Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Uncanon fighting game endings show canon abilities. Tho I think I'll just concede this argument to move on with life.

2. Okay, so going by that logic, Kain doesn't get his magic or the power of the pillars in fights cause it is not LOKverse. In vs. matches we don't take away powers simply because it takes place in a different verse dude. So everyone is also ignorant on both characters? Fire Ninja has played DS and LOK. Endless Mike has decent knowledge on Pyron and claims him Skyfather. Just saying, don't assume things like that. Also, I found out it took Pyron only 3 years to get from the other end of the universe to Earth. 😐 That is beyond Silver Surfur speed, and I used to think SS was faster. Pyron can tele in fights, and it is fast. Also, the only prequisite there seems to be in Pyron using max speed is he has to be in a ball, which is a preferred fighting position.

4. I heard, I'll watch the vid to make sure. Pyron when he first was reborn as a cosmic being, made Hellstorm, a planet bigger than Jupiter, look like a basketball, and if he simply released enough power, yeah, he could probably bust a solar system, tho I could never be sure.

5. Created "heralds"? What kind of heralds, if they are weak pussies I would not count them as heralds, and how did he make them? Pyron can manipulate energy on a higher scale than Kain IMO, I think the "boundless energy" thing is just Hyperbole. Pyron has several powers Kain does not have as well. Pyron CREATES matter! And no, not everyone that claims Pyron Skyfather knows little about him. Oh and believe me, if you claimed Kain Beyonder-level, you would lose all credibility in this place instantly. I wouldn't even claim Pyron Beyonder-Level. I'll take your word on the sites being approved.

1. gdgd

2. whos talking about LOkverse, according to KMC rules, characters get all their canon showings, known powers and abilities in fights, however the laws of physics, gravity unless siad cahracter has shown to be able to defy for example a black hole, and do said powers. Also unlike the guardians, kains reaver powers are from emblems that have the pillars power within them, however his infnite magic energy would not be in the fight if this logic and kmc rules were left out of the battle is true. You say you have decent knowledge yet youve yet to show me and various others true proof of certain abilities and at the same time bring up a background to determine the size of pyron in clips, obviously simply playing both games like Fire Ninja or "claiming" good knowledge on a character is not good enough, Estacado claims hes played the LOK games many times, yet brings up rubbish that is not even in the story at the same time as missing out many story elements that everyone else who has played it (AFAIK) have picked up upon. Not neccerily, his only prequisit, we can see him slowly moving away from the planet and gaining momentum in the scan, so he has a time limit before he can seemingly move at said speeds and he still has no showings of light speed in battles, teleport yes, lightspeed during battles no. Not to menstion pyron in a ball will be at a disadvantage due to the fact all he could do then is ram opponents he has shown to have to have his chest revealed to absrob and to use his arms and hands in various energy powers.

5. well thats opinion isnt it, once again i still say calling pyrons robots heralds is a terrible insult to Galactus' heralds, the varied powers of his heralds is that they can easily do many feets pyron himself can do and more, time manipulation one of them, surfer for examples feets are many and great in comparison to one of pyrons robots, he may as well be a Sky-father considering he can take out planets himself, cause blackholes like Harry has stated, Heralds is a strong world for those robots just as it would be for kains sons, kain created them through manipulation of his own soul to give them life. Also energy manipulation on a higher scale? hes max feet is destroying a planet, thats all. Its nothing kain couldnt do in a less amount of time considering his time manipulation. Boundless energy, possibly is hyperbole, ill concede that, but using it alone shows that even if its not boundless, its got to be on an high level. In comparison to kains variety of powers, Pyrons variety is nothing, i agree he has some, but not many and in comparison is nothing on kains ability list. I never remember mentioning beyonder, tbh i know less on him than i do on Skyfathers so beyonder i wouldnt say anything on unless someone can give me info on the thing Although my credbility i dont care about, thats a popularity thing, popularity means nothing in debates.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
It's simple.
None of these feats:
"sure, some major ones are a variety of magical powers, blasting planets, increasing their speed/strength to great levels, "

Make him even close to herald level, let alone Surfer.

Firelord has wiped out planets, and has increased his strength and speed to great levels, and he's not Surfer level.

