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Originally posted by Estacado
So can you name me some "skyfather feats"?

sure, some major ones are a variety of magical powers, blasting planets, increasing their speed/strength to great levels, ive seen scans of silver surfer knocked off his board by an odin magic blast...Thors Godblasts have been known to deal some incredible damage, regeneration, they have denser bones than humans, 3 times if ime not mistaken, may have that wrong. with his hammer Thor is able to control weather, various other manipulations of matter, energy.

feats such as knocking even disturbing a greatly weakened Galactus with a Godblast is a feat in itself, its quite high.

odins standing toe to toe with Thanos is a pretty major feet, although i dont pretend to know an enormous deal on Thanos, i know hes a very powerful adversary to be feared.

but why am i doing this, it should be you, who has put no input whatsoever to tell me kains feats...kains powers, without sillyness that you often do, can you find any, can you bring any?

Originally posted by Burning thought
sure, some major ones are a variety of magical powers, blasting planets, increasing their speed/strength to great levels, ive seen scans of silver surfer knocked off his board by an odin magic blast...Thors Godblasts have been known to deal some incredible damage, regeneration, they have denser bones than humans, 3 times if ime not mistaken, may have that wrong. with his hammer Thor is able to control weather, various other manipulations of matter, energy.

feats such as knocking even disturbing a greatly weakened Galactus with a Godblast is a feat in itself, its quite high.

odins standing toe to toe with Thanos is a pretty major feet, although i dont pretend to know an enormous deal on Thanos, i know hes a very powerful adversary to be feared.

but why am i doing this, it should be you, who has put no input whatsoever to tell me kains feats...kains powers, without sillyness that you often do, can you find any, can you bring any?

Originally posted by Estacado
Cool.👆
None of the mentioned feats are "skyfather" level.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. so thats the official ending, wheres the picture that shows him standing next to the andromeda? fan-art? 😉

2. against supes? ...supes has a soul...his powers "can" harm supes, supes cannot destroy kain, kain could destroy supes. You doubt its limited to a planet, i doubt kains energy manipulation is constricted only to lightning, but thats neither here nor there, neither is your "i doubt" he is, hes only shown doing that to one single planet. Also what do you mean delay his Tele? how does he do this? how would he find one, where the hell is that from....youve never brought up delaying tele before. Anyway, Pyron faster? according to your claims of >lightspeed maybe, no evidence shown of such a feet but hell why am i defending her, thats superboys area, i dont really know much on her apart form you destroys galaxies. energy, if he can be hit, he can be sucked down a black hole, and no..the Black hole only has a various degree of range, within that, basically everything, suns...light itself is sucked into the hole, pyrons pwned if he even tries it.

4. there is something to suggest it, because the energy from her attacks destroy suns themselves, hell it would have to be an incredibly high powered blast of heat or other force to destroy a sun/whole galaxy...

5. The only reason he would pwn Supes is if you "imagine" hes andromeda size....i still have not seen true proof of this actually happeing, "saying" it will happen is a void point...Mentoned Dante because hes being voted for mid-herald with him. supes own kain on what? he only has to have a small amount of time pass and the guy is going to be at a disadvantage, frozen in time..etc etc. Pyron pwn supes? maybe a normal one, but 1 million would rip pyron a new one, maybe even the Andromeda one from your fantasies. Oh and Kain>>>>>pyron.....simply constantly saying that means nothing, as ime sure you wont care about me just saying it...

2. Supes is fast enough to throw Kain to another solar system before Kain can even think. Yes I highly doubt his cosmic awareness is planet limited,and I never said Kain's energy manipulation was limited to lightning. I have been saying Pyron could delay his tele for awhile, in the OVA he did, and I am pretty sure he did in the games too. Pyron is faster, the only one to deny lightspeed was you and DK, who denies everything. 😐 I admitted Pyron lost to KOSMOs once, but now I highly doubt it. Really, Pyron is not sucked into black holes in any area of fiction he is present in, I have no idea why you are debating this.

4. And it also required another beam to collide with her'a and a specific weapon to do, also, she could not destroy a galaxy without it hitting a similarily powered beam. KOSMOS' feats are starting to look more hyped than Pyron's. Also, from what the vid showed, it looked more like solar system busting to me.

