Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Burning thought
definatley high herald for Pyron, Kos-Mos>Pyrons destructive feets, especially at full power she apparently wipes out a universe or something, far beyond pyron

Originally posted by illadelph12
Yes, it does include video game characters.

I was wondering where we'd put Sephiroth, actually.

Hard to know. He never revealed his true potential(real power), but from what we know, he is in the same level of Goddess Minerva. And she is the living will of the planet, responsible for the creation of the Weapons, Zirconiade, Holly, Omega, Chaos, etc.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Pffffft, Pyron could wipe out the Andromeda galaxy with a punch. He is faster and stronger than KOSMOS as well. Pyron is immune to all forms of damage with the exception of magic, which as we know is a useful plot device in many areas. Also, I read this up, KOSMOS destroying a universe requires the TWS, and when she did it, it was the result of a collision of her power with another similarily powered individual. Also, KOSMOS lacks the powers required for a Skyfather that Pyron has, such as matter manipulation/creation. Pyron would destroy KOSMOS in battle, all the TWS will do her no good, neither will that nifty thing that absorbs things, as he coulod just tele brhind her, then tele her to a white star, the hottest of stars. Pyron will be fine, KOSMOS will die. KOSMOS does not have Kain's luxury of being immortal. Skyfather for Pyron mos def.

the only reason pyron could destroy andromeda is in his massive size at the end of the fighting game, endings are not canon and the time with which it took him to get to such a size is unknown, hell as Cowgirl now DK pointed out to me, he wasnt even standing next to it it seems, he was simply saying where he was going to go to next....also his galaxies for rings are of unkown size, and could be just as seemingly uncannon or they could be miniature galaxies, as you call them dwarf ones, they could be as small as planets, thats all it looks like round his fingers.

also just because someone has matter manipulation and energy doesnt mean they get skyfather, it seems Kos-mos gets high herald becuse of her galaxy/universe destroying feet, yet kain gets below it because he doesnt have large destruction feets, imo canon Pyron has nothing on destruction as kos-mos does with her high powered weapon systems, not to menstion she can take beings from other dimensions and phase them into reality with the hilbert effect, yet kain has energy/matter manipulation as well as so many other powers yet because of no destruction feets he doesnt get higher than med herald 🙄

also immune to all forms of damage, where does it say that? we see him getting punched and buffeted several times in the OVA and in the DS game he can be hit in-game is there any instance or info that says hes completly immune to physical?

Kos-mos durability i dont know so i wont debate her surviving in a star, although shes quite fast, perhaps faster than pyron so even if he tries to teleport, before his shield goes down which imo is slow in comparison to say lightspeed, can Kos-mos go lightspeed?

i still say Pyron for High herald with Kos-mos and kain for high herald, altho i still belive he is a sky-father, pyron for sky-father if i agree that Andromeda galaxy sized pyron is real. maybe we can do Andromeda pyron and normal one, put normal in high herald and the andromeda in sky-father, theres a full power and normal Kos-mos

Originally posted by Burning thought
the only reason pyron could destroy andromeda is in his massive size at the end of the fighting game, endings are not canon and the time with which it took him to get to such a size is unknown, hell as Cowgirl now DK pointed out to me, he wasnt even standing next to it it seems, he was simply saying where he was going to go to next....also his galaxies for rings are of unkown size, and could be just as seemingly uncannon or they could be miniature galaxies, as you call them dwarf ones, they could be as small as planets, thats all it looks like round his fingers.

also just because someone has matter manipulation and energy doesnt mean they get skyfather, it seems Kos-mos gets high herald becuse of her galaxy/universe destroying feet, yet kain gets below it because he doesnt have large destruction feets, imo canon Pyron has nothing on destruction as kos-mos does with her high powered weapon systems, not to menstion she can take beings from other dimensions and phase them into reality with the hilbert effect, yet kain has energy/matter manipulation as well as so many other powers yet because of no destruction feets he doesnt get higher than med herald 🙄

also immune to all forms of damage, where does it say that? we see him getting punched and buffeted several times in the OVA and in the DS game he can be hit in-game is there any instance or info that says hes completly immune to physical?

