Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Bentley
Carver, I'll just address the points I care to discuss:

Lack of versatility for one.

Krillin threw a rock at Goku when he was turned into a super saiyan and he hurt him, most of DB character's durability is active, just as shielding is for Nova.

Ok, so its about versatility? Why is Hulk a low Herald and why is Captain Marvel and Black Adam mid to high heralds. Why is Wonder Woman a mid to high herald.

Come on Bently, you know the rock throwing scene was for laughter. DBZ fighters doesnt have active and inactive durability (shielding).

Yeah, that's him (though a pretty bad drawing of him).

You should be able to download it with subs from PB or Demonoid. I think there's clips of his fights online as well.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'd say high to Elite (moreso Elite in Broly's case than Hatchyack) because though Broly did destroy a galaxy I still wouldn't put him in a class with the likes of Odin, and I don't necessarily find him to be more powerful than Surfer. Sure, he's insanely destructive (as is Kid Buu), but to me he's in the same boat as Superman. That boat being sure Supes is high herald but he doesn't have the range of abilities that a Thor, Genis, or Surfer do, so he's not quite there even if he could win a fight. He's more or less pretty one dimensional, though that dimension is highly potent.

So again, its all about versatility. If thats the case you all need to change the list.

I think Hulk's more Elite Meta than Herald, but that's me. Hulk really can't do anything but punch stuff. At least Juggernaut has shields and rarely used projectile attacks.

Captain Marvel and Black Adam, on the other hand, do have a wide range of mystical powers, but tend to simply punch and zap things.

That being said, this is for non comic debate only. The comic tier is out of my jurisdiction.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hatchyack is a character from a DBZ OVA (kinda like Jenemba). He was created via technology and a manifestation of hateful spirit towards Saiyins. Dude was hardcore. It took the same attack that killed Broly (3 Kamehamehas) plus Vegeta's Galactic Gun to kill him.

What is dragonball AF?

Originally posted by Estacado
Didnt they overpower hatchyak's attack?
While Broly was easily more powerful then Gohan Goten and Goku combined...he only lost cause Trunks was able to stop him from pushing his energy ball..

It's been a minute since I've watched it, so you could be right. From what I do remember clearly though Hatchyack was throwin' bows on all of those cats at the same time, then after a bit of a beating, Goku rallied the troops like he did vs. Broly and they all fired their attacks at him. I think he sent out a counter blast against the combo attack that was overpowered and he was destroyed.

^ some bullshit fanfiction that doesn't really exist. It's a mythical place where SS5 rules the universe.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What is dragonball AF?

Not sure. Did a Google search and they said it's a rumored new series.

What is Dragonball AF? Dragonball AF is supposedly a new Dragonball series being developed in Japan. However, FUNimation wants fans to know from the official source that Dragonball GT is the last series and neither AF nor V exist. As far as we know, and Toei has confirmed this matter, there are no future plans for any continuance of the Dragonball series beyond GT. But we have heard from multiple people that Fans are making a comic called Dragonball AF and FUNimation or Toei has nothing to do with it. Whether or not it really exists or ever will, it's still fun to think about, because of this I've compiled several sections for your enjoyment.

Originally posted by marwash22
^ some bullshit fanfiction that doesn't really exist. It's a mythical place where SS5 rules the universe.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Not sure. Did a Google search and they said it's a rumored new series.

Originally posted by illadelph12
It's been a minute since I've watched it, so you could be right. From what I do remember clearly though Hatchyack was throwin' bows on all of those cats at the same time, then after a bit of a beating, Goku rallied the troops like he did vs. Broly and they all fired their attacks at him. I think he sent out a counter blast against the combo attack that was overpowered and he was destroyed.

It says AF is just a series that doesn't exist but if it doesn't someone has put a lot of work into making pictures for it.

And is this scene like the last episode of GT?