Surfer has destroyed planets, while creating a massive black hole in the process.
And, Surfer has increased his powers before as well.
Surfer flew 500 thousands light years in a couple seconds.
And, has increased his strength high enough to rip off a good portion of Super Skrull's face.
He also manipulated the Odin power within Beta.

Like really, it would be too much to put down, but I'm just using four examples like you have, except mine have context, not "he increased his powers!".

I was more asking for feets of skyfathers not heralds, what puts them apart from these feets, and why is Surfer only a herald level if hes got such mighty power, creating a blackhole is quite a feet...Skyfathers, what do they do thats above such things then? thats what i meant by enlighten me, if you know of Skyfathes, whats the average feets that give them their title?

They have denser bones than humans, 3 times.haermm

Originally posted by Estacado
They have denser bones than humans, 3 times.haermm

another mockery, thought as much, but yes they do have denser bones than humans by a measly 3 times (lmao really powerful ime sure) if Odin is a skyfather then hell, they cant be what you guys are @sslickin them up to be, reading through what hes capable of his not even a true immortal and his durability is suspect. Has odin ever formed a massive blackhole?

i ask again, can you debate? i dont quite understand smily talk so you may have to use words if thats possible, what IS a skyfather feat, unless you know little else more than me ofc, then concede instead of childish mockery

Originally posted by Burning thought
I was more asking for feets of skyfathers not heralds, what puts them apart from these feets, and why is Surfer only a herald level if hes got such mighty power, creating a blackhole is quite a feet...Skyfathers, what do they do thats above such things then? thats what i meant by enlighten me, if you know of Skyfathes, whats the average feets that give them their title?

How about effortlessly slapping down people like Surfer?

Originally posted by illadelph12
the criteria is where would their abilities place them when compared to a "mainstream" peer of equal/similar ability, not who they would defeat in a fight.

who odin can defeat is disregarded also what makes this act against surfer not PIS?

because character A can beat character B does not mean he is stronger or more powerful in "every" way to character B nor does it mean any indication to characters A power over Bs own feets. Especially in comics with so much PIS going around, the surfer from whats been said has vast power, also is Surfer a full immortal?

take into account was surfer going all out, bloodlusted against Odin? was he going at translight speeds at him, with all his power focused, or did the comic simply display him attacking odin and odin winning, then if thats the case, possible PIS if their not using their full prowess

Their?

I don't think it was Odin's intention to kill 'im.

Originally posted by llagrok
Their?

I don't think it was Odin's intention to kill 'im.

Their, yes as in Surfer and Odin, if the feature where they are fighting in battle is actually at full capacity and theres reason to suspect this then its a good example of skyfather power over high heralds, however if their both at low power or not showing their feets to the max or a plot device was involved then its not such a good source

ime ranking characters accoring to whos already in there, imo Kain is far beyond Dante, so is Pyron, but i dont think Pyron has the variety of powers to match a skyfather

whats your opinion on the feets needed for skyfather? obviously immortality are not required since none of the asgardians have true immortality?

dur.

I don't even need to read the posts to tell that this thread is deserving of it.

Originally posted by Soljer
dur.

I don't even need to read the posts to tell that this thread is deserving of it.

😆 thanks for this, an excellent example of the mentality of people who go on here, let me guess? put skyfather for characters next who you dont know 🙄

why this whole thread? although your right it means nothing but most of the debates are only peoples opinions, sometimes very biased opinions based on nothing, so its not really fair to judge this thread impeticulour

No, perhaps I misspoke.

Not the entire thread.

Just the dumb-shit fanboys.

doped.

No names of course. 🙄.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, perhaps I misspoke.

Not the entire thread.

Just the dumb-shit fanboys.

doped.

No names of course. 🙄.

oh i see, i get what you mean 😄

Originally posted by Burning thought
why is Surfer only a herald level if hes got such mighty power

And what makes odin slapping down surfer not pis?

A fight Odin had:

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause he pretty much defines "hearled" level... he's a hearald, its where the name came from.

And what makes odin slapping down surfer not pis?

