Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Started by Burning thought307 pages

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He tried to use his speed a little... he got caught.
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Thanos continues the fight, but Surfer was taken out with that blast.

Also, Odin has traveled extremely fast as well... if Surfer used speed, Odin could most likely follow him.

Surfer also hates to kill beings. Which means, even if he had the power to destroy a galaxy, he would never do it.
Also, Odin is Odin. Odin is more powerful than Surfer.

Good scans i enjoyed reading them, can Odin travel/ever shown to be able to move at faster than light like surfer

also yes Surfer it seems was incapable of harming Odin, although he didnt use his speed and the power he was putting into it, as you say, he doesnt like to kill he may be holding back but only marvel would know that, that for surfer is a little PIS, he is being a little stupid since he isnt using his full abilities, like speed he did not try.

lol Odin is Odin, i agree hes powerful, but simply because Odin is odin isnt good enough, Kain is kain so he wins would also be a bad thing to say, so i dont, but okie Odin>surfer although i still belive from what ive heard and seen the Surfer is still far beyond what for example Pyron can do, the surfer has so many abilities, Pyron has nothing on Odin either, so pyron for skyfather would be ridiculous.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
That was either the Forsung fight, or the Seth fight.

Surfer unleashed his power at Odin, and Odin responded in general.
Surfer could barely manage to get Odin's attention.

Another thing, why are you commenting on power levels, when you know neither skyfather level, or herald level?

Also, Odin is the highest power a skyfather can be, while Surfer is the highest power a herald can be.


Bran sorry to say but you are a moron.
He already said that skyfathers bones are 3 time denser then humans.........

Maybe he read some bios...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Good scans i enjoyed reading them, can Odin travel/ever shown to be able to move at faster than light like surfer

also yes Surfer it seems was incapable of harming Odin, although he didnt use his speed and the power he was putting into it, as you say, he doesnt like to kill he may be holding back but only marvel would know that, that for surfer is a little PIS, he is being a little stupid since he isnt using his full abilities, like speed he did not try.

lol Odin is Odin, i agree hes powerful, but simply because Odin is odin isnt good enough, Kain is kain so he wins would also be a bad thing to say, so i dont, but okie Odin>surfer although i still belive from what ive heard and seen the Surfer is still far beyond what for example Pyron can do, the surfer has so many abilities, Pyron has nothing on Odin either, so pyron for skyfather would be ridiculous.

Odin traversed the end of the universe, and back in his fight with Forsung... and created suns as well in that fight.

Doesn't mean he's going to hold back, just means that he's not going to destroy galaxies, or solar systems, or kill people... innocents.
He's unleashed his power before on Thanos (it didn't hurt him, but he put all his power into it), and has almost killed Skrull with a punch when he was bloodlusted. He also destroyed someone dressed up like Thanos before.
Plus, when Surfer has to team up with Thanos, he knows the foe is extremely powerful. Why would he hold back?

Surfer also tried to sneak attack Odin...

However, I mentioned some of Odin's feats. And Odin being Odin, means Surfer ain't got shit on him.

I have no idea what Pyron can do, or even who he is, nor do I want to know.
However, I do know my comic characters.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman

However, I mentioned some of Odin's feats. And Odin being Odin, means Surfer ain't got shit on him.

I have no idea what Pyron can do, or even who he is, nor do I want to know.
However, I do know my comic characters.

hmm i suppose that does make sense since their both from the same universe, and the tiering system is very set in stone i find

hmm yes, good, wheras i know my gaming chracters and only know the things about comic characters that Marvels character profiles can tell me and the bits and bobs people have said i pick up on

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Maybe he read some bios...

Oh yeah he must have read the Biography of Marvel Skyfather shandbook.........doh

Originally posted by Estacado
Oh yeah he must have read the Biography of Marvel Skyfather shandbook.........doh
No, I mean Odin's.

It does say that Asgardian bones are three times denser than humans in their bios.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
No, I mean Odin's.

It does say that Asgardian bones are three times denser than humans in their bios.


Since when are all asgardians skyfathers?313
Odin having bones 3 times stronger then a human doesn't mean that all the other "skyfathers" have that too.

since when does it matter what density their bones are, its a small measure comapred to all their other powers, bone density only sounds like a weakness, and their lack of true immortality, but other than that they seem to have great feets of power.