Kos-mos durability i dont know so i wont debate her surviving in a star, although shes quite fast, perhaps faster than pyron so even if he tries to teleport, before his shield goes down which imo is slow in comparison to say lightspeed, can Kos-mos go lightspeed?

i still say Pyron for High herald with Kos-mos and kain for high herald, altho i still belive he is a sky-father, pyron for sky-father if i agree that Andromeda galaxy sized pyron is real. maybe we can do Andromeda pyron and normal one, put normal in high herald and the andromeda in sky-father, theres a full power and normal Kos-mos

1. In fighting games, endings show canon abilities from characters, as long as they recieve no power up. Pyron's size changing is nearly instant, it does not take long, all he is doing is expanding his energy outward, as opposed to condensing it, tho that's just my theory on how he changes size, tho it makes sense. I know that the pic of him standing next to Andromeda by itself would not qualify him for that size, but the thing that shows him wearing galaxies for rings does. Dwarf galaxies are still quite some ways bigger than planets.

2. Did you miss the part where I said she had help on that universe busting feat? And she needs a specific weapon to do it. Matter manipulation/creation is pretty much required for Skyfather, that's a reason why KOSMOS is not. As I said, Kain is a fairly weak character with nifty abilities, which means in terms of destructive power, strength, speed, and actual durability, he is nothing special, but his abilities get him into Mid Herald. Pyron could destroy KOSMOS by sending her to a white star, she is still subceptible to dying. Pyron can create heralds and give them powers and a purpose in seconds, which also shows incredible intellect, he also has cosmic awareness, and can punch out the Andromeda galaxy if he wanted, and the Andromeda is a very big galaxy. Those are some reasons I say Pyron is at least Skyfather.

3. In the OVA, he was at 20% power and punking everyone he fought, Demitri thot he was hurting him, but then he tried to punch him in the chest, and his fist went straight thru, and got caught, and Pyron just smiled. The olny time he was injured was at the end, Pyron was confused about sumthin I think, and Donavan used all of his and his sword's power to Silver Surfer his ass, and his sword has three magical Gods in it, not to mention his own mystic powers. Tho the OVA is also a much toned down and weaker Pyron. In game means nothing, I can use B.B. Hood and kill Jedah if I wished in a fight, but canonwise, it would NEVER happen. Pyron is made of pure energy, he has shown to be highly resistant or immune to most ways of attack, magic is his Achilles heel, which is why Demitri could beat him.

4. KOSMOS' durability is great, tho I don't think it can take the intense heat of a white star. As for her speed, while in TWS mode she can go at sub-lightspeeds, which is not Pyron speed, and mind you that is only if she has the TWS. Also, I said Pyron could tele if she tried to use her absorption weapon on him, he could tele behind her before being pulled in and tele her to a white sun, or maybe he could kill her using his strength, tho KOSMOS appears to have more durability than she does strength, so I think the white sun method would be the way to go.

5. I still say Pyron for at least Skyfather. KOSMOS I agree would be about High Herald, maybe Transcendant. Kain I would put Mid Herald, cause even tho he has those nifty powers, he doesn't have the physical strength, speed, or actual durability of a herald(I know he can't die). Also, Pyron at his man size is just as powerful as Andromeda Pyron me thinks, he is basically just condensing his power to a much smaller size I think.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I really do not see why my post required a word quilt but okay, I'l try to answer it.

1. In fighting games, endings show canon abilities from characters, as long as they recieve no power up. Pyron's size changing is nearly instant, it does not take long, all he is doing is expanding his energy outward, as opposed to condensing it, tho that's just my theory on how he changes size, tho it makes sense. I know that the pic of him standing next to Andromeda by itself would not qualify him for that size, but the thing that shows him wearing galaxies for rings does. Dwarf galaxies are still quite some ways bigger than planets.

2. Did you miss the part where I said she had help on that universe busting feat? And she needs a specific weapon to do it. Matter manipulation/creation is pretty much required for Skyfather, that's a reason why KOSMOS is not. As I said, Kain is a fairly weak character with nifty abilities, which means in terms of destructive power, strength, speed, and actual durability, he is nothing special, but his abilities get him into Mid Herald. Pyron could destroy KOSMOS by sending her to a white star, she is still subceptible to dying. Pyron can create heralds and give them powers and a purpose in seconds, which also shows incredible intellect, he also has cosmic awareness, and can punch out the Andromeda galaxy if he wanted, and the Andromeda is a very big galaxy. Those are some reasons I say Pyron is at least Skyfather.