A fight Odin had:

i know hes a herald but he can seem to do so many powerful feets and has even outclassed from what ive seen many of the higher ranked beings he deserves higher imo, even if he is a herald at heart

ime not sure but is that the surfer fight, i do not object again his power, but wether both Odin and Surfer were both fighting at 100% and with all their skill and powers is still the question at hand, what Odin did in another panel can be completly diffrent to what hes done in yet other panels, is this the surfer one?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Their, yes as in Surfer and Odin, if the feature where they are fighting in battle is actually at full capacity and theres reason to suspect this then its a good example of skyfather power over high heralds, however if their both at low power or not showing their feets to the max or a plot device was involved then its not such a good source

ime ranking characters accoring to whos already in there, imo Kain is far beyond Dante, so is Pyron, but i dont think Pyron has the variety of powers to match a skyfather

whats your opinion on the feets needed for skyfather? obviously immortality are not required since none of the asgardians have true immortality?

It works as an example of how much stronger a skyfather is than a herald, even when one or both are holding back. A skyfather wouldn't need to exert himself in order to beat a herald, which is why it's not very likely to see any of them go all out against a herald level.

A good skyfather feat would be the ability to destroy a galaxy.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause he pretty much defines "hearled" level... he's a hearald, its where the name came from.

And what makes odin slapping down surfer not pis?

A fight Odin had:

You have to remember that the Odin Surfer fought was the Odin who did NOT absorb all the power of Asgard (just like in that picture you show against Seth). That was TRUE Odin who knocked out Surfer not the augmented Odin who had to absorb all of Asgardians power. That doesn't count, not too mention it is Hyperbole anyway.

Originally posted by llagrok
It works as an example of how much stronger a skyfather is than a herald, even when one or both are holding back. A skyfather wouldn't need to exert himself in order to beat a herald, which is why it's not very likely to see any of them go all out against a herald level.

A good skyfather feat would be the ability to destroy a galaxy.

hmm thats fair enough, so not pyron then, weve settled it, Pyron cannot destroy a galaxy and doesnt have that feet.

so high herald

Originally posted by Burning thought
ime not sure but is that the surfer fight, i do not object again his power, but wether both Odin and Surfer were both fighting at 100% and with all their skill and powers is still the question at hand, what Odin did in another panel can be completly diffrent to what hes done in yet other panels, is this the surfer one?

Surfer unleashed his power at Odin, and Odin responded in general.
Surfer could barely manage to get Odin's attention.

Another thing, why are you commenting on power levels, when you know neither skyfather level, or herald level?

Also, Odin is the highest power a skyfather can be, while Surfer is the highest power a herald can be.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
That was either the Forsung fight, or the Seth fight.

Surfer unleashed his power at Odin, and Odin responded in general.
Surfer could barely manage to get Odin's attention.

Another thing, why are you commenting on power levels, when you know neither skyfather level, or herald level?

Also, Odin is the highest power a skyfather can be, while Surfer is the highest power a herald can be.

well thats fair enough but he still isnt seemingly going all out, the guy can move at translight speeds, was he moving at that to attack Odin, you have to take into consideration powerful things he "did not" do..

ime comenting on power levels because assorting beings into respective Titles means on their power levels...i know what a Herald is and now i know what a skyfather is, powers is what would assort said characters into the title, so their powers are important.

fair enough, but still, i needed to break into the point to find out "why"...Surfer although creates a blackhole (incredible feat) has not destroyed a galaxy before. His destructive power is certainly feeble comapred to Odin from that anyway

Originally posted by Burning thought
well thats fair enough but he still isnt seemingly going all out, the guy can move at translight speeds, was he moving at that to attack Odin, you have to take into consideration powerful things he "did not" do..

ime comenting on power levels because assorting beings into respective Titles means on their power levels...i know what a Herald is and now i know what a skyfather is, powers is what would assort said characters into the title, so their powers are important.

fair enough, but still, i needed to break into the point to find out "why"...Surfer although creates a blackhole (incredible feat) has not destroyed a galaxy before. His destructive power is certainly feeble comapred to Odin from that anyway

Also, Odin has traveled extremely fast as well... if Surfer used speed, Odin could most likely follow him.

Surfer also hates to kill beings. Which means, even if he had the power to destroy a galaxy, he would never do it.
Also, Odin is Odin. Odin is more powerful than Surfer.