Originally posted by Estacado
Since when are all asgardians skyfathers?313
Odin having bones 3 times stronger then a human doesn't mean that all the other "skyfathers" have that too.
General consensus.

Originally posted by Estacado
Since when are all asgardians skyfathers?313
Odin having bones 3 times stronger then a human doesn't mean that all the other "skyfathers" have that too.
If Odin's bones were only 3 times stronger than a human, then Odin wouldn't have survived 2 seconds against Thanos.

Originally posted by masterbruce
If Odin's bones were only 3 times stronger than a human, then Odin wouldn't have survived 2 seconds against Thanos.

be fair to take into account Odins vast magic, powers and protection he can probably do, it says its only 3 times denser in his profile on Marvel so i cant see how that can be wrong

Originally posted by masterbruce
If Odin's bones were only 3 times stronger than a human, then Odin wouldn't have survived 2 seconds against Thanos.

Denser. Plus he has teh OidnPowa!

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. gdgd

2. whos talking about LOkverse, according to KMC rules, characters get all their canon showings, known powers and abilities in fights, however the laws of physics, gravity unless siad cahracter has shown to be able to defy for example a black hole, and do said powers. Also unlike the guardians, kains reaver powers are from emblems that have the pillars power within them, however his infnite magic energy would not be in the fight if this logic and kmc rules were left out of the battle is true. You say you have decent knowledge yet youve yet to show me and various others true proof of certain abilities and at the same time bring up a background to determine the size of pyron in clips, obviously simply playing both games like Fire Ninja or "claiming" good knowledge on a character is not good enough, Estacado claims hes played the LOK games many times, yet brings up rubbish that is not even in the story at the same time as missing out many story elements that everyone else who has played it (AFAIK) have picked up upon. Not neccerily, his only prequisit, we can see him slowly moving away from the planet and gaining momentum in the scan, so he has a time limit before he can seemingly move at said speeds and he still has no showings of light speed in battles, teleport yes, lightspeed during battles no. Not to menstion pyron in a ball will be at a disadvantage due to the fact all he could do then is ram opponents he has shown to have to have his chest revealed to absrob and to use his arms and hands in various energy powers.

5. well thats opinion isnt it, once again i still say calling pyrons robots heralds is a terrible insult to Galactus' heralds, the varied powers of his heralds is that they can easily do many feets pyron himself can do and more, time manipulation one of them, surfer for examples feets are many and great in comparison to one of pyrons robots, he may as well be a Sky-father considering he can take out planets himself, cause blackholes like Harry has stated, Heralds is a strong world for those robots just as it would be for kains sons, kain created them through manipulation of his own soul to give them life. Also energy manipulation on a higher scale? hes max feet is destroying a planet, thats all. Its nothing kain couldnt do in a less amount of time considering his time manipulation. Boundless energy, possibly is hyperbole, ill concede that, but using it alone shows that even if its not boundless, its got to be on an high level. In comparison to kains variety of powers, Pyrons variety is nothing, i agree he has some, but not many and in comparison is nothing on kains ability list. I never remember mentioning beyonder, tbh i know less on him than i do on Skyfathers so beyonder i wouldnt say anything on unless someone can give me info on the thing Although my credbility i dont care about, thats a popularity thing, popularity means nothing in debates.

2. I still do believe the Pyron Andromeda thing, but I won't bring it up anymore. Pyron can still grow at least as large as the sun, as Hellstorm, a planet bigger than Jupiter, was like a basketball to him, and the size difference between Jupiter and the sun is not as vast as you might think. As for his speed, Pyron was as big as the planet before, and on the first panel, he was shown to be considerable smaller than it, and in the next one was a dot of light like a star in the distance. Also, 65 million years later, Pyron shows he doesn't need to build momentum at all. If I owned the UDON comics, I would know what his battles were like, but I unfortunately don't(also, new UDON comics of Streetfighter and DS are being released again, YAY!). I hope you do realise that going at the speed he is at in ball form, even Supes would be incinerated. He uses his chest to absorb that is true, but that is not his only way to kill his opponents, and he can use his shield and tele in ball form as well. He would not be able to use ranged attacks, you are right.