3. In the OVA, he was at 20% power and punking everyone he fought, Demitri thot he was hurting him, but then he tried to punch him in the chest, and his fist went straight thru, and got caught, and Pyron just smiled. The olny time he was injured was at the end, Pyron was confused about sumthin I think, and Donavan used all of his and his sword's power to Silver Surfer his ass, and his sword has three magical Gods in it, not to mention his own mystic powers. Tho the OVA is also a much toned down and weaker Pyron. In game means nothing, I can use B.B. Hood and kill Jedah if I wished in a fight, but canonwise, it would NEVER happen. Pyron is made of pure energy, he has shown to be highly resistant or immune to most ways of attack, magic is his Achilles heel, which is why Demitri could beat him.

4. KOSMOS' durability is great, tho I don't think it can take the intense heat of a white star. As for her speed, while in TWS mode she can go at sub-lightspeeds, which is not Pyron speed, and mind you that is only if she has the TWS. Also, I said Pyron could tele if she tried to use her absorption weapon on him, he could tele behind her before being pulled in and tele her to a white sun, or maybe he could kill her using his strength, tho KOSMOS appears to have more durability than she does strength, so I think the white sun method would be the way to go.

5. I still say Pyron for at least Skyfather. KOSMOS I agree would be about High Herald, maybe Transcendant. Kain I would put Mid Herald, cause even tho he has those nifty powers, he doesn't have the physical strength, speed, or actual durability of a herald(I know he can't die). Also, Pyron at his man size is just as powerful as Andromeda Pyron me thinks, he is basically just condensing his power to a much smaller size I think.

1. pyron becoming Andromeda size is a powerup, the planets he would need to consume to be able to do that is a powerup...theres no source ive seen so far to think he can become any size he wishes before gaining sufficiant power from planets, the planets would be a powerup for sure. Also what is the picture where hes wearing galaxies for rings, is that the same ending sequence?

2. help as in what? you said it was also the other enemy she was fighting but her Tertiory wep system is capable of galaxy destroying by itself from what ive seen. Kain is fairly weak? sure physical strength wise he doesnt have planet punchng, but strength to smash planets is an ability, a nifty one just as much as kains powers are, their just diffrent, pyrons powers are nifty abilities just as much as kains, diffrence is that kain has more of them, such as time manipulation. Durability? the guys durability is basically infnite since he cannot die, simply reforms...thats sort of the highest end of the spectrum if you cannot be truly destryoed in durability, also his powers allow the famous mist to simply avoid most physical attacks. Also you keep saying Pyron teleprots her to a white star, but ime curious, A: how would he know where to find a white star? and B: how would he be able to teleport there, his teleport from what ive seen hasnt got infnite range, further more his shield still isnt sub-light even if i agreed pyron can move as such. The andromeda galaxy part...maybe a few punches if agreed that he can be of that size if he wants to yet his other powers are lacking but actually come to think of it, hed end up putting his hand through it and a black hole would get him, draining him away so no he prob couldnt punch the Andromeda.

3. not 100% true, Demitri managed to punch pyron over in the face if you remember

4. white star, i dont know, if she can survive the power and explosive energy of her weapons, if her weapons can generate that type of power in the first place, ime quite sure no type of sun is going to melt her if shes got the durability to survive her own galaxy destroying blasts.

5. Pyron high herald along with Kos-mos still, she has shown to be able to destroy galaxies or more and survive similiar attacks herself, if Pyron gets high herald then it would make sense, pyrons powers are still not quite varied enough for a full skyfather imo...also with kain, i disagree on durability for the obvious reason, his got basically max survivability of even a true skyfather depending on his opponent and his abilities are simply not speed/strength...hes one of magic and that shouldnt cancel him out for skyfather, his powers can allow an incredible amount of diffrent things including time/dimension and energy manipulation, he should be at least high herald/Transcendant due to huge abilities list and near invulerability.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. pyron becoming Andromeda size is a powerup, the planets he would need to consume to be able to do that is a powerup...theres no source ive seen so far to think he can become any size he wishes before gaining sufficiant power from planets, the planets would be a powerup for sure. Also what is the picture where hes wearing galaxies for rings, is that the same ending sequence?

