Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by jalek moye
Not really, wizard writing a short story of Goku beating Superman isn't canon so it doesnt matter. Just like a what if where Punisher killed all of the marvel universe isn't canon so it doesnt count as a feat. It also isnt any more valid then Greg Pak writing a story of Hulk beating galactus but it not actually beign acomic.

I named those characters because you said that no one but surfer has busted planets.

I agree with everything you said but I was just saying what I was saying because DC also agrees that Goku is>>>>Superman even though the fight was none cannon and they didnt might Wizard publishing a book where black hair Goku was too fast for Supes and Super Saiyan Goku one shotting Supes.

What ifs... anything can happen in a what if... what if are like bizarro comics.

What ifs are also allowed by the company same as the wizard fight, i'm saying neither prove anything at all. Whoever aproved that story thinking that Goku > superman doesnt mean that DC as a whole does (as evidenced by different writers making people different levels of power) and doesnt mean that its actually useable for either Goku or superman.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
That was confusing...and no he didn't do it with one finger.

IIRC freiza was in space above planet vegeta and a bunch of sayians were watching him.Freiza then(for reasons I forget)started making a giant ball of energy while laughing hysterically then after about a minute of charging threw it down and blew it up.

I dont see any charging and my bad for the confusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsF-fSodstQ

Originally posted by jalek moye
What ifs are also allowed by the company same as the wizard fight, i'm saying neither prove anything at all. Whoever aproved that story thinking that Goku > superman doesnt mean that DC as a whole does (as evidenced by different writers making people different levels of power) and doesnt mean that its actually useable for either Goku or superman.

I get your point. I just think its one of the only things that we can use since it is the only source of a fight that we will ever get out of the two. Everything that is written with the two will ALWAYS be none cannon because they are from different universes.

Originally posted by Bentley
That blast wasn't meant to destroy the buildings though, it could've been much stronger than it would seem by collateral damage.

I agree but that still doesnt change the fact that Nappa blast>>>that blast. Nappa blast whipped everything clean. There wasnt even a piece of iron in the dirt, everything was melted and disintegrated.

And will also depend on the writer of said fight, like say Omega Vison and you both become writers for Dc and write a comic of it. I'm sure the fight would go completely different but Dc would probably publish either one. When something is non canon the editors care a lot less about it in general. I'm saying that it doesnt reresent the belief that DC comis agress that goku >>>>> superman

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but that still doesnt change the fact that Nappa blast>>>that blast. Nappa blast whipped everything clean. There wasnt even a piece of iron in the dirt, everything was melted and disintegrated.

So the blast being selective makes it less powerful?

Originally posted by Bentley
So the blast being selective makes it less powerful?

NNNOOOO, the site of the damage makes it less powerful. Nappa blast was seen in space plain and clear.

The destruction of the blast makes it much more powerful. There was nothing left, no buildings, people, iron, bones, nothing, it destroyed EVERYTHING.

The vicinity of the blast, it covered the entire area and more land.

There is nothing that is shown in that scan of Thor and Wonderman that helps your argument of that blast being powerful.

As for this post that you said a couple of post back (dont know how to quote).

"Destroying Galaxies is a fine feat, but I'd like to insist in the fact that the most important requirement to be in high in tiers its versatility, galaxy scope is where most herald levelers work. That's the only reason I rate DB characters as heralds instead of trans."

If that is the case, people like Black Adam and Captain Marvel shouldnt be listed as high heralds along with Superman, Gladiator. Superman has heat vision and ice breath as energy output; even though he used it in different fashions, going by your statement, it still shouldnt make his versatility anywhere close to the people that are in the high herald tier.

Originally posted by carver9
Frieza was in his first form when he destroyed planet Vegeta. Frieza had numerous of transformations after this. Frieza then transform to his final form (after the big head form) and fight Goku and then states and proves that during his final transformation he was fighting Goku with 1% of his power. Now remember, the form that destroy planet Vegeta is<<<<<<<the frieza that Goku fought that was only using 1% of his power. Then frieza boosted his power up to 50% and destroyed Goku.

So again, the frieza that first fought Goku was using 1% of his final form power. The frieza that was using 1% of his power is>>>>>>>>the frieza that destroyed planet Vegeta with just one finger.

