Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hahahahahahaha wut?

In THEORY she could be pretty powerful, in PRACTICE she is nothing more than the designated damsel-in-distress. At her best moments she is the healer, in combat she sucks ass.

Let me illustrate the difference between Orohime and a Skyfather for you.

I nominated a character for Skyfather in this thread. The character Pyron from Darkstalkers.

Some of Pyron's feats include shrinking constellations of stars from space and teleporting them to his person to be used as methods of attack, at his full size being able to dwarf the Andromeda galaxy, and actually having his own galaxy of planets he assimilated into himself orbiting him that is four times the size of the Milky Way.

Can Orohime do anything even rivaling that?

Skyfathers are characters like Odin, Orohime, while having a potentially powerful move-set, works on much too small a scale.

The argument can be made that, she is such a wuss and so kindhearted because her power is so great. Give her power to anyone else and shit would be catastrophic.

Nope, she can't do any of that, but she could seriously phuck up his day by rejecting his entire existence. How is bringing people back to life, from ashes, no a skyfather ability?

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not talking about that but that is a good scene. I'm referring to the scene where ichigo first got his mask and he was pinned by 4 large column while laying down and he lifted the columns off of him. This was during his first or second transformation when he was being taught on how to control his transformation.

Originally posted by carver9
Naruto at his Prime would give Hulk a fight. This is the Naruto that is lifting up mountains right and punch 100 ft tall frogs a mile?

I never said that they could harm Juggernaut, Thor is one of the most powerful high heralds and he failed to hurt Juggernaut. The stranger who is almost sky father level failed to hurt Juggernaut so why would I think a naruto character would be able to but Juggernaut isnt one shotting them and thats for sure. Again, if you look at punching power and look at what bleach characters been punched through and what they have taken, they are not falling in one shot.

I never said Naruto nor bleach can solo the high herald peeps.

Show the scan.

2. Juggernaut has physically harmed Thor. Who has survived inside of suns. Can a Bleach character survive inside a sun? If you say yes, you are a moron.

3. I did not say you did, you said no anime characters are being let into high herald as if I was one of the ones who was allegedly overrating them, I can think of abstract-level anime characters. In fact, Z, an anime character, made it into Transcendant.

Originally posted by marwash22
...btw, the 300 ton feat Carver mentioned, happened in the fight against Pein. A building-sized rock got dropped on the Kyuubi... it shrugged it off and wasn't hurt at all.

EDIT: Juggs would never be able to touch a 'Bleach' character, so i dunno how he'd one shot them. A bleach character could most certainly restrain Juggs though.

2. Hahahahahahahahaha wut? World War Hulk failed to actually stop the Juggernaut, are you really saying the relatively feeble Bleachers could?

Originally posted by carver9
You are getting skyfather mixed up with Galactus level peeps. Pyron is easily on Galactus level and he would STOMP Odin.

I agree though, she isnt skyfather, especially durability wise.

Originally posted by marwash22
A character's ability has nothing to do with their personality... if that were the case, Superman should be bumped down because he doesn't do half the shit he's capable of. Same goes for Surfer and a host of other characte.

The argument can be made that, she is such a wuss and so kindhearted because her power is so great. Give her power to anyone else and shit would be catastrophic.

Nope, she can't do any of that, but she could seriously phuck up his day by rejecting his entire existence. How is bringing people back to life, from ashes, no a skyfather ability?

2. Yeah... No. She has three basic powers, a shield, the ability to heal (Actually reverting their body to their previous, undamaged form), and with Tsubaki she can cut things. That is it. 😐 That is all that has been shown, hell, that is all that has even been implied, Aizen's claim that she "Violates the realm of gods," nice hyperbole by the way, was only a comment on her healing ability. She cannot even work on the scale of a city, much less a planet or galaxy.

3. Oh? So you can prove her powers work at a galactic scale then? Because she would have to literally reject over an entire galaxy's existence, ignoring the fact that Pyron is also massively FTL and she could not process a thought before he killed her. Ganondorf, who is considered low Herald on that list, can bring things back from ashes or less, hell, he does her one better, he can actually create life.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He would outlast him, his stamina is infite, their stamina is not.

I think he could bfr him though 😉

Originally posted by NemeBro
300 tons? When was this?

Sajin judo tossed choe neng poww.

Originally posted by amnesia
Sajin judo tossed choe neng poww.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That I could accept, not sure if Po would weigh 300 tons but whatever, though they were talking about them throwing 300 tons off of them, which would be much more impressive.

He was godzilla size, that's a hercules feat

(I am in no way claiming that he is stronger than herc, it just resembles the time herc judo tossed godzilla)

Originally posted by NemeBro
they were talking about them throwing 300 tons off of them, which would be much more impressive.

i dunno know which chapter/page it is exactly in the manga and I'm too lazy to look (somewhere between chapter's 436-438)... in the anime, it's episode 167.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Is Hulk at his angriest, his greatest potential basically.

2. Check the scan, his flight-line or whatever you want to call it was right at the edge.

You are aware that force is velocity x mass, correct? Superman moving his fist at such a speed would obviously destroy at the very least a mountain.

3. And Kyuubi has never done it so this has no relevance. 😐 Was one of its tails that was allegedly able to do so, funny how weak it was when it was actually fought. I know more about Naruto, and most anime, than you ever will.

Thats the greatest we have seen hulk at so he was amped.

Show me Superman destroying a mountain with a punch and again, he flew THROUGH the moon not past it. It even say it in the story that he flew through Saturns moon. Stop making stuff up.

I dont care about velocity x because first thing, Superman has never shown that he can move his hands at "C" and second, Superman doesnt have the feats of destroying mountains with a punch unless you have something backing this up.