2. help as in what? you said it was also the other enemy she was fighting but her Tertiory wep system is capable of galaxy destroying by itself from what ive seen. Kain is fairly weak? sure physical strength wise he doesnt have planet punchng, but strength to smash planets is an ability, a nifty one just as much as kains powers are, their just diffrent, pyrons powers are nifty abilities just as much as kains, diffrence is that kain has more of them, such as time manipulation. Durability? the guys durability is basically infnite since he cannot die, simply reforms...thats sort of the highest end of the spectrum if you cannot be truly destryoed in durability, also his powers allow the famous mist to simply avoid most physical attacks. Also you keep saying Pyron teleprots her to a white star, but ime curious, A: how would he know where to find a white star? and B: how would he be able to teleport there, his teleport from what ive seen hasnt got infnite range, further more his shield still isnt sub-light even if i agreed pyron can move as such. The andromeda galaxy part...maybe a few punches if agreed that he can be of that size if he wants to yet his other powers are lacking but actually come to think of it, hed end up putting his hand through it and a black hole would get him, draining him away so no he prob couldnt punch the Andromeda.

3. not 100% true, Demitri managed to punch pyron over in the face if you remember

4. white star, i dont know, if she can survive the power and explosive energy of her weapons, if her weapons can generate that type of power in the first place, ime quite sure no type of sun is going to melt her if shes got the durability to survive her own galaxy destroying blasts.

5. Pyron high herald along with Kos-mos still, she has shown to be able to destroy galaxies or more and survive similiar attacks herself, if Pyron gets high herald then it would make sense, pyrons powers are still not quite varied enough for a full skyfather imo...also with kain, i disagree on durability for the obvious reason, his got basically max survivability of even a true skyfather depending on his opponent and his abilities are simply not speed/strength...hes one of magic and that shouldnt cancel him out for skyfather, his powers can allow an incredible amount of diffrent things including time/dimension and energy manipulation, he should be at least high herald/Transcendant due to huge abilities list and near invulerability.

2. No, when their powers collided, they destroyed it apparently. She needed some help to do it. As for Kain being weak, let me put it this way, if it were not for his nifty abilities, Spiderman could hacky-sack him. Strength is not a nifty ability, least not what I am talking about, I mean Kain's Time Reaver, Soul Death, and all that shit. Kain does not have as many ways to use his powers as Pyron, with his shapeshifting alone, that gives him hundreds of attacks. Also, Kain does not have godlike durability, he just has regen and can't die, there is a difference. As for the famous "mist", Pyron just blows him away lol, JK. For the Pyron teleing her to a white star thing, A. Cosmic awareness, B. His tele has no known limit, and he can also delay it if he needs time to find it. Pyron's shield is pretty much instant, and it's KOSMOS that moves at sub-lightspeed, which I think means a little less than. Also, I don't think KOSMOS would be expecting him to tele behind her, or would be able to react in time. He could punch the Andromeda, he would destroy all the planets and stars, and dude, the laws of space clearly do not come to play in DS.

3. And was uninjured. Also, OVA is still noncanon.

4. Let me put it this way, even tho DBZ characters can easily bust planets, Supes heat vision is still much hotter. There is a difference between destructive capability and heat.

5. Once again, Kain's inability to die is not durability. Pyron has been shown to operate power-wise at a much higher level than Kain, and the main reason I only give Kain mid-Herald is cause Silver Surfer and KOSMOS are High Herald, and I see nuthin that puts him on their level. Pyron has things that make him at least a Skyfather.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. You're right, he needs to eat planets to grow in size and power, HOWEVER, there is nothing that indicates that he ate any planets after his time on earth, as a matter of fact it's impossible, as he is talking about earth, and how he just ate it. Pyron received no powerup. The galaxy ring thing is in one of his endings, but not the one you're thinking of.