5. I think he pwns Supes, pretty much everyone but SBP thot he pwned Supes, hell, I was surprised when people were saying he pwned Darkseid! 😱 Supes has no way to even hurt Pyron. Pyron beats Supes M* as well, he is basically just a more powerful Supes. Pyron>>>>>Kain, there is a reason why only you think different.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Are you blind are high? Click the link again to see it.

2. Supes is fast enough to throw Kain to another solar system before Kain can even think. Yes I highly doubt his cosmic awareness is planet limited,and I never said Kain's energy manipulation was limited to lightning. I have been saying Pyron could delay his tele for awhile, in the OVA he did, and I am pretty sure he did in the games too. Pyron is faster, the only one to deny lightspeed was you and DK, who denies everything. 😐 I admitted Pyron lost to KOSMOs once, but now I highly doubt it. Really, Pyron is not sucked into black holes in any area of fiction he is present in, I have no idea why you are debating this.

4. And it also required another beam to collide with her'a and a specific weapon to do, also, she could not destroy a galaxy without it hitting a similarily powered beam. KOSMOS' feats are starting to look more hyped than Pyron's. Also, from what the vid showed, it looked more like solar system busting to me.

5. I think he pwns Supes, pretty much everyone but SBP thot he pwned Supes, hell, I was surprised when people were saying he pwned Darkseid! 😱 Supes has no way to even hurt Pyron. Pyron beats Supes M* as well, he is basically just a more powerful Supes. Pyron>>>>>Kain, there is a reason why only you think different.

1. no if your referring to that pic, go look at the MC one DK made, your the one whos high, ill go put kain with the universe as his background and say zomg kains as big as a universe shall i? lmao....

2. wtf? thats because in any area of fiction A: as far as i know (and as far as youve proven) hes never even confronted a Black hole and 2: only you have the foolishness to take that background seriously..geeze..ime deabting it because he would be sucked away like any other, only one who denies? thats because everyone else is jumping on his bandwagon, theres no obvious thing that says he goes faster than light travel and theres so many things wrong with it its unbeliable.

5. yes its funny how popularity wins in KMC so much, hell forget all feets everyone else belives it, lets agree, if i got 20 people to come on here to sign up all started saying Chocobo> pyron you would agree? no...popularity=zilch m8..yes there is a reason why only i thought it, and thats ignorence, hence above comments as well...too much ignorence, too many fanboys and supes 1 mil lmfao.....the guy with his vision held a galaxy together or sum madness, considering your fanboyish claims of galaxy sized pyron false pyron gets duched by Kain and Supes, considering its true...they duche him anyway, especially Supes, the guys nearly immune to everything, whats pyron going to do..lmao..you seem to just go with what the majority say even if they know nothing on someone, lol...after looking at all this pyron stuff tis obvious tonnes of his feats are orgasmed to overpowered levels since no solid evidence or proof can even be told of it, and the evidence you provide further lessons the characters abilities and credbility.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Or even Surfer level...

mr genius care to enlighten me then, perhaps ill change my mind? or like Estacado unable to debate properly...i can imagine the answer to this, but ill w8 for you to post 😉

@Estacado....erm, i dont have your vast amount of smilies so we may not be able to communicate so ill have to w8 on Harry if he will be so kind as to enlighten me

whatever the outcome, Pyron could not do said feets, unless his Andromeda size is confimed as 100% true and canon ofcourse, then he deserves skyfather through destructive power alone although his variety of powers are lacking

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. no if your referring to that pic, go look at the MC one DK made, your the one whos high, ill go put kain with the universe as his background and say zomg kains as big as a universe shall i? lmao....

2. wtf? thats because in any area of fiction A: as far as i know (and as far as youve proven) hes never even confronted a Black hole and 2: only you have the foolishness to take that background seriously..geeze..ime deabting it because he would be sucked away like any other, only one who denies? thats because everyone else is jumping on his bandwagon, theres no obvious thing that says he goes faster than light travel and theres so many things wrong with it its unbeliable.

