Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Superman has destroyed moons and his punches have been described as planet destroying.

Juggernaut is low herald due to feats that show he has strength on par with other herald levelers and durability that puts him above even Superman. I imagine he's only in low herald due to lack of versatility. He is physically the most powerful being in his class.

You cant use Superman rambing a moon as evidence of punching power. I have never seen a high herald strength being so strong that the wave of their hands destroy mountains. I have seen fights with Thor fighting the destroyer, Hulk, Mangog, Juggernaut, etc... and the punching power isnt as impressive as what you are making it. I have seen Supes fight, Kalibak, Darkseid, Titus, etc... and the punching power isnt as impressive as you are making it.

People in manga have much more impressive punching feats.

Originally posted by NemeBro
When the hell did I say I did not read or watch Naruto? QUOTE ME, seriously, find the friggin quote. I have read all of Naruto up to date, and I have proven to be far more knowledgable on the series than thee.

I did not say the Kyuubi was not "big," and I certainly did not say it was human-sized, would you please stop strawmanning my argument.

I said it was not as big as you seem to think it is, LOOK AT THE SCAN.

Oh? It... Wasn't? Funny, because it was stated by Killer Bee that to defeat the Kyuubi, Naruto would have to use his chakra to pull away the Kyuubi's chakra. You're wrong. Deal with it.

What facts have I gotten wrong?

Kyuubi has the same resistance to damage as the Juggernaut? Juggernaut has taken a God-Blast without injury from Thor, show me a single durability feat from Kyuubi to compare. More destructive? Juggernaut could lift one of those mountains and throw it to space, he is a brick so he lacks any explosive or more destructive methods of attack, but he would crush the Kyuubi.

It was a wave of its tail actually... Which has not actually been proven to be true, but Superman could look at a mountain and annihilate it with heat vision. He could lift the Himalayas and throw it into space. Superman would kill the Kyuubi with a slap.

I agree, Superman would beat the nine tail but show me a herald destroying something the size of a mountain with the wave of his hands. Show me a herlad lifting up something the size of the Himalayas and tossing it out of space. I'm referring to them being on a planetary environment with an atmosphere. Not in space.

Originally posted by Bentley
You're misguided, nobody in Naruto has shown being close to Superboy, let alone Clark.

I would add that they should, in certain conditions (not having to quickdraw against speedesters, and some like that) hang with people in the next upper tier, and then lose.

The Kyubbi cannot hang with high heralds.

Regarding punching power, what is Superboy hardest punch and lets not resort to a bizarro comic; use a none cartoonish comic.

Originally posted by Hellspawn28
No one in the HST (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece) are at herald level. Any low level herald would solo Naruto, and Kyuubi should be at High Meta at the best.

WTF... Naruto at his best is at low Herald. I could see him raping some low heralds and even messing Hulk up.

Bleach...WTF... currently they are shooting nukes EASILY. Then we have them punching people through building size pillars of pure concrete with ease and lifting at least 300 tons off of them with ease.

I cant name a low herald that could hang with one of the best bleach characters without getting raped.

You all truly underrate Anime/Manga characters.

I have yet to see you all give ANYONE the high herald benefit when there are thousands out there that could destroy the best of high heralds. Anime character doesnt go around lifting sh** like DC and Marvel characters does, thats why they dont have lifting feats, all of their feats fall from punching power and this is because they like to fight and if we look at punching power, they are easily on the high herald list and some are above.

Originally posted by carver9
You cant use Superman rambing a moon as evidence of punching power. I have never seen a high herald strength being so strong that the wave of their hands destroy mountains. I have seen fights with Thor fighting the destroyer, Hulk, Mangog, Juggernaut, etc... and the punching power isnt as impressive as what you are making it. I have seen Supes fight, Kalibak, Darkseid, Titus, etc... and the punching power isnt as impressive as you are making it.

People in manga have much more impressive punching feats.

I have seen Hulk manipulate entire tectonic plates, while weakened if I recall right.

I have seen Superman fly by a moon and cutting it in half.

People in manga have much more impressive punching feats? Well that all depends on which manga now doesn't it? 😐

Certainly not in Naruto.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, Superman would beat the nine tail but show me a herald destroying something the size of a mountain with the wave of his hands. Show me a herlad lifting up something the size of the Himalayas and tossing it out of space. I'm referring to them being on a planetary environment with an atmosphere. Not in space.