2. No, when their powers collided, they destroyed it apparently. She needed some help to do it. As for Kain being weak, let me put it this way, if it were not for his nifty abilities, Spiderman could hacky-sack him. Strength is not a nifty ability, least not what I am talking about, I mean Kain's Time Reaver, Soul Death, and all that shit. Kain does not have as many ways to use his powers as Pyron, with his shapeshifting alone, that gives him hundreds of attacks. Also, Kain does not have godlike durability, he just has regen and can't die, there is a difference. As for the famous "mist", Pyron just blows him away lol, JK. For the Pyron teleing her to a white star thing, A. Cosmic awareness, B. His tele has no known limit, and he can also delay it if he needs time to find it. Pyron's shield is pretty much instant, and it's KOSMOS that moves at sub-lightspeed, which I think means a little less than. Also, I don't think KOSMOS would be expecting him to tele behind her, or would be able to react in time. He could punch the Andromeda, he would destroy all the planets and stars, and dude, the laws of space clearly do not come to play in DS.

3. And was uninjured. Also, OVA is still noncanon.

4. Let me put it this way, even tho DBZ characters can easily bust planets, Supes heat vision is still much hotter. There is a difference between destructive capability and heat.

5. Once again, Kain's inability to die is not durability. Pyron has been shown to operate power-wise at a much higher level than Kain, and the main reason I only give Kain mid-Herald is cause Silver Surfer and KOSMOS are High Herald, and I see nuthin that puts him on their level. Pyron has things that make him at least a Skyfather.

1. no matter how you try and handle it, he had a powerup, undeniably, him winning the game means that hes beaten all of them (doesnt happen..demitri swallows him) in which case he would have consumed all these powerful beings, jedah, Demitri...and the earth...also wheres the part that says the time between him finishing the earth off, then immiedaltey saying it, for all we know he could be saying this a long time after, however my first points are the most valid, this is undeniable.

2. strength is an ability, their super strength it would be called in Marvel terms, or super human strength, kains got so many powers that are far greater than the boundaries of strength and speed its foolish to even bring spiderman into this, also can spiderman move as fast as a bullet?, even kain without any of his powers and abilities could take Spiderman unless hes had a major buff like superman recently. Okie your right, theres a diffrent, but these powers>>durability, its the next step, like universe destroying is a step up from galaxy or whatever. A his cosmic awareness as youve also admitted to is extremely limited, his awareness off all bodies in the universe/galaxy is void and has not been shown, hes merely foretold that a planet would sustain him, nothing suggests he would know exacltey where a sun is. B: no known limit?...weve been through the "no known limtis" thing 100 times, dont think i need to bring this up again do i...otherwise...kains TK has no know limits he can Tk dimensions..... 🙄 anyway seriously..also you say pretty much instant with his shield...its not, in the OVA we can see it takes a split second if not that, kains powers act the same speed but you always bring up light speed would beat them, so even Kos-mos sub-light could move away from pyrons shield, and hell what makes you think shes going to just fight without moving? she could be constantly moving, making it impossible for pyron to do anything to do with his shield. And the laws of space? wtf....laws of space, who says hes fighting in the DS universe? hell put kain against Galactus, Pyron full strength and Kos-mos as well as supes 1 million in the LOKverse, theyll all lose.

3. what 😆 yeh, as you keep saying, the abilities are tho, and Demitris ability to hit pyron and knock him over shows the guy is affected by the laws of physics and gravity just like anyone else getting face smashed.

4. Shes still survived varying degrees of incredible fire-power, using various energy weapons that can disintigrate, theres nothing to say the sun is beyond their heat, any sun.

5. according to what powerwise? destructivewise yes, powers? hell no, as ive been through, kains powers exceed pyron in many ways, time being one of them, dimensioning being another...etc etc. Pyron doesnt have nothing on a skyfather...he has Kos-mos probably, surfer yes...a true skyfather, no, pyrons powers hit various walls and he doesnt have power over a variety of things enough to make him a trancendant, sky-fathers have all kinds of abilities. Kain goes far beyond Dante tho, and has once again powers (not destructive feets) but powers putting him above Kos-mos easily, time powers, dimension, energy manipulation, soul devouring, mind powers...he has a vast array of powers that could enable him to defeat opponents neither surfer, kos-mos or pyron would have a chance of defeating let alone them being faster/stronger and overall more destructive.

Kain is barely mid-high meta. WHY IS EVERYONE CALLING HIM HERALD LEVEL?! Seriously, it makes no sense.