5. yes its funny how popularity wins in KMC so much, hell forget all feets everyone else belives it, lets agree, if i got 20 people to come on here to sign up all started saying Chocobo> pyron you would agree? no...popularity=zilch m8..yes there is a reason why only i thought it, and thats ignorence, hence above comments as well...too much ignorence, too many fanboys and supes 1 mil lmfao.....the guy with his vision held a galaxy together or sum madness, considering your fanboyish claims of galaxy sized pyron false pyron gets duched by Kain and Supes, considering its true...they duche him anyway, especially Supes, the guys nearly immune to everything, whats pyron going to do..lmao..you seem to just go with what the majority say even if they know nothing on someone, lol...after looking at all this pyron stuff tis obvious tonnes of his feats are orgasmed to overpowered levels since no solid evidence or proof can even be told of it, and the evidence you provide further lessons the characters abilities and credbility.

2. You have the foolishness to combine fiction with reality. As for Pyron Andromeda size, read above. Everyone jumps on his bandwagon? Are you implying that everyone who supports Pyron>Kain are Pyron fanboys? Laughable, you diss me, yet you are the one who made the horrendous claim that if Pyron at galaxy size were to punch Kain, the Reaver would hit him by default and he would die. According to scans, Pyron indeed does go FTL. You only deny it cause you do not want to believe it. Tho I guess this is to be expected of the guy that once said Kain can one shot Living Tribunal haermm.

4. I would like to add that KOSMOS is more overrated than Pyron. Her vid of her destroying the "universe" not only showed her beam had to collide to explode, but also showed the most that was destroyed was a solar system! 😆

5. Popularity does not win all the time in KMC at all, but when one guy is saying stuff like Kain is Skyfather, and has said he can one shot LT before, and everyone else thinks he is wrong, that means something. So because people do not think of Kain as some kinda Pre-Retcon Beyonder level being like you do that makes us ignorant fanboys? Laughable. Supes M* pulled a galaxy of planets to another, which is a ridiculously powerful strength feat, but Pyron at 3 times Andromeda could do it as well, and not to mention it takes far more than brute strength to kill Pyron. Supes immune to everything? Bullshit. A red sun can weaken and injure him, and guess what? Pyron can make those. You lessen Kain's credibility by giving crappy proof and making assumptions on powers, and using FANSITES as proof.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. That pic alone would not justify it, you are right, but it is backed up by the pic of him using galaxies. Even dwarf ones are on average 15 times bigger than Jupiter.

2. You have the foolishness to combine fiction with reality. As for Pyron Andromeda size, read above. Everyone jumps on his bandwagon? Are you implying that everyone who supports Pyron>Kain are Pyron fanboys? Laughable, you diss me, yet you are the one who made the horrendous claim that if Pyron at galaxy size were to punch Kain, the Reaver would hit him by default and he would die. According to scans, Pyron indeed does go FTL. You only deny it cause you do not want to believe it. Tho I guess this is to be expected of the guy that once said Kain can one shot Living Tribunal haermm.

4. I would like to add that KOSMOS is more overrated than Pyron. Her vid of her destroying the "universe" not only showed her beam had to collide to explode, but also showed the most that was destroyed was a solar system! 😆

5. Popularity does not win all the time in KMC at all, but when one guy is saying stuff like Kain is Skyfather, and has said he can one shot LT before, and everyone else thinks he is wrong, that means something. So because people do not think of Kain as some kinda Pre-Retcon Beyonder level being like you do that makes us ignorant fanboys? Laughable. Supes M* pulled a galaxy of planets to another, which is a ridiculously powerful strength feat, but Pyron at 3 times Andromeda could do it as well, and not to mention it takes far more than brute strength to kill Pyron. Supes immune to everything? Bullshit. A red sun can weaken and injure him, and guess what? Pyron can make those. You lessen Kain's credibility by giving crappy proof and making assumptions on powers, and using FANSITES as proof.

1. thats still not 3 times adremoda size by far, not to mesntion is this galaxy rings stuff cannon? where is that from?

2. more BS? so me and everyone here is required to belive pyron can defy the laws of physicis in all universes just because hes in fiction...okie..kain can also then i mean geeze m8, your losing ground with claims like that. also they dont have to be fanboys, they would just need ot be ignorent to both characters, for example ive seen zero proof of anyone who has backed pyron up actually knowing much about him, not to menstion about kain at the same time, its understandable and through human psyche to belive that looking at a picture, one looking much cooler than another would make one belive hes far more powerful especially when said person has not seen them before, its not always the case and this is obvious. No i did not say by default as far as i can remember, i said is "likely" to happen, due to pyrons enormous size. Hell, at that size its bound to hit him and would certainly have a chance. I deny FTL because A: that scan in peticulour shows nothing that has not been features in comics with beigns going far less than even bullet speed, its a design showing, not to menstion this does not expalin him fighting in light speed, moving perhaps is belivable but hes had no showing of light speed fighting, which is what matters in debates...