5. What they lack in pure powers to Big G's Heralds, is made up with the amount he can create in short times. Pyron could just absorb SS btw, he is far greater, and he is physically strong enough to kill him. They are heralds no matter hiw you crack it, also, I am going to try and confirm CFE comics canonicity, if I can, he can create cosmic fire elementals with all the abilities he has, only on a lesser scale from his fingertips. How could Kain bust a planet? Has he ever shown anywhere near the power to? Pyron absorbs the entirity of planets, and has grown far stronger. Also, Pyron's absorption is not charged, don't know where you got that. 😬 I agree, Kain can probably manipulate alot of energy, but, he could not steal the Power Cosmic from Galactus as you said once. Pyron can create matter from nothing. He can easily destroy or absorb planets. He has cosmic awareness beyond planetary scale. He can shapeshift. He can change size. He can manipulate cosmic fire. He has immense strength. He can fly FTL. He has more powers, but I don't feel like mentioning them, and you forget that alot of Kain's powers actually come from his sword. Pre-Retcon Beyonder level basically means the character can do anything, he could one shot Pyron, Kain, Big G, and Jedah at the same time. If you said he was, I would tell everyone and you would never be taken seriously and would forever be on ignore.

Also, galaxy destroying is just a good Skyfather feat, it is not required, SS can fly millions of times lightspeed, Kain does not come even close, but Kain's nifty abilities give him mid-high Herald.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Is Phenomenol still not banned yet? Let's go over this, one more time:

OKAY, EVERY MEMBER WHO READS THIS THREAD (AND EVEN THE MODERATORS), READ HOW ENDLESS MIKE JUST MAKES UP RANDOM NONSENSE AND HE NEVER GOES BY CANON, ONLY HIS OWN FANFICTION THEORIES! YOUR TROLLING ME AGAIN.

Here I go.....

Tenchi with 3 Light Hawk Wings resisted the gravity of a black hole past the event horizon, which is infinite. That far exceeds the Chobimaru's attack.

Bullocks! NO It is stated by Clay BEFORE Tenchi escaped that the LHW's "changed the Gravity's constant" and it shows Tenchi and the others escaping it!
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1041394apksJF6w?searchId=3027291647132606904&rank=0

Z with 2 Light Hawk Wings was completely unharmed by Tsunami and Tokimi's destruction of a large part of the Milky Way Galaxy. That far exceeds the Chobimaru's attack.

Never was this EVER implied, stated or even shown, nothing but speculation here.

Zinv with 2 Light Hawk Wings merged two entire universes together. Merging universes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet destroying.

Tell me he ain't LYING people? No where is that stated....
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1264836hTKAxxKb?searchId=6922781983265742904&rank=4

The author states in 101 secrets that only one power can penetrate the LHWs (the power of the Chousein, which can also apply to similarly powerful super cosmic entities). Kagato was attempting to synthesize the energies of the Chousein with Washu's gems (which she put her power into) to defeat the LHWs, because he knew brute force was useless (and he still failed). It takes twice as much energy to summon one additional LHW (as stated in 101 secrets). 10 LHWs are the maximum amount one universe can contain, any more would destroy it. That means 3 LHWs require 1/128th of universe - destroying power to maintain. 5 require 1/32 of universe - destroying power, 6 require 1/16th, etc.

You do nothing but bring your own fanfiction and theory into this one. NOWHERE did Kajishama state only the Chousin or cosmic entitiies could pierce LHW. 🙄 Going against canon again.

Tenchi had never summoned 6 LHWs before, it required 8 times more energy than he had ever used in the past. This strain was too much for him and he was overcome and sent to the hyperdimension. Apparently Noike knew this would happen. This is the only logical conclusion. It could [b]NOT have been due to the Chobimaru's attack, since -

a. The Chobimaru's attack never reached Tenchi. It was completely nullified by the LHWs (which appeared a significant distance in front of him) before reaching him.

b. Tenchi was visibly "struggling" before the blast even reached him, meaning it was due to the power of summoning 6 at once.

c. That was the first time Tenchi had consciously attempted to summon his LHWs. All the other times had been involuntary. That is why he summoned 6 instead of the usual 3. Until then, he didn't know he had that capability. He was still inexperienced with his powers.