Pyron for skyfather. Dude created his own army, made of energy, eats planets and possibly galaxies, matter manip, energy conversion, yeah, he'd punk most heralds and quite a few trans guys.

Kos-Mos for trans. I've seen more than enough evidence to put her there.

**** Sephiroth. 😛 Low herald-high metaish.

Burning Thought you don't even know what a Skyfather is stop acting like you do......

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. no matter how you try and handle it, he had a powerup, undeniably, him winning the game means that hes beaten all of them (doesnt happen..demitri swallows him) in which case he would have consumed all these powerful beings, jedah, Demitri...and the earth...also wheres the part that says the time between him finishing the earth off, then immiedaltey saying it, for all we know he could be saying this a long time after, however my first points are the most valid, this is undeniable.

2. strength is an ability, their super strength it would be called in Marvel terms, or super human strength, kains got so many powers that are far greater than the boundaries of strength and speed its foolish to even bring spiderman into this, also can spiderman move as fast as a bullet?, even kain without any of his powers and abilities could take Spiderman unless hes had a major buff like superman recently. Okie your right, theres a diffrent, but these powers>>durability, its the next step, like universe destroying is a step up from galaxy or whatever. A his cosmic awareness as youve also admitted to is extremely limited, his awareness off all bodies in the universe/galaxy is void and has not been shown, hes merely foretold that a planet would sustain him, nothing suggests he would know exacltey where a sun is. B: no known limit?...weve been through the "no known limtis" thing 100 times, dont think i need to bring this up again do i...otherwise...kains TK has no know limits he can Tk dimensions..... 🙄 anyway seriously..also you say pretty much instant with his shield...its not, in the OVA we can see it takes a split second if not that, kains powers act the same speed but you always bring up light speed would beat them, so even Kos-mos sub-light could move away from pyrons shield, and hell what makes you think shes going to just fight without moving? she could be constantly moving, making it impossible for pyron to do anything to do with his shield. And the laws of space? wtf....laws of space, who says hes fighting in the DS universe? hell put kain against Galactus, Pyron full strength and Kos-mos as well as supes 1 million in the LOKverse, theyll all lose.

3. what 😆 yeh, as you keep saying, the abilities are tho, and Demitris ability to hit pyron and knock him over shows the guy is affected by the laws of physics and gravity just like anyone else getting face smashed.

4. Shes still survived varying degrees of incredible fire-power, using various energy weapons that can disintigrate, theres nothing to say the sun is beyond their heat, any sun.

5. according to what powerwise? destructivewise yes, powers? hell no, as ive been through, kains powers exceed pyron in many ways, time being one of them, dimensioning being another...etc etc. Pyron doesnt have nothing on a skyfather...he has Kos-mos probably, surfer yes...a true skyfather, no, pyrons powers hit various walls and he doesnt have power over a variety of things enough to make him a trancendant, sky-fathers have all kinds of abilities. Kain goes far beyond Dante tho, and has once again powers (not destructive feets) but powers putting him above Kos-mos easily, time powers, dimension, energy manipulation, soul devouring, mind powers...he has a vast array of powers that could enable him to defeat opponents neither surfer, kos-mos or pyron would have a chance of defeating let alone them being faster/stronger and overall more destructive.

2. Okay, Kain's "powers" then. But I think you get what I am saying. Also, Kain's powers couldn't help him in a fight against Supes, who can think and fight faster than Kain can make a thot. I brot up Spidey as an example of who could beat Kain if he did not have his powers, Spidey can lift 25 tons and dodges bullets all the time, and has Spidey sense which only adds to his reflexes. A. His cosmic awareness has a limit of course, all cosmic awareness does, if it didn't he would be omniscient. Also, I doubt Pyron's cosmic awareness is limited to planets, as he analyzed everything about the earth instantly, and in that instant came to a conclusion. B. I like how you ignored my point on how he could delay his tele indefinately to find one. Pyron's shield is instant, watch it again, it doesn't take a friggin second to go up. And how many times do I have to say he will only need to tele her if she is trying to absorb him, she would be in the process of it and would not be able to. Pyron is faster than KOSMOS, what the hell is constant movement gonna do for her? Also, I doubt Pyron would be sucked up by a black hole, he is made of pure energy, which is EVERYWHERE, why hasn't the universe been sucked up then? Pwnt.