4. Solarsystem, yes and Pyron one shotted a solarsystem before did he? ive seen the Vid, you need to turn up the brightness, its a galaxy in the background, theres simply a planet near to the people to give it an illusion it looks like a solarsystem, yet from their viewpoint the planet near to them looks closer than Kos-mos battle. Pyrons never broken a solarsystem and only beliving in the size of him, would mean he is capable of breaknig planets, but punching a blackhole, impossible.

5. Kain, skyfather is just as possible as pyron, the only lack of credbility is because hes not "bigzor like pyron and big godzor!!" it seems, he has manipualtion of time, dimensions and energy and has created heralds before himself, as a bonus he uses magics and can take souls, through his weapon, or without...infact he can freeze his enemies in time without the reaver, seperately although he cannot use reality warping and dimension powers without his weapon. pyron, as well as not all skyfathers have all or many of these powers. pyron especially. If everyone thinks me wrong before knowing either of these characters then they may as well be fans of the character they support or simply nomads of the forum or trolls perhaps..even i know more about Pyron i bet than some who claim him for skyfather before knowing him, that argument is sound. I never mentioned beyonder level, Kain certianly deserves high herald/transcent imo due to his great many powers and his near invulerability, hell in his own realm no one can beat him. Supes is far faster than pyron in battel thats a certainty, hes actually got feats backing up his battle speed and reaction times, he could bltiz pyron halfway across the galaxy before the cosmic thing can realise it, or use a variety of his other powers, heat vision, breath to beat pyron into oblivion. Yes pyron in andromeda state...if it can be proven. Kain credibility, in this thread youve given very little proof whatsover, ime using a lot of fansights approved by the company themselves and who have listed them as such useful sites on their own boards, not to menstion their obvious professionalism in working with the developers what with FAQ's and questions and answers with developers.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. thats still not 3 times adremoda size by far, not to mesntion is this galaxy rings stuff cannon? where is that from?

2. more BS? so me and everyone here is required to belive pyron can defy the laws of physicis in all universes just because hes in fiction...okie..kain can also then i mean geeze m8, your losing ground with claims like that. also they dont have to be fanboys, they would just need ot be ignorent to both characters, for example ive seen zero proof of anyone who has backed pyron up actually knowing much about him, not to menstion about kain at the same time, its understandable and through human psyche to belive that looking at a picture, one looking much cooler than another would make one belive hes far more powerful especially when said person has not seen them before, its not always the case and this is obvious. No i did not say by default as far as i can remember, i said is "likely" to happen, due to pyrons enormous size. Hell, at that size its bound to hit him and would certainly have a chance. I deny FTL because A: that scan in peticulour shows nothing that has not been features in comics with beigns going far less than even bullet speed, its a design showing, not to menstion this does not expalin him fighting in light speed, moving perhaps is belivable but hes had no showing of light speed fighting, which is what matters in debates...

4. Solarsystem, yes and Pyron one shotted a solarsystem before did he? ive seen the Vid, you need to turn up the brightness, its a galaxy in the background, theres simply a planet near to the people to give it an illusion it looks like a solarsystem, yet from their viewpoint the planet near to them looks closer than Kos-mos battle. Pyrons never broken a solarsystem and only beliving in the size of him, would mean he is capable of breaknig planets, but punching a blackhole, impossible.