Originally posted by Hellspawn28
No one in the HST (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece) are at herald level. Any low level herald would solo Naruto, and Kyuubi should be at High Meta at the best.

Let's not exaggerate, Kizaru from OP has genuine faster than light speed, light control, regeneration, intangibility and uber strength. He's at very least low herald.

Originally posted by carver9
WTF... Naruto at his best is at low Herald. I could see him raping some low heralds and even messing Hulk up.

Bleach...WTF... currently they are shooting nukes EASILY. Then we have them punching people through building size pillars of pure concrete with ease and lifting at least 300 tons off of them with ease.

I cant name a low herald that could hang with one of the best bleach characters without getting raped.

You all truly underrate Anime/Manga characters.

I have yet to see you all give ANYONE the high herald benefit when there are thousands out there that could destroy the best of high heralds. Anime character doesnt go around lifting sh** like DC and Marvel characters does, thats why they dont have lifting feats, all of their feats fall from punching power and this is because they like to fight and if we look at punching power, they are easily on the high herald list and some are above.

Are you mentally one of the unfortunate, or just an incredible troll?

They're shooting nukes easily? O RLY? Ichigo's attack in his H2 form was the level of a low-yield nuke, and Yamamto's supposed blast power and durability are only small-city level, if a little beyond. Pure concrete? Wow that's amazing, Juggernaut can plough through concrete and can physically rival Thor, who has feats such as overpowering the Midgar Serpent, whom was wrapped around the Earth. 300 tons? When was this?

Juggernaut would crush any Bleach character, he would paste them with a single attack, and they could do him no harm, their only hope would be a BFR, which even Spiderman has pulled off.

Yeah I can name some anime characters who could solo the entire High Herald list, NONE of whom include anyone from Naruto or Bleach.

Originally posted by Bentley
Let's not exaggerate, Kizaru from OP has genuine faster than light speed, light control, regeneration, intangibility and uber strength. He's at very least low herald.

Originally posted by Bentley
Let's not exaggerate, Kizaru from OP has genuine faster than light speed, light control, regeneration, intangibility and uber strength. He's at very least low herald.

Originally posted by NemeBro
How the **** do you see him messing Hulk up? 😐

Are you mentally one of the unfortunate, or just an incredible troll?

They're shooting nukes easily? O RLY? Ichigo's attack in his H2 form was the level of a low-yield nuke, and Yamamto's supposed blast power and durability are only small-city level, if a little beyond. Pure concrete? Wow that's amazing, Juggernaut can plough through concrete and can physically rival Thor, who has feats such as overpowering the Midgar Serpent, whom was wrapped around the Earth. 300 tons? When was this?

Juggernaut would crush any Bleach character, he would paste them with a single attack, and they could do him no harm, their only hope would be a BFR, which even Spiderman has pulled off.

Yeah I can name some anime characters who could solo the entire High Herald list, NONE of whom include anyone from Naruto or Bleach.

Seriously doubting juggy could tag a bleach character though

Yeah, I guess I just typed regeneration thinking about the Ice logia regenerating from being crashed. Logia-level intangibility, control over an element and uber speed are pretty solid reasons for being herald though.

And yeah, Whitebeard is a solid low herald himself.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I have seen Hulk nearly sink the eastern seaboard with a goot step.

I have seen Hulk manipulate entire tectonic plates, while weakened if I recall right.

I have seen Superman fly by a moon and cutting it in half.

People in manga have much more impressive punching feats? Well that all depends on which manga now doesn't it? 😐

Certainly not in Naruto.

World War hulk, basically an amped hulk.

Superman didnt fly by Saturn moon, he flew through it, durability feat.

Destroying mountains with a wave of your hands is just outright impressive if you ask me. You are underating Naruto just like every other anime character that is shown.

Originally posted by NemeBro
How the **** do you see him messing Hulk up? 😐

Are you mentally one of the unfortunate, or just an incredible troll?

They're shooting nukes easily? O RLY? Ichigo's attack in his H2 form was the level of a low-yield nuke, and Yamamto's supposed blast power and durability are only small-city level, if a little beyond. Pure concrete? Wow that's amazing, Juggernaut can plough through concrete and can physically rival Thor, who has feats such as overpowering the Midgar Serpent, whom was wrapped around the Earth. 300 tons? When was this?

