundless energy wasnt my direct assumption, i have sources where i got that from, and its said in the game, i belive it is hyperbole but youve brought up feets without any proof nor site...and yes, soul based kain does, becase he cannot be killed by anything that is not soul based...so in essence he would have infnite durability if its not a soul based attack...not to menstion he can go batty if hes damaged and has shown a healing factor such as near instant healing of his chest after just having his heart torn out,not to menstion not even being in any pain or bother from this if htats not great durability, then i dont know what is...

the sun cannot kill him, it may destroy his body, but he will simply reform elsware...

Originally posted by Soljer
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i dont understad what you mean Creshosk, or do you mean thats what comes to mind when kain cannot be bodily destroyed?

Originally posted by Burning thought
i dont understad what you mean Creshosk, or do you mean thats what comes to mind when kain cannot be bodily destroyed?

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's what comes to mind when you say that he cannot be bodily destroyed.

i see 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's what comes to mind when you say that he cannot be bodily destroyed. which from the sounds of it he can, just not bodily killed.

*shrug* sure his body can seemingly be destroyed, then he reforms so its all for nothing.

Originally posted by Burning thought
okie instant size manipulation of his own, to an extent of humanoid form to galaxy and vice versa

light speed or >light speed feet thats undeniably his speed..no assumptions

As for the beyond lightspeed shit, on the second four piece scan I posted, when the Huitzil contacts him, this is 65,000,000 years after he first came to earth, he is VERY far away from earth, as he has been eating planets and shit, and during his conversation with Phobos, you clearly see earth coming up in the distance. He is very fast, beyond lightspeed. Any other doubts on his powers, just ask.

Originally posted by Burning thought
*shrug* sure his body can seemingly be destroyed, then he reforms so its all for nothing.

So its not really that farfethched that Kain can do it.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Okay, in the first scan he periodically in little time at all goes from human size, to I'd say maybe 500 or more feet tall, then to a size with his chest being bigger than the planet, also if you want I can get that vid from the OVA that shows him rapidly changing size several times in it.

As for the beyond lightspeed shit, on the second four piece scan I posted, when the Huitzil contacts him, this is 65,000,000 years after he first came to earth, he is VERY far away from earth, as he has been eating planets and shit, and during his conversation with Phobos, you clearly see earth coming up in the distance. He is very fast, beyond lightspeed. Any other doubts on his powers, just ask.

id like to see the OVA again, i dont buy the scan rubbish

same as above, scan rubbish...first nothing on there suggests hes far from earth, infact you can see him quite clearly as a shiny light..if he was that far away, you couldnt see him so clearly..its still a doubt of his speed, for all anyone knows he could have been merely on the edge of the solarsystem after finishing off a good many planets before then...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, not disputing that. Several characters in comics can do that. Classic juggernaut and now wolverine appearently haveing regenerated from a skeleton for his third time... for two Marvel examples.

So its not really that farfethched that Kain can do it.

Aye, kain doesnt regenerate tho like them, thats his normal regeneration, if he is bodily comepltly destryoed he would have to reform through his soul essence, or the attack wouldnt do anything to him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
id like to see the OVA again, i dont buy the scan rubbish

same as above, scan rubbish...first nothing on there suggests hes far from earth, infact you can see him quite clearly as a shiny light..if he was that far away, you couldnt see him so clearly..its still a doubt of his speed, for all anyone knows he could have been merely on the edge of the solarsystem after finishing off a good many planets before then...

No, here you are just wrong. You could see him as a shiny light from earth right after he left, but 65 million years passed since then. Even after he left the planet, he was planet sized, and looked like a red star, that showshe has great speed in itself, and then when Phobos contacts him, you clearly see earth in the distance in a short time. That is awesome speed. He sure as balls was not on the edge of the solar system, for one only earth has life in the solar system, the other planets would be useless to him, for another thing he is wearing galaxies for rings. Even in 65 million years, you would need beyond lightspeed to have consumed that many galaxies.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
The scan clearly shows him quickly changing size, there is no dispute on that, but I will get the OVA vid.

No, here you are just wrong. You could see him as a shiny light from earth right after he left, but 65 million years passed since then. Even after he left the planet, he was planet sized, and looked like a red star, that showshe has great speed in itself, and then when Phobos contacts him, you clearly see earth in the distance in a short time. That is awesome speed. He sure as balls was not on the edge of the solar system, for one only earth has life in the solar system, the other planets would be useless to him, for another thing he is wearing galaxies for rings. Even in 65 million years, you would need beyond lightspeed to have consumed that many galaxies.

hes wearing galaxies for rings when? the only time ive seen that is at the end of the darkstalkers game, the time between him finishing the battles and gaining that power is unkown, it could of taken him another million years. You see him as a light in the distance alot of the times, both when he leaves and when he returns, we know he cannot do it instantly, it seems he has to gain some momentum before he can go at any great speed

Originally posted by Burning thought
hes wearing galaxies for rings when? the only time ive seen that is at the end of the darkstalkers game, the time between him finishing the battles and gaining that power is unkown, it could of taken him another million years. You see him as a light in the distance alot of the times, both when he leaves and when he returns, we know he cannot do it instantly, it seems he has to gain some momentum before he can go at any great speed

You only see the light in the distance from earth once, and 65 million years later he arrives there in little time. Also, he doesn't so much have to build momentum it seems as he just has to be in ball form, and he is in that form alot anyway. Similar to how SS needs his board to go top speed.