5. Kain, skyfather is just as possible as pyron, the only lack of credbility is because hes not "bigzor like pyron and big godzor!!" it seems, he has manipualtion of time, dimensions and energy and has created heralds before himself, as a bonus he uses magics and can take souls, through his weapon, or without...infact he can freeze his enemies in time without the reaver, seperately although he cannot use reality warping and dimension powers without his weapon. pyron, as well as not all skyfathers have all or many of these powers. pyron especially. If everyone thinks me wrong before knowing either of these characters then they may as well be fans of the character they support or simply nomads of the forum or trolls perhaps..even i know more about Pyron i bet than some who claim him for skyfather before knowing him, that argument is sound. I never mentioned beyonder level, Kain certianly deserves high herald/transcent imo due to his great many powers and his near invulerability, hell in his own realm no one can beat him. Supes is far faster than pyron in battel thats a certainty, hes actually got feats backing up his battle speed and reaction times, he could bltiz pyron halfway across the galaxy before the cosmic thing can realise it, or use a variety of his other powers, heat vision, breath to beat pyron into oblivion. Yes pyron in andromeda state...if it can be proven. Kain credibility, in this thread youve given very little proof whatsover, ime using a lot of fansights approved by the company themselves and who have listed them as such useful sites on their own boards, not to menstion their obvious professionalism in working with the developers what with FAQ's and questions and answers with developers.

2. Okay, so going by that logic, Kain doesn't get his magic or the power of the pillars in fights cause it is not LOKverse. In vs. matches we don't take away powers simply because it takes place in a different verse dude. So everyone is also ignorant on both characters? Fire Ninja has played DS and LOK. Endless Mike has decent knowledge on Pyron and claims him Skyfather. Just saying, don't assume things like that. Also, I found out it took Pyron only 3 years to get from the other end of the universe to Earth. 😐 That is beyond Silver Surfur speed, and I used to think SS was faster. Pyron can tele in fights, and it is fast. Also, the only prequisite there seems to be in Pyron using max speed is he has to be in a ball, which is a preferred fighting position.

4. I heard, I'll watch the vid to make sure. Pyron when he first was reborn as a cosmic being, made Hellstorm, a planet bigger than Jupiter, look like a basketball, and if he simply released enough power, yeah, he could probably bust a solar system, tho I could never be sure.

5. Created "heralds"? What kind of heralds, if they are weak pussies I would not count them as heralds, and how did he make them? Pyron can manipulate energy on a higher scale than Kain IMO, I think the "boundless energy" thing is just Hyperbole. Pyron has several powers Kain does not have as well. Pyron CREATES matter! And no, not everyone that claims Pyron Skyfather knows little about him. Oh and believe me, if you claimed Kain Beyonder-level, you would lose all credibility in this place instantly. I wouldn't even claim Pyron Beyonder-Level. I'll take your word on the sites being approved.

Is Phenomenol still not banned yet?

Let's go over this, one more time:

Tenchi with 3 Light Hawk Wings resisted the gravity of a black hole past the event horizon, which is infinite. That far exceeds the Chobimaru's attack.

Z with 2 Light Hawk Wings was completely unharmed by Tsunami and Tokimi's destruction of a large part of the Milky Way Galaxy. That far exceeds the Chobimaru's attack.

Zinv with 2 Light Hawk Wings merged two entire universes together. Merging universes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet destroying.

The author states in 101 secrets that only one power can penetrate the LHWs (the power of the Chousein, which can also apply to similarly powerful super cosmic entities). Kagato was attempting to synthesize the energies of the Chousein with Washu's gems (which she put her power into) to defeat the LHWs, because he knew brute force was useless (and he still failed).

It takes twice as much energy to summon one additional LHW (as stated in 101 secrets). 10 LHWs are the maximum amount one universe can contain, any more would destroy it. That means 3 LHWs require 1/128th of universe - destroying power to maintain. 5 require 1/32 of universe - destroying power, 6 require 1/16th, etc.

Tenchi had never summoned 6 LHWs before, it required 8 times more energy than he had ever used in the past. This strain was too much for him and he was overcome and sent to the hyperdimension. Apparently Noike knew this would happen. This is the only logical conclusion. It could NOT have been due to the Chobimaru's attack, since -

a. The Chobimaru's attack never reached Tenchi. It was completely nullified by the LHWs (which appeared a significant distance in front of him) before reaching him.

b. Tenchi was visibly "struggling" before the blast even reached him, meaning it was due to the power of summoning 6 at once.

c. That was the first time Tenchi had consciously attempted to summon his LHWs. All the other times had been involuntary. That is why he summoned 6 instead of the usual 3. Until then, he didn't know he had that capability. He was still inexperienced with his powers.