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(Current Established Standings)

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent):
Z,

Herald

High:
KOS-MOS (Full Power), Son Goku (SSJ4), Nono Diebuster

Middle:
Dante (DMC - Sparda Form), Popeye (w/Spinach)

Low
Ganondorf, Kratos, Son Goku, Darth Nihilus, Sephiroth, Mew-Two

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High:
Happosai, Samus Aran, Kenshiro, Mega Man

Middle:
Popeye (w/o Spinach), Link, Itachi Uchiha, Kain, Seras, Harry Potter , Alex Mercer , Goku (Base Form), Dante (DMC)

Low:
K', Ranma Saotome, Ryouga Hibiki, Ryu Hayabasa, Vash the Stampede, Rurouni Kenshin

Street Level

High:
Spike Spiegel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Brock Sampson, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel

Middle:
Chewbacca, Teal'c (Stargate SG1)

Low:
Sly Cooper

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(Votes/Still in discussion)

Skyfather:
Dark Schneider (1), Kevin Uxbridge (the Dowud) (2)

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent):
Dark Schneider (1) , KOS MOS (2), Ideon (1), Belldandy (1), Pyron (1), Sargeras (1), Cthulhu (1), Orihime Inoue (Bleach) (1),

Elite Herald:
Broly (1), Hatchyack (1), Frieza (1), Perfect Cell (1)

High Herald:
KOS MOS (3)*, Alucard (1), Kain from Legacy of Kain (1) Dark Scneider (1), Pyron (2), Guyver Dreadnaught (1), Nono Diebuster (4)*, Naruto(1)

Disputes: Alucard (1), Kain (1),

Mid Herald:
Alucard (1), Kelthuzad (1), Kain from Legacy of Kain (2), Lina Inaverse (1), Anubis and Jehuty (1), Aku (1), Voltron [Lionforce](1), Illyria [Full Power](1), Neo (2) Nappa (1), Goku (1), Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (1), Broly (1)

Disputes: Voltron (2), Alucard (1), Kain (1), Kenshiro, Kel'Thuzad (1), Neo (1), Nappa (1), Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (2)

Low Herald:
Alucard (1), Darth Nihilus (3)*, Ganondorf (3)*, Gouki (1, Kratos (3)*, KOS MOS (Weakest)(2), ), Mega Man (1), Rugal Bernstein (1), Master Asia (2), Sephiroth (3)*, SDF-1 (Macross)(1), Hancock(1), Kenshiro (2), Adria [SG1](1), Lucy (Elfen Lied) (1), Mr Selactia (1), Lich King (1), Mew-Two (5)*, Dark Samus (2), Edward Elric (1), Akira (2),

Disputes: Mega Man (2), Kenshiro (2), Alucard (1)

Elite Meta:
Archimonde [Warcraft III](1), Megaman X (1), Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (1), Tekkaman Blade (2)

High Meta:
Sora [Kingdom Hearts](2), Cutie Honey (1), Rugal Bernstein (1), Aizen Sousuke (2), Mega Man (4)*, Naruto (2), Gouki (2), Sephiroth (2), Hayabusa (all equip) (1), Naruto (1), Master Asia (2). Dante (DMC) (1), Samus (3)*, Guyver (2), Crocodile (2), Dio Brando (1), K' (1), Kain(1), Skull Knight (2), Veritech Fighter (Macross)(1), Rob Lucci (1), Kenshiro (3)*, Alucard (1), The Beast(2), Glorificus (1), Shao Khan (1), Aang (Avatar State)(1), Raiden (1), Walter Dornez (1), Neo (1), Rand Al'Thor (1), Illidan Stormrage (1), Galvatron (2), Megaman (1), Finn (Adventure Time) (1),

Disputes: Naruto (2), Against K (1), Samus Aran (1), Walter Dornez (1)