Since you asked I have the OVA vid. It shows how Pyron fights his opponents in it and his canon attacks, tho OVA Pyron is signifigantly weaker than canon Pyron. It basically shows Pyron beating on the other DSers at 20% power with ease, and if you hate Slipknot, just mute the vid.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Burning thought
hes wearing galaxies for rings when? the only time ive seen that is at the end of the darkstalkers game, the time between him finishing the battles and gaining that power is unkown, it could of taken him another million years. You see him as a light in the distance alot of the times, both when he leaves and when he returns, we know he cannot do it instantly, it seems he has to gain some momentum before he can go at any great speed

Also Kain in full potential was never shown, thus not exist. That way we can claim Elixir for skyfather since he's a proven Omega mutant and has endless evolution. Just like Kain.

The Lost Worlds is a site describing unrealized gameplay possibilities which were never made a part of actual canon (so we can't use Spirit Reaver planned in SR2 for Raziel as a part of his arsenal in actual debate).
"Kain being so unearthly powerful that the limits of his power weren't shown neither in gameplay nor in cutscenes" is BS statement to my taste. Yet when full potential of other characters is shown either in gameplay or in cinematics (Dante's Super Sparda form in DMC2, for example- though it had to be made extremely short-living due to balance purposes) you tend to disapprove on that. Weird standarts to my taste.

The only thing when we see something that looks like full evolved Kain is some murals which may depict possible future.

Hey CD, what would you rank Pyron? I say he's at least Skyfather.

This is a comic site that tells you Pyron's powers and stuffs. They also have a rank on his powers, but the rank is pretty much just voted on by fans so it's not really reliable.

http://www.comicvine.com/pyron/44099/

Don't like Darkstalkers but he looks Galactus-level to me from what I've seen. He deserves at least transcendent.

And as for his beating by Demitry...Pyron seems to be weak to magic, that's his Achilles' heel so that was reasonable.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Also Kain in full potential was never shown, thus not exist. That way we can claim Elixir for skyfather since he's a proven Omega mutant and has endless evolution. Just like Kain.

The Lost Worlds is a site describing unrealized gameplay possibilities which were never made a part of actual canon (so we can't use Spirit Reaver planned in SR2 for Raziel as a part of his arsenal in actual debate).
"Kain being so unearthly powerful that the limits of his power weren't shown neither in gameplay nor in cutscenes" is BS statement to my taste. Yet when full potential of other characters is shown either in gameplay or in cinematics (Dante's Super Sparda form in DMC2, for example- though it had to be made extremely short-living due to balance purposes) you tend to disapprove on that. Weird standarts to my taste.

The only thing when we see something that looks like full evolved Kain is some murals which may depict possible future.

Kain evolving is a definate, it doesnt have to be shown, although your part wrong, it was shown in the murals as you have said, Raziel gains wings, surpassing kain, which means kain would get it later. Does this mutant evolve incredibly diffrent powers over courses of every 10-100 years?....

The lost worlds digs up information on things that shoud have been in the game but were cut due to either balance and/or the game needing to ship when they said it was going to, simply because its not in the gameplay doesnt mean it never excists, as it says the developers were going to add it if it werent only for time, since in debates the characters are supposedly real, kains powers wouldnt be kept back by balance/gameplay reasons or developers reasons, so if they were going to give him a power but due to time/balance, then its a power canon kain woud have, it makes sense, altho you seem to have a vendetta against me/kain or both so it seems you prob wont agree anyway.

in DMC super sparda is a gameplay element, he is invincincle as part of a gameplay element...the costumes give infnite DT as a gameplay element...he has no reason/showings of being invulerable in sparda mode, in his fight with mundus he was impaled by the dark energies showing his powers are inconsistent and do not always work in deflecting dark magic and he is not immune.

also kain for skyfather isnt just because he evolves constantly, but its a plus towards a higher rank in comparison to those who do not have it, I.E dante...Kos-mos..etc etc

definatley high herald for Pyron, Kos-Mos>Pyrons destructive feets, especially at full power she apparently wipes out a universe or something, far beyond pyron