Tokimi attempted to kill Z (when he only had 2 LHWs), but it was stated that the power required to do so would shatter the third dimension, so she backed off. Tokimi is a multiverse - creator. If all it took to defeat Z's LHWs was planet busting power, then she could have easily done it. Unless you are claiming that the Chobimaru > Tokimi?

Noike loved Tenchi, she would never have set up a situation that would harm him (the Chobimaru's attack would not harm him). If it had overcome the LHWs as you state, then it would have just kept on going toward Earth and destroyed it, but it didn't.

None of this IS canon.....But this is...........

*Copies and pastes more canon*

This post is nothin but fanboyism, you actually take Tenchi Muyo serious, LOL! Yes, Tenchi's SIX LHW cops a powerful hit from the Chobimaru in episode 20 (You can even see Tenchi struggling trying to contain the blast and when the blast disappears so DOES Tenchi), the energy from that blast forced him into the space-time nexus so he could meet Kagato's female alter-ego again. This was all part of girl-Kagato's plan, she was still part of Noike at the time, and she took over Noike's body for a moment and caused the Chobimaru to fire, knowing Tenchi would put himself in the way. SIX LHWs *were* defeated, but Tenchi himself absorbed what energy made it past the LHWs - if you remember in episode 19, the force that threw him into the nexus the first time was the energy of Z's LHW, the Chobimaru's cannon served the same effect. The Chobimaru was supposedly a planet destroying blast and Tenchi was overcome.

*Posts More Canon*....

Watch when Z slices Tenchi he goes back in time from Z' energy (note how Noike is hoping tenchi gets hit by Z so Tenchi could go back in time to meet girl-Kagato)!
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v11591213ZKHZteN?searchId=5676168117075473766&rank=0

Look how Tenchi LHW gets overcome AGAIN and the energy blasts(enough to destroy a planet) sends him into the Nexus of time because of Noike! Tenchi and his LHW were defeated (Look how he struggles trying to contain the blast).
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1159137e99BZxDK?searchId=6922781983265789635&rank=0

Originally posted by Phenomenol
None of this IS canon.....But this is...........

*Copies and pastes more canon*

This post is nothin but fanboyism, you actually take Tenchi Muyo serious, LOL! Yes, Tenchi's SIX LHW cops a powerful hit from the Chobimaru in episode 20 (You can even see Tenchi struggling trying to contain the blast and when the blast disappears so DOES Tenchi), the energy from that blast forced him into the space-time nexus so he could meet Kagato's female alter-ego again. This was all part of girl-Kagato's plan, she was still part of Noike at the time, and she took over Noike's body for a moment and caused the Chobimaru to fire, knowing Tenchi would put himself in the way. SIX LHWs *were* defeated, but Tenchi himself absorbed what energy made it past the LHWs - if you remember in episode 19, the force that threw him into the nexus the first time was the energy of Z's LHW, the Chobimaru's cannon served the same effect. The Chobimaru was supposedly a planet destroying blast and Tenchi was overcome.

TenchiMuyo was written in the "long block of meaningless and impenetrable text that reeks for misdirected rage" style?

Explains why I never get past the second episode.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
TenchiMuyo was written in the "long block of meaningless and impenetrable text that reeks for misdirected rage" style?

Explains why I never get past the second episode.

Well yeah, Tenchi Muyo should not be taken serious, I agree with you stopping after the second episode.

You know, how about you guys settle this once and for all with some sort of Battlezone like match? Phenomenol as someone say Goku, and Mike as Z? I'm sure Darthgoober would agree to it.

Originally posted by Akuki
You know, how about you guys settle this once and for all with some sort of Battlezone like match? Phenomenol as someone say Goku, and Mike as Z? I'm sure Darthgoober would agree to it.
And the stipulations would be that, if Phenomenol loses, he gets banned, or goes away, and if Mike loses, then Phenomenol gets banned, or goes away.

I like Phenom, his bullshit is kinda funny.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
And the stipulations would be that, if Phenomenol loses, he gets banned, or goes away, and if Mike loses, then Phenomenol gets banned, or goes away.

Or how bout Mike just stop lying & power wanking on his fav chars & just tells the simple truth. If Phenom wins. 😛