Tokimi attempted to kill Z (when he only had 2 LHWs), but it was stated that the power required to do so would shatter the third dimension, so she backed off. Tokimi is a multiverse - creator. If all it took to defeat Z's LHWs was planet busting power, then she could have easily done it. Unless you are claiming that the Chobimaru > Tokimi?

Noike loved Tenchi, she would never have set up a situation that would harm him (the Chobimaru's attack would not harm him). If it had overcome the LHWs as you state, then it would have just kept on going toward Earth and destroyed it, but it didn't.

The sub - LHW in the third novel (not the true LHWs) were cancelled out by a strange power similar to a LHW that only Washu could see (due to her Chousein nature). It was directly stated that the power of the pirate ship would not have pierced the sub - LHW.

The Chobimaru is weaker than Ryo-Ohki (stated in GXP), and Z blocked Ryo-Ohki's attack with one hand easily, (while he only had 2 LHWs). Your statement that the Chobimaru penetrated Tenchi's LHWs cannot be true unless you are arguing that 2 LHWs > 6 LHWs, which is obvious nonsense.

Further evidence (thanks to Robotech_Master on CBR):

RE: Tenchi dissapears

Tenchi dissapears because he goes to the nexus place. He goes to the Nexus place because he used his powers, not because he was blown there. As he said, "This is how they are connected." Precedence for this is the use of his powers in episode 19 is what allowed him to travel through the weird space the first time.
Further evidence against your interpretation is that the beam stops, and is never seen moving a single inch beyond the impact zone. The beam shrinks, and vanishes, whereas had it blown through and hit tenchi, we would have visibly seen the beam move forward, either hitting him or flying off into space. It did not. Visible evidence denounces the idea that he was blown away by the beam. The point of the impact was to make Tenchi use his powers; using his powers opened up the ability for Kagato-Chan to reach him--she didn't need him to actually be hit by anything.

RE: Kagato blast

Aeka stated that if a Ships LHW's are turned offensive, they lose their defensive abilities and the ship is vulnerable. Therefore, the blast that Tenchi used could be overpowered. Tenchi and Z's LHW's do not have the limitation of only functioning as defense or offense at one time. Also, Lady Seto developed a technique that allows a ship to use the LHW's offensively and defensively simultaneously (Genocide Dance). The Scene in episode 5 has no bearing on a discussion related to a Ship's defensive Wings or Z's Wings.

Also, the direct quote for the Gods Aura thing is "Ko-oh-yoku is a manifestation of God's aura." Not an aspect.

It doesn't go against the episode. I agreed that he was gone; I'm saying his reason for being gone was using his powers--it opened up the door for time/space mumbo jumbo to happen. I'm saying it was his conciously invoking his powers that triggered his dissapearance, not actually being hit by it. That's why he dissapears. If the beam had hit him the beam would have visibly moved forward and it wouldn't have been nullified the way it visibly was. The Z occurence actually supports this, because Tenchi didn't dissapear when he was cut in half, he physically stayed in reality while Ryoko held him in her arms. He went to the Nexus Realm the first time because his powers awakened, it resulted not only in the trip, but his meeting Tenchi-Kami, and triggering of the multi-dimensional quakes and the near-advent that the Choushin had to try to stop.

Already proven wrong on all accounts. And in that instance with Kagato, the LHW of Ayeka's ship were converted into an energy blast, which completely removes all of their defensive measures, and done so by a fairly inexperienced Tenchi. Your argument is moot. And as even stated with the Chobimaru, it never got past Tenchi's LHW.

Originally posted by Burning thought
mr genius care to enlighten me then, perhaps ill change my mind? or like Estacado unable to debate properly...i can imagine the answer to this, but ill w8 for you to post 😉

@Estacado....erm, i dont have your vast amount of smilies so we may not be able to communicate so ill have to w8 on Harry if he will be so kind as to enlighten me

whatever the outcome, Pyron could not do said feets, unless his Andromeda size is confimed as 100% true and canon ofcourse, then he deserves skyfather through destructive power alone although his variety of powers are lacking

Make him even close to herald level, let alone Surfer.

Firelord has wiped out planets, and has increased his strength and speed to great levels, and he's not Surfer level.