3. No, I said it shows Pyron's attacks, the UDON comics show his abilities and attributes.

4. A yellow sun can disintegrate matter, a white sun is far hotter than a yellow one, which is an average sun. There is nothing to suggest her weapons are even the heat of a yellow sun, tho I think they probably are, oh and sumthin you should know, after that universe destruction shit happened, she was horribly injured.

5. Pyron has at least the qualifications of a Skyfather, hell, he could pwn Darkseid, who is an excellent example of a Skyfather. Pyron's power is only limited by the amount of planets he has consumed, and planets over time are made by themselves, and the universe is vast, he has an unlimited power supply. Not sure why Dante is being mentioned. 😬 Superman without a doubt in my mind would rape Kain, yet it is pretty much almost a fact that Pyron would pwn Supes. Pyron has more ways to use his powers than Kain as I said, shapeshifting alone gives him a great many different attacks, as does control over cosmic fire. Oh, and Pyron>>>Kain.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. I just looked at the ending, and turns out, he didn't even eat the world, he outright destroyed it, saying "There is nothing to obtain from here". Want proof? Here it is: http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/psx/c/ds3vspyr.htm

2. Okay, Kain's "powers" then. But I think you get what I am saying. Also, Kain's powers couldn't help him in a fight against Supes, who can think and fight faster than Kain can make a thot. I brot up Spidey as an example of who could beat Kain if he did not have his powers, Spidey can lift 25 tons and dodges bullets all the time, and has Spidey sense which only adds to his reflexes. A. His cosmic awareness has a limit of course, all cosmic awareness does, if it didn't he would be omniscient. Also, I doubt Pyron's cosmic awareness is limited to planets, as he analyzed everything about the earth instantly, and in that instant came to a conclusion. B. I like how you ignored my point on how he could delay his tele indefinately to find one. Pyron's shield is instant, watch it again, it doesn't take a friggin second to go up. And how many times do I have to say he will only need to tele her if she is trying to absorb him, she would be in the process of it and would not be able to. Pyron is faster than KOSMOS, what the hell is constant movement gonna do for her? Also, I doubt Pyron would be sucked up by a black hole, he is made of pure energy, which is EVERYWHERE, why hasn't the universe been sucked up then? Pwnt.

3. No, I said it shows Pyron's attacks, the UDON comics show his abilities and attributes.

4. A yellow sun can disintegrate matter, a white sun is far hotter than a yellow one, which is an average sun. There is nothing to suggest her weapons are even the heat of a yellow sun, tho I think they probably are, oh and sumthin you should know, after that universe destruction shit happened, she was horribly injured.

5. Pyron has at least the qualifications of a Skyfather, hell, he could pwn Darkseid, who is an excellent example of a Skyfather. Pyron's power is only limited by the amount of planets he has consumed, and planets over time are made by themselves, and the universe is vast, he has an unlimited power supply. Not sure why Dante is being mentioned. 😬 Superman without a doubt in my mind would rape Kain, yet it is pretty much almost a fact that Pyron would pwn Supes. Pyron has more ways to use his powers than Kain as I said, shapeshifting alone gives him a great many different attacks, as does control over cosmic fire. Oh, and Pyron>>>Kain.

1. so thats the official ending, wheres the picture that shows him standing next to the andromeda? fan-art? 😉

2. against supes? ...supes has a soul...his powers "can" harm supes, supes cannot destroy kain, kain could destroy supes. You doubt its limited to a planet, i doubt kains energy manipulation is constricted only to lightning, but thats neither here nor there, neither is your "i doubt" he is, hes only shown doing that to one single planet. Also what do you mean delay his Tele? how does he do this? how would he find one, where the hell is that from....youve never brought up delaying tele before. Anyway, Pyron faster? according to your claims of >lightspeed maybe, no evidence shown of such a feet but hell why am i defending her, thats superboys area, i dont really know much on her apart form you destroys galaxies. energy, if he can be hit, he can be sucked down a black hole, and no..the Black hole only has a various degree of range, within that, basically everything, suns...light itself is sucked into the hole, pyrons pwned if he even tries it.