Mid Meta:
Legato (2), Seras (3)*, Cutie Honey (1), Aizen Sousuke (1), Sephiroth, (1), Mega Man (2), Link (4)*, Alucard (2), Ryu Hayabusa (1) Naruto (2) K' (1), Itachi Uchiha (3)*, Dante (DMC)(3)*, Alita (2), Recca (1), Kain (3)*, Goku (Base Form)(3)*, Agent (Crackdown, Max Stats)(1), Mr. Incredible (2), Master Chief (1), Samus Aran (1), Hercules [Disney](1), Mace Windu (1)[Change], Paladin Anderson (1)[Change], Illyria(1), Alex Mercer(4)*, Harry Potter (3)*, Hans Gunsche (1), Firelord Ozai (1), Kel'Thuzad (1), Kessler (2), Inuyasha (1), Sing (1), The Beast (1), Edward Elric (1)

Disputes: Alucard (1), Alex Mercer (1), Goku (base form) (1)

Low Meta:
Ryu Hayabusa (3)*, Alita (BAA) (1), Vash the Stampede (3)*, K' (4)* , Gara (BASTARD!!) (1), Dune Freman (1), Ed (FMA)(2), Killua (1), Caerula Sanquis (1), Kenshiro (2), Afro Samurai (2), Rurouni Kenshin (3)*, Master Chief (2), Paladin Anderson (1), Samurai Jack (1), Kull Warriors (SG1) (1), Mace Windu (1) , Lu Bu (2), Makoto Shishio (2), Caerula (1), Edward Elric (1), Alex Mercer (2), Jason Vorhees (2), Sing (1), Phantom Limb (1), Thrall (1), Space Ghost (2), Mario (2), Bowser (2), Guts (1), Batou (1), Motoko Kusanagi (GITS)(1)

Disputes: Alex Mercer (1)

Elite Street:
Brock Samson (1)

High Street:
Spike Spiegel (5)*, Cyrano d’Begerac (2), Dune Sardaukar (1), Lone Wolf and Cub (1), Dune Fremen (1), Data (2), Boba Fett (1), Brock Sampson (3)*, Jubei [Ninja Scroll] (1), Buffy the Vampire Slayer (3)*, Angel(3)*, Spike (2), Boba Fett(1), Sgt. Cortez [Timesplitters](1), Bushido Brown (1), Molotov Cocktease (1), Black Mask (1), Kurgan (Highlander) (1),

Mid Street:
Chewbacca (3)*, Worf (2), D’Artagnian (2), El Zorro (2), Alan Quartermain (2), Dune Sardaukar (1), Teal'c (1), Charles Gunn(1), Charles Foster Offdensen [DethKlok](1), Athos (1), Porthos (1), Aramis (1), Ronon Dex (1), Huey Freeman (1), Teal'c (Stargate SG1) (3)*

Low Street:
Lone Ranger (1), Athos (2), Porthos (2), Aramis (2), Blondie (1), Sly Cooper (3)*

Disputes: Three Musketeers (1)

Notes:

* = Enough votes for placement (3+)

I seriously suggest moving Goku SS4 above high herald.IMO the max SS2 is high herald.

I'd call Goku SS2 like mid-high skyfather.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I think Hulk's more Elite Meta than Herald, but that's me. Hulk really can't do anything but punch stuff. At least Juggernaut has shields and rarely used projectile attacks.

Captain Marvel and Black Adam, on the other hand, do have a wide range of mystical powers, but tend to simply punch and zap things.

That being said, this is for non comic debate only. The comic tier is out of my jurisdiction.

Well that is what I am basing all my judgements from, no reason to do it any different than how our tier is.

Captain Marvel and Adam are limited to their versatility; they dont have a wide array of powers just like Wonder Woman doesnt.

Always wondered how powerful would Broly become if he would have entered the hyperbolic timechamber....