Naruto did it, the nine tail fox is part of him and yes, I agree, you might do know more about majority of the anime than myself but there are some out there that I look at ALL THE TIME and READ on all the time. I never said that I'm the anime expert but I know what I have seen from anime and Marvel and DC characters and thats why I am calling majority of your claims BS.

What tier is goku(SSJ4)currently at?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What tier is goku(SSJ4)currently at?

People have differenct opinions.

I could see SS4 Goku beating odin.

I'm going to leave it at that.

Hell, I would give SS3 Goku the nods over Odin but again, people have their own opinions.

Why is there a different Tier for the same character? Goku isn't like Superman, where there are different versions of him. Shouldn't Goku only be in one tier and whatever tier it is, just have it be for his most powerful form.

Originally posted by carver9
People have differenct opinions.

I could see SS4 Goku beating odin.

I'm going to leave it at that.

Hell, I would give SS3 Goku the nods over Odin but again, people have their own opinions.

now you are going to far 😉

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What tier is goku(SSJ4)currently at?

If you want to know why I said what I said, here is my reason why.

Gohun and Super Buu fighting so fast that yet again time stops.

Fast forward this to 7 minutes and 35 seconds.

Look at the rocks around them when they are fighting; it is still floating in the air and they do numerous of fighting moves before the rock even gain the right amount of kinetic energy to fall to the ground. So basically, they were fighting in milli seconds because it would take a rock a second to hit the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at86xkVeLW0

Originally posted by amnesia
now you are going to far 😉

😆

LOL, thats why I said different opinions.

I think frieza would give Thanos a fight and possibly win if Thanos isnt using his shields (really dont know how much damage Thanos shields can withstand). Everything after frieza that is stronger than him, I could see out right destroying whippin Thanos a**. Thanos gave Odin a fight; you get what I am trying to say.

I can tell you the reasons on why I think frieza would beat Thanos if you would like to know.

Originally posted by carver9
😆

LOL, thats why I said different opinions.

I think frieza would give Thanos a fight and possibly win if Thanos isnt using his shields (really dont know how much damage Thanos shields can withstand). Everything after frieza that is stronger than him, I could see out right destroying whippin Thanos a**. Thanos gave Odin a fight; you get what I am trying to say.

I can tell you the reasons on why I think frieza would beat Thanos if you would like to know.

The fight that involved smacking Thanos around? Odin didn't go all out, if he did Asgard would lay in ashes.

But yes, i do want to know how Frieza would beat Thanos 🙂

Originally posted by amnesia
The fight that involved smacking Thanos around? Odin didn't go all out, if he did Asgard would lay in ashes.

But yes, i do want to know how Frieza would beat Thanos 🙂

The only true advantage that Thanos has over Frieza is durability and I dont even think that is at a large gap.

Power output...Frieza using less than 1% of his true power destroyed a planet with one finger. Frieza final form>>>>>>>the frieza that destroyed a planet with one finger. Thanos doesnt have planet busting feats power wise but we all know he is powerful but he has as of yet to show that he can wreck a planet with his blast (even though I think he could) and even if he could, he isnt doing it at 1% of his power.

Durability, Thanos MIGHT have the edge but Frieza isnt a push over. This is a guy that tanked a blast that had energy from every living being in the solar system. This is the guy that got kicked through two mountains and said that it tickled and had a smile on his face. This is the guy that was hit by an atomic bomb point blank range from Goku Kamehameha and didnt have a scratch once it exploded.

Strength/Punching power... Casually tossed Goku without even trying with his tail cloud height. Was punching Goku so hard that it was creating nuke like explosions across Namek. Was punching Goku so hard that it was creating after shocks across namek. Lift an island up with his mind with ease.

Speed... was fighting Goku so fast that the rock around them appeared as if it stopped in mid air. They did a full fight scene before the rocks that was close to the ground gained moment to even begin to fall. Frieza combat speed is second to none if you actually look at his feats.

The only edge Thanos have is his durability unless you want to low ball frieza. Both of them doesnt have lifting feat but punching power is in frieza corner.

That is why I give Frieza the edge over Thanos.

Originally posted by carver9
The only true advantage that Thanos has over Frieza is durability and I dont even think that is at a large gap.

Power output...Frieza using less than 1% of his true power destroyed a planet with one finger. Frieza final form>>>>>>>the frieza that destroyed a planet with one finger. Thanos doesnt have planet busting feats power wise but we all know he is powerful but he has as of yet to show that he can wreck a planet with his blast (even though I think he could) and even if he could, he isnt doing it at 1% of his power.

Durability, Thanos MIGHT have the edge but Frieza isnt a push over. This is a guy that tanked a blast that had energy from every living being in the solar system. This is the guy that got kicked through two mountains and said that it tickled and had a smile on his face. This is the guy that was hit by an atomic bomb point blank range from Goku Kamehameha and didnt have a scratch once it exploded.

Strength/Punching power... Casually tossed Goku without even trying with his tail cloud height. Was punching Goku so hard that it was creating nuke like explosions across Namek. Was punching Goku so hard that it was creating after shocks across namek. Lift an island up with his mind with ease.

Speed... was fighting Goku so fast that the rock around them appeared as if it stopped in mid air. They did a full fight scene before the rocks that was close to the ground gained moment to even begin to fall. Frieza combat speed is second to none if you actually look at his feats.

The only edge Thanos have is his durability unless you want to low ball frieza. Both of them doesnt have lifting feat but punching power is in frieza corner.

That is why I give Frieza the edge over Thanos.

I agree, however, my opinion might change after thanos imperative.