Juggernaut would crush any Bleach character, he would paste them with a single attack, and they could do him no harm, their only hope would be a BFR, which even Spiderman has pulled off.

Yeah I can name some anime characters who could solo the entire High Herald list, NONE of whom include anyone from Naruto or Bleach.

Naruto at his Prime would give Hulk a fight. This is the Naruto that is lifting up mountains right and punch 100 ft tall frogs a mile?

I never said that they could harm Juggernaut, Thor is one of the most powerful high heralds and he failed to hurt Juggernaut. The stranger who is almost sky father level failed to hurt Juggernaut so why would I think a naruto character would be able to but Juggernaut isnt one shotting them and thats for sure. Again, if you look at punching power and look at what bleach characters been punched through and what they have taken, they are not falling in one shot.

I never said Naruto nor bleach can solo the high herald peeps.

...btw, the 300 ton feat Carver mentioned, happened in the fight against Pein. A building-sized rock got dropped on the Kyuubi... it shrugged it off and wasn't hurt at all.

EDIT: Juggs would never be able to touch a 'Bleach' character, so i dunno how he'd one shot them. A bleach character could most certainly restrain Juggs though.

Originally posted by marwash22
yeah, that's a pretty large leap to take. 'Bleach' has a legitimate Skyfather contender in Orihime.

In THEORY she could be pretty powerful, in PRACTICE she is nothing more than the designated damsel-in-distress. At her best moments she is the healer, in combat she sucks ass.

Let me illustrate the difference between Orohime and a Skyfather for you.

I nominated a character for Skyfather in this thread. The character Pyron from Darkstalkers.

Some of Pyron's feats include shrinking constellations of stars from space and teleporting them to his person to be used as methods of attack, at his full size being able to dwarf the Andromeda galaxy, and actually having his own galaxy of planets he assimilated into himself orbiting him that is four times the size of the Milky Way.

Can Orohime do anything even rivaling that?

Skyfathers are characters like Odin, Orohime, while having a potentially powerful move-set, works on much too small a scale.

Originally posted by amnesia
Seriously doubting juggy could tag a bleach character though

Originally posted by marwash22
...btw, the 300 ton feat Carver mentioned, happened in the fight against Pein. A building-sized rock got dropped on the Kyuubi... it shrugged it off and wasn't hurt at all.

I'm not talking about that but that is a good scene. I'm referring to the scene where ichigo first got his mask and he was pinned by 4 large column while laying down and he lifted the columns off of him. This was during his first or second transformation when he was being taught on how to control his transformation.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hahahahahahaha wut?

In THEORY she could be pretty powerful, in PRACTICE she is nothing more than the designated damsel-in-distress. At her best moments she is the healer, in combat she sucks ass.

Let me illustrate the difference between Orohime and a Skyfather for you.

I nominated a character for Skyfather in this thread. The character Pyron from Darkstalkers.

Some of Pyron's feats include shrinking constellations of stars from space and teleporting them to his person to be used as methods of attack, at his full size being able to dwarf the Andromeda galaxy, and actually having his own galaxy of planets he assimilated into himself orbiting him that is four times the size of the Milky Way.

Can Orohime do anything even rivaling that?

Skyfathers are characters like Odin, Orohime, while having a potentially powerful move-set, works on much too small a scale.

You are getting skyfather mixed up with Galactus level peeps. Pyron is easily on Galactus level and he would STOMP Odin.

I agree though, she isnt skyfather, especially durability wise.

Originally posted by carver9
World War hulk, basically an amped hulk.

Superman didnt fly by Saturn moon, he flew through it, durability feat.

Destroying mountains with a wave of your hands is just outright impressive if you ask me. You are underating Naruto just like every other anime character that is shown.

2. Check the scan, his flight-line or whatever you want to call it was right at the edge.

You are aware that force is velocity x mass, correct? Superman moving his fist at such a speed would obviously destroy at the very least a mountain.

3. And Kyuubi has never done it so this has no relevance. 😐 Was one of its tails that was allegedly able to do so, funny how weak it was when it was actually fought. I know more about Naruto, and most anime, than you ever will.