Originally posted by illadelph12
(Current Established Standings)

[b]Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent):
Z,

Herald

High:
KOS-MOS (Full Power), Son Goku (SSJ4), Nono Diebuster

Middle:
Dante (DMC - Sparda Form), Popeye (w/Spinach)

Low
Ganondorf, Kratos, Son Goku, Darth Nihilus, Sephiroth, Mew-Two

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High:
Happosai, Samus Aran, Kenshiro, Mega Man

Middle:
Popeye (w/o Spinach), Link, Itachi Uchiha, Kain, Seras, Harry Potter , Alex Mercer , Goku (Base Form), Dante (DMC)

Low:
K', Ranma Saotome, Ryouga Hibiki, Ryu Hayabasa, Vash the Stampede, Rurouni Kenshin

Street Level

High:
Spike Spiegel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Brock Sampson, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel

Middle:
Chewbacca, Teal'c (Stargate SG1)

Low:
Sly Cooper

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(Votes/Still in discussion)

Skyfather:
Dark Schneider (1), Kevin Uxbridge (the Dowud) (2)

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent):
Dark Schneider (1) , KOS MOS (2), Ideon (1), Belldandy (1), Pyron (1), Sargeras (1), Cthulhu (1), Orihime Inoue (Bleach) (1),

Elite Herald:
Broly (1), Hatchyack (1), Frieza (1), Perfect Cell (1)

High Herald:
KOS MOS (3)*, Alucard (1), Kain from Legacy of Kain (1) Dark Scneider (1), Pyron (2), Guyver Dreadnaught (1), Nono Diebuster (4)*, Naruto(1)

Disputes: Alucard (1), Kain (1),

Mid Herald:
Alucard (1), Kelthuzad (1), Kain from Legacy of Kain (2), Lina Inaverse (1), Anubis and Jehuty (1), Aku (1), Voltron [Lionforce](1), Illyria [Full Power](1), Neo (2) Nappa (1), Goku (1), Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (1), Broly (1)

Disputes: Voltron (2), Alucard (1), Kain (1), Kenshiro, Kel'Thuzad (1), Neo (1), Nappa (1), Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (2)

Low Herald:
Alucard (1), Darth Nihilus (3)*, Ganondorf (3)*, Gouki (1, Kratos (3)*, KOS MOS (Weakest)(2), ), Mega Man (1), Rugal Bernstein (1), Master Asia (2), Sephiroth (3)*, SDF-1 (Macross)(1), Hancock(1), Kenshiro (2), Adria [SG1](1), Lucy (Elfen Lied) (1), Mr Selactia (1), Lich King (1), Mew-Two (5)*, Dark Samus (2), Edward Elric (1), Akira (2),

Disputes: Mega Man (2), Kenshiro (2), Alucard (1)

Elite Meta:
Archimonde [Warcraft III](1), Megaman X (1), Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (1), Tekkaman Blade (2)

High Meta:
Sora [Kingdom Hearts](2), Cutie Honey (1), Rugal Bernstein (1), Aizen Sousuke (2), Mega Man (4)*, Naruto (2), Gouki (2), Sephiroth (2), Hayabusa (all equip) (1), Naruto (1), Master Asia (2). Dante (DMC) (1), Samus (3)*, Guyver (2), Crocodile (2), Dio Brando (1), K' (1), Kain(1), Skull Knight (2), Veritech Fighter (Macross)(1), Rob Lucci (1), Kenshiro (3)*, Alucard (1), The Beast(2), Glorificus (1), Shao Khan (1), Aang (Avatar State)(1), Raiden (1), Walter Dornez (1), Neo (1), Rand Al'Thor (1), Illidan Stormrage (1), Galvatron (2), Megaman (1), Finn (Adventure Time) (1),

Disputes: Naruto (2), Against K (1), Samus Aran (1), Walter Dornez (1)