You get it. 🙄

IIRC 1. 250.000, 2. 500.000, 3. 1.000.000, 4. 2.000.000

BTW I'm pretty much agreeing with you here with the DBZ characters, the only thing why I don't help you out is that it still seems that people don't want toaccept the "ABC system".

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with everything you said but I was just saying what I was saying because DC also agrees that Goku is>>>>Superman even though the fight was none cannon and they didnt might Wizard publishing a book where black hair Goku was too fast for Supes and Super Saiyan Goku one shotting Supes.

What ifs... anything can happen in a what if... what if are like bizarro comics.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I know about the transforms and it was stated that every change doubles his former strength level, I just can't remember anything about a 1% mention.

IIRC 1. 250.000, 2. 500.000, 3. 1.000.000, 4. 2.000.000

BTW I'm pretty much agreeing with you here with the DBZ characters, the only thing why I don't help you out is that it still seems that people don't want toaccept the "ABC system".

Start at 3 min and 10 sec. He only used one percent of his power and that form of frieza is >>>>>>>>all the forms before it and dont forget, during this 1% he split the planet namek in half with one finger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dg9PzvUD8&feature=related

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Any DC writer that signs off on black hair Goku one shotting Superman (with his at best base line Class 100 strength no less) doesn't deserve to write comics.

I agree with this, I dont think black hair Goku can one shot Supes. It was Super Saiyan Goku that one shotted him.

Originally posted by carver9
NNNOOOO, the site of the damage makes it less powerful. Nappa blast was seen in space plain and clear.

The destruction of the blast makes it much more powerful. There was nothing left, no buildings, people, iron, bones, nothing, it destroyed EVERYTHING.

The vicinity of the blast, it covered the entire area and more land.

There is nothing that is shown in that scan of Thor and Wonderman that helps your argument of that blast being powerful.

As for this post that you said a couple of post back (dont know how to quote).

"Destroying Galaxies is a fine feat, but I'd like to insist in the fact that the most important requirement to be in high in tiers its versatility, galaxy scope is where most herald levelers work. That's the only reason I rate DB characters as heralds instead of trans."

If that is the case, people like Black Adam and Captain Marvel shouldnt be listed as high heralds along with Superman, Gladiator. Superman has heat vision and ice breath as energy output; even though he used it in different fashions, going by your statement, it still shouldnt make his versatility anywhere close to the people that are in the high herald tier.

The blast was made NOT to destroy buildings, so it didn't destroy them. I don't see why collateral damage is important to messure damage when the blast was made NOT to cause collateral damage.

Well, Superman is quite versatile himself, remember he can vibrate to solid matter, use hypnosis, he made a song to beat Darkseid, he has a healing factor, microscopic vision, invulnerability, super hearing, inmunity to disease and several of his powers have variations of those abilities (I think heat vision can pinpoint atoms or s*it like that). Its misleading to think Superman is just a flying brick.

I don't really know why Captain Marvel and BA are there, but I'm no expert in the characters.

Originally posted by Bentley
The blast was made NOT to destroy buildings, so it didn't destroy them. I don't see why collateral damage is important to messure damage when the blast was made NOT to cause collateral damage.

Well, Superman is quite versatile himself, remember he can vibrate to solid matter, use hypnosis, he made a song to beat Darkseid, he has a healing factor, microscopic vision, invulnerability, super hearing, inmunity to disease and several of his powers have variations of those abilities (I think heat vision can pinpoint atoms or s*it like that). Its misleading to think Superman is just a flying brick.

I don't really know why Captain Marvel and BA are there, but I'm no expert in the characters.

It leveled everything around it and that was what it was meant for, to destroy and it did just that but again, not in the fashion of Nappas blast.

I agree, he is versatile and majority of the things that you named are one time feats. When it comes to output of power he only has heat vision and ice breath. The rules state that a character have to use an ability 3 times for it be called an ability for a character.

Black Adam and Captain Marvel are his peers so I see no reason on why they shouldnt be right with him. I dont see anything wrong with Superman being in the high herald tier along with the other two that I have named because they have earned it and it is more than just versatility, its pure power. Even though frieza have destroyed planets and split planets in half and created nuke like punches along with shock waves, along with lifting a island up with his mind along with every other thing that he have done, he wouldnt even put an scratch on brolly or take a smile off brolly face whereas a planet destroy attack would either damage or outright kill some high heralds.