4. there is something to suggest it, because the energy from her attacks destroy suns themselves, hell it would have to be an incredibly high powered blast of heat or other force to destroy a sun/whole galaxy...

5. The only reason he would pwn Supes is if you "imagine" hes andromeda size....i still have not seen true proof of this actually happeing, "saying" it will happen is a void point...Mentoned Dante because hes being voted for mid-herald with him. supes own kain on what? he only has to have a small amount of time pass and the guy is going to be at a disadvantage, frozen in time..etc etc. Pyron pwn supes? maybe a normal one, but 1 million would rip pyron a new one, maybe even the Andromeda one from your fantasies. Oh and Kain>>>>>pyron.....simply constantly saying that means nothing, as ime sure you wont care about me just saying it...

Originally posted by Estacado
Burning Thought you don't even know what a Skyfather is stop acting like you do......

your right ime not an expert on them, although i imagine its what Odin is? the Gods is a fair guess, Zues, asgardians, olympions...is it the ruler of each group, Odin, Zues? some guesses i think are fairly good...

Estacado you dont know anything on kain, stop trying to act like you do

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Kain is barely mid-high meta. WHY IS EVERYONE CALLING HIM HERALD LEVEL?! Seriously, it makes no sense.

lmao 🤣 😆 💃

yeh, if your taking medication, goodluck to ya dude....okie

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Kain is barely mid-high meta. WHY IS EVERYONE CALLING HIM HERALD LEVEL?! Seriously, it makes no sense.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Kos-Mos for transexual. I've seen more than enough evidence to put her there.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
He WAS saying Kain = Odin. haermm
If you say so... ermmnone

"shrug" mr dont know anything with good grounds on kain, how can you judge this at all? or are you an Odin fanboy?...curious or has Estacado got his own following of trolls who pickup on what people say, dont know a character but know the other and simply say lmao and try and discredit people even thought you know nothing?

also Kos-mos has already got High herald, shes got nothing on a skyfather, as people say, destrcutive feets are not everything, she doesnt have anything more

Originally posted by Burning thought
"shrug" mr dont know anything with good grounds on kain, how can you judge this at all? or are you an Odin fanboy?...curious or has Estacado got his own following of trolls who pickup on what people say, dont know a character but know the other and simply say lmao and try and discredit people even thought you know nothing?

also Kos-mos has already got High herald, shes got nothing on a skyfather, as people say, destrcutive feets are not everything, she doesnt have anything more

Do you even know who Odin is?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Your question basically flipped around.

Do you even know who Odin is?

yep, one eyed Asgardian lord of the Gods, he takes apples from a tree (name if it has one is lost to me) to keep immortal because unlike zues he is not a full immortal and has incredible magical powers and can enhance most of his statistics by great bounds. Is he also not the father of Thor? ime not 100% on that bit. Dunno about the marvel one on this bit but the usual Norse God has a Raven

ime reading his respect thread as we speak, and his Marvel database profile

so what do you know about kain, goes to everyone? ill prob get sillyness and wrongs but hell, i answered yours sensibly as i can, i deserve an answer

Originally posted by Burning thought
"shrug" mr dont know anything with good grounds on kain, how can you judge this at all? or are you an Odin fanboy?...curious or has Estacado got his own following of trolls who pickup on what people say, dont know a character but know the other and simply say lmao and try and discredit people even thought you know nothing?

also Kos-mos has already got High herald, shes got nothing on a skyfather, as people say, destrcutive feets are not everything, she doesnt have anything more

Originally posted by Estacado
Stop being a smartass.....as I said you know nothing of "skyfathers" yet you say Kain can beat them. Also we are trolls just because we don't support your bullshit?

no, you are trolls because you call it BS yet you know nothing of it, dont debate at all and make ridiculous silly remarks only to put people down when they dont belive your BS right off the bat, know nothing off skyfathers, i just proved i know what one was at least and "some" of their capabilities....is Odin not a skyfather then?

if your saying i dont know anything about a skyfather and say i speak Bs then your a hypocrite, your doing the same about kain..know nothing, yet putting me down because i belive Kain has powers worthy of one..pff Hater, of me and Kain it seems for the lose

So can you name me some "skyfather feats"?