Mid Meta:
Legato (2), Seras (3)*, Cutie Honey (1), Aizen Sousuke (1), Sephiroth, (1), Mega Man (2), Link (4)*, Alucard (2), Ryu Hayabusa (1) Naruto (2) K' (1), Itachi Uchiha (3)*, Dante (DMC)(3)*, Alita (2), Recca (1), Kain (3)*, Goku (Base Form)(3)*, Agent (Crackdown, Max Stats)(1), Mr. Incredible (2), Master Chief (1), Samus Aran (1), Hercules [Disney](1), Mace Windu (1)[Change], Paladin Anderson (1)[Change], Illyria(1), Alex Mercer(4)*, Harry Potter (3)*, Hans Gunsche (1), Firelord Ozai (1), Kel'Thuzad (1), Kessler (2), Inuyasha (1), Sing (1), The Beast (1), Edward Elric (1)

Disputes: Alucard (1), Alex Mercer (1), Goku (base form) (1)

Low Meta:
Ryu Hayabusa (3)*, Alita (BAA) (1), Vash the Stampede (3)*, K' (4)* , Gara (BASTARD!!) (1), Dune Freman (1), Ed (FMA)(2), Killua (1), Caerula Sanquis (1), Kenshiro (2), Afro Samurai (2), Rurouni Kenshin (3)*, Master Chief (2), Paladin Anderson (1), Samurai Jack (1), Kull Warriors (SG1) (1), Mace Windu (1) , Lu Bu (2), Makoto Shishio (2), Caerula (1), Edward Elric (1), Alex Mercer (2), Jason Vorhees (2), Sing (1), Phantom Limb (1), Thrall (1), Space Ghost (2), Mario (2), Bowser (2), Guts (1), Batou (1), Motoko Kusanagi (GITS)(1)

Disputes: Alex Mercer (1)

Elite Street:
Brock Samson (1)

High Street:
Spike Spiegel (5)*, Cyrano d’Begerac (2), Dune Sardaukar (1), Lone Wolf and Cub (1), Dune Fremen (1), Data (2), Boba Fett (1), Brock Sampson (3)*, Jubei [Ninja Scroll] (1), Buffy the Vampire Slayer (3)*, Angel(3)*, Spike (2), Boba Fett(1), Sgt. Cortez [Timesplitters](1), Bushido Brown (1), Molotov Cocktease (1), Black Mask (1), Kurgan (Highlander) (1),

Mid Street:
Chewbacca (3)*, Worf (2), D’Artagnian (2), El Zorro (2), Alan Quartermain (2), Dune Sardaukar (1), Teal'c (1), Charles Gunn(1), Charles Foster Offdensen [DethKlok](1), Athos (1), Porthos (1), Aramis (1), Ronon Dex (1), Huey Freeman (1), Teal'c (Stargate SG1) (3)*

Low Street:
Lone Ranger (1), Athos (2), Porthos (2), Aramis (2), Blondie (1), Sly Cooper (3)*

Disputes: Three Musketeers (1)

Notes:

* = Enough votes for placement (3+) [/B]

How is Nappa in a league with Brolly and Goku?

Your list is jacked.

And why is Base form Goku in Ironman league when Goku as a child would stomp Ironman and Namor together, teamed up?

I'm trying so hard to understand you Illa

Originally posted by Estacado
Always wondered how powerful would Broly become if he would have entered the hyperbolic timechamber....

From what was shown of broly, he really didnt have a cap on his power. He was growing stronger by the second. He didnt need to go into the hyperbolic time chamber to get stronger.

I wonder how strong he would have been if he ever went Super Saiyan 2.

Originally posted by carver9
How is Nappa in a league with Brolly and Goku?

Your list is jacked.

And why is Base form Goku in Ironman league when Goku as a child would stomp Ironman and Namor together, teamed up?

I'm try so hard to understand you Illa

He puts what people vote for, not what he wants

Originally posted by jalek moye
He puts what people vote for, not what he wants

I havent seen anyone vote for that though, Ironman and Goku=hell no. Brolly and Nappa as equals...NO.

His list is JACKED and again Broly alone can solo the entire JLA and Avengers teamed up against him and he'll win so why is he a Mid Herald?