@ Bentley

are you talking about Supes, or PC Supes?

Originally posted by carver9
I dont see any charging and my bad for the confusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsF-fSodstQ

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I know about the transforms and it was stated that every change doubles his former strength level, I just can't remember anything about a 1% mention.

IIRC 1. 250.000, 2. 500.000, 3. 1.000.000, 4. 2.000.000

BTW I'm pretty much agreeing with you here with the DBZ characters, the only thing why I don't help you out is that it still seems that people don't want toaccept the "ABC system".

Originally posted by carver9
NNNOOOO, the site of the damage makes it less powerful. Nappa blast was seen in space plain and clear.

The destruction of the blast makes it much more powerful. There was nothing left, no buildings, people, iron, bones, nothing, it destroyed EVERYTHING.

The vicinity of the blast, it covered the entire area and more land.

There is nothing that is shown in that scan of Thor and Wonderman that helps your argument of that blast being powerful.

As for this post that you said a couple of post back (dont know how to quote).

"Destroying Galaxies is a fine feat, but I'd like to insist in the fact that the most important requirement to be in high in tiers its versatility, galaxy scope is where most herald levelers work. That's the only reason I rate DB characters as heralds instead of trans."

If that is the case, people like Black Adam and Captain Marvel shouldnt be listed as high heralds along with Superman, Gladiator. Superman has heat vision and ice breath as energy output; even though he used it in different fashions, going by your statement, it still shouldnt make his versatility anywhere close to the people that are in the high herald tier.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
That was clearly charging. I remember that freiza form 2 said his power level was over 1M so that is wrong. Well there was stuff left.I am sure of that as I watched it yesterday.But Nappa easily exploded all of east city and some of the mountain range around it with two fingers.He didn't even look tired.

This is much bigger than what you are making it and the city was whipped clean, it look desert like.

This is much more than a city level blast. Look at how it look outside of earth. That blast alone would mess a high herald up and again, Nappa wasnt even trying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeA0rawalYk

Originally posted by marwash22
@ Bentley

are you talking about Supes, or PC Supes?

I am talking about current Supes.

@Carver: Superman has used intangibility and many of the skills I named several times.

And about the blast, Simon, who felt it directly was surprised it didn't affect buildings:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Kang%20the%20Conqueror/Spoilsofwar1.jpg

Broli destroyed a galaxy, but power output to destroy planets doesn't necessarily mean you can put down a herald. Let's rememeber that Nova survived a star system-destroying blast and he's not even among the strongest heralds.

Originally posted by Bentley
I am talking about current Supes.

@Carver: Superman has used intangibility and many of the skills I named several times.

And about the blast, Simon, who felt it directly was surprised it didn't affect buildings:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Kang%20the%20Conqueror/Spoilsofwar1.jpg

Broli destroyed a galaxy, but power output to destroy planets doesn't necessarily mean you can put down a herald. Let's rememeber that Nova survived a star system-destroying blast and he's not even among the strongest heralds.

Nova was shielded when he tanked that blast and he also shielded others.

There are mid heralds that are more versatile than Supes but Supes is above them because he can whip that a**. Its not all about versatility.

Simon felt the blunt impact of the blast, that is why he is surprised the building wasnt affected that much even though it was.

What high herald been hit with a planet destroying BLAST and tanked it?

Originally posted by carver9
Nova was shielded when he tanked that blast and he also shielded others.

There are mid heralds that are more versatile than Supes but Supes is above them because he can whip that a**. Its not all about versatility.

Simon felt the blunt impact of the blast, that is why he is surprised the building wasnt affected that much even though it was.

What high herald been hit with a planet destroying BLAST and tanked it?

Simon felt the impact and judged it would've destroyed the buildings, its clear considering how durable Simon is and how little the buildings were damaged, with that, its safe to say the blast was a selective one not a "destroy everything" one. Again, you just cannot compare with Nappa's blast.

Nova shielded himself, but those are herald level powers, which means a herald can hang with those levels of destructive outputs.

Surfer has tanked planet destroying blasts to no ill effect:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/568/korvacagsurferpn1.jpg