Surfer has destroyed planets, while creating a massive black hole in the process.
And, Surfer has increased his powers before as well.
Surfer flew 500 thousands light years in a couple seconds.
And, has increased his strength high enough to rip off a good portion of Super Skrull's face.
He also manipulated the Odin power within Beta.

Like really, it would be too much to put down, but I'm just using four examples like you have, except mine have context, not "he increased his powers!".

So, in conclusion, Phenomen - LOL:
YOU ARE WRONG

The only reason you're even arguing is that your stupid DBZ fanboyism can't accept the fact that Tenchi Muyo is simply a far far more powerful universe than DBZ could ever be. Z singlehandedly destroys every DBZ character in his sleep. DBZ characters are not the be - all, end - all fictional warriors you make them out to be. There are tons of characters that could completely dominate them easily, and I don't even have to name gods and reality warpers. You severely overexxagerate their capabilities and pick and choose canon and non - canon info to try to artificially inflate their capabilities, lie about their strengths, and ignore their weaknesses.

I honestly have no idea what it is about DBZ that creates such zealous, ridiculously stubborn fanboys. The only fan group I've ever encountered that beats DBZ fanboys for sheer insanity is Trekkies.

I won't respond to any further posts on this topic by either you or Whitebeard (assuming you are separate people), unless you actually bring something new to the table that I haven't debunked already.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I won't respond to any further posts on this topic by either you or Whitebeard (assuming you are separate people), unless you actually bring something new to the table that I haven't debunked already.

LOL, you waiting for the pages to build up & come back into the thread saying you debunked my canon, wont save you. 😎

Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
[QUOTE=Endless mike]I posted it, you just denied it.

This is what I said to what you posted Endless Mike.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9605941#post9605941

That Proves you don't read Bastard!!

Your reported, Phenom is RIGHT about you.

Ds does not have all the piece's of the Judas Pain.

Beelzebub has the last Piece, & DS can't control the power that why he lost control of it. [/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Endless Mike
So, in conclusion, Phenomen - LOL:
YOU ARE WRONG

The only reason you're even arguing is that your stupid DBZ fanboyism can't accept the fact that Tenchi Muyo is simply a far far more powerful universe than DBZ could ever be. Z singlehandedly destroys every DBZ character in his sleep. [b]DBZ characters are not the be - all, end - all fictional warriors you make them out to be. There are tons of characters that could completely dominate them easily, and I don't even have to name gods and reality warpers. You severely overexxagerate their capabilities and pick and choose canon and non - canon info to try to artificially inflate their capabilities, lie about their strengths, and ignore their weaknesses.

I honestly have no idea what it is about DBZ that creates such zealous, ridiculously stubborn fanboys. The only fan group I've ever encountered that beats DBZ fanboys for sheer insanity is Trekkies. [/B]

None of this is canon, this has been dismissed and "DEBUNKED!" 😖leep:

Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
LOL, you waiting for the pages to build up & come back into the thread saying you debunked my canon, wont save you. 😎

This is what I said to what you posted Endless Mike.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9605941#post9605941

That Proves you don't read Bastard!!

Your reported, Phenom is RIGHT about you.

Ds does not have all the piece's of the Judas Pain.

Beelzebub has the last Piece, & DS can't control the power that why he lost control of it.

He couldn't control the power only after Fallen Uriel overwhelmed him. The Dead Sea Scans team all agree with me BTW

Originally posted by Phenomenol
None of this is canon, this has been dismissed and "DEBUNKED!" 😖leep:

That entire post was just a conclusion to say you're wrong after I made my actual arguments. You obviously have nothing left.

You do realize that people would think much more highly of you if you would actually be a man concede a point once in a while?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That entire post was just a conclusion to say you're wrong after I made my actual arguments. You obviously have nothing left.

You do realize that people would think much more highly of you if you would actually be a man concede a point once in a while?

No I provided canon and you ignored them, Canon can't ever concede. 🙄

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He couldn't control the power only after Fallen Uriel overwhelmed him. The Dead Sea Scans team all agree with me BTW

LOL, Glad you concede about DS fighting Fallen Uriel & not normal Uriel.

LOL, Glad you also concede about DS NOT haveing all the pieces of the Judas pain.

You have yet to post scans of DS busting a planet, which he never did.

LOL Again i don't take you serious.