Imo his transformation should be different then ssj1,2,3
It should be another class cause his hair is more like green then yellow has now pupils becomes large as hell but unlike ussj he doesnt lose speed and he simply cant run out of ki thats why he just keeps blasting all the time...also he has a shield..
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, so its about versatility? Why is Hulk a low Herald and why is Captain Marvel and Black Adam mid to high heralds. Why is Wonder Woman a mid to high herald.Come on Bently, you know the rock throwing scene was for laughter. DBZ fighters doesnt have active and inactive durability (shielding).
WW has sky-father level equipment, an indestructible shield and other stupid stuff, Hulk has a potentially limitless strength in pretty much every incarnation, a crazy healing factor and is -mostly for PIS reasons- inmune to Tp and highly resistant to magic. Wonder Woman is arguably more powerful than Superman thanks to equipment, and stupid fast, she survived being punched on orbit and stuff, Hulk's high end feats are quite solid though. I think Saiyan Saga Vegetta is low herald, so I admit Hulk being low herald too, since he can destroy a planet and has many skill. Still, I'm not trying to justify every pressence in the tier thread, I try to judge manga/anime characters using the exact same tools that were used to messure the comic tiers.
About the active/inactive durability thing, that was the first exemple that came to mind, I recall believeing there were others but I can't name them from the top off my head. I'll post if I recall another instance. (Maybe some where a character spend too much energy fighting and then a lower character gives them trouble because they're weakened, if durability was a passive ability, they wouldn't need ki to tank hits).
Edit: However, some characters such as Buu and Cell possess some passive durability.
Originally posted by Bentley
WW has sky-father level equipment, an indestructible shield and other stupid stuff, Hulk has a potentially limitless strength in pretty much every incarnation, a crazy healing factor and is -mostly for PIS reasons- inmune to Tp and highly resistant to magic. Wonder Woman is arguably more powerful than Superman thanks to equipment, and stupid fast, she survived being punched on orbit and stuff, Hulk's high end feats are quite solid though. I think Saiyan Saga Vegetta is low herald, so I admit Hulk being low herald too, since he can destroy a planet and has many skill. Still, I'm not trying to justify every pressence in the tier thread, I try to judge manga/anime characters using the exact same tools that were used to messure the comic tiers.About the active/inactive durability thing, that was the first exemple that came to mind, I recall believeing there were others but I can't name them from the top off my head. I'll post if I recall another instance. (Maybe some where a character spend too much energy fighting and then a lower character gives them trouble because they're weakened, if durability was a passive ability, they wouldn't need ki to tank hits).
Edit: However, some characters such as Buu and Cell possess some passive durability.
I'm referring to standard Wonder Woman, she is mid to high herald and that Wonder Woman only possess a lasso.
No matter what Hulk has done, he is still one dimensional so why is he a low herald.
How can Nappa be a low to mid herald but Broly is only a high herald when overall Broly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nappa?
Re: Re: 7/5/10 Update
Originally posted by carver9
How is Nappa in a league with Brolly and Goku?Your list is jacked.
And why is Base form Goku in Ironman league when Goku as a child would stomp Ironman and Namor together, teamed up?
I'm trying so hard to understand you Illa
If you'd take a moment to breathe and look back through the thread you'd understand the list. This is only the current vote tally, not my personal view. I'm just organizing it.
Also, if you'll notice, my personal nominations for Broly, etc are in the Elite Herald tier, not Mid Herald. That was someone else.
Calm down homie.
Originally posted by carver9No way is nappa mid herald.Hes low herald at best and high mets would be the best rating for him.
How is Nappa in a league with Brolly and Goku?Your list is jacked.
And why is Base form Goku in Ironman league when Goku as a child would stomp Ironman and Namor together, teamed up?
I'm trying so hard to understand you Illa
Originally posted by carver9Thor 😖hifty:
I havent seen anyone vote for that though, Ironman and Goku=hell no. Brolly and Nappa as equals...NO.His list is JACKED and again Broly alone can solo the entire JLA and Avengers teamed up against him and he'll win so why is he a Mid Herald?
For:
Galvatron to High Meta
Pyron to Trans
Aizen to Mid Meta
Blondie to Low Street
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Now time for some arguments in favor of a few of my proposals.
Firstly is Archimonde the Defiler from Warcraft III who I believe is Elite Meta.
My reasoning for his placement as an Elite Meta:
Durability:
When the Demigod giant stag Malorne tried to gore him with his horns the stag was unable to even scratch him. And we're talking about a gigantic elk that was able to trample over entire armies of demons.
When he finally died it took the sacrifice of thousands of wisps to take him down and in the process an entire region was destroyed in the explosion, including the enormous World Tree at Hyjal.
Strength:
Him snapping Malorne's neck is a pretty uber feat and judging by his size its safe to say he's at bare minimum in the Class 70 area, most likely Class 100+.
Telekinesis:
He "force crushed" an adult dragon with utter ease.
Destructive power:
He destroyed the city of Dalaran with one spell, a city protected by mighty mystical wards. He can also kill enemies with a ray called the "finger of death" that turns the target inside out.
Now I won't go so far as to say he's Low Herald but he could definitely give a lot of Low Heralds a good fight, maybe even beat some of them.
Ronon Dex is a Satedan warrior from the series Stargate Atlantis. I'm arguing for him to be placed in Mid Street.
My reasoning:
Skill:
He effectively stalemated Teal'c when they met. Considering Teal'c is a Jaffa warrior with Peak Human strength and a hundred years of combat experience that's incredibly impressive.
Strength:
Starting at 5:20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoIGxp8vd58
Steven Caldwell has been infected by a Goa'uld symbiote which in his own words gives him the strength of many men.
Ronon quips: "So it'll be a fair fight."
Also of note is his incredibly high pain threshold which allowed him to be fed upon by a Wraith (an agonizing process) without screaming out in pain, which is the reason he was made a "Runner".
Kevin Uxbridge is a Douwd from the series Star Trek TNG, a member of a race of energy beings with vast psychic powers and a talent for illusions. I believe he should be placed in the Skyfather tier, here is my reasoning:
Raw power:
When the planet he had chose to live on was attacked by a malevolent alien race known as the Husnock the entire colony was annihilated and the people wiped from the planet's surface after a valiant but useless struggle. Kevin could have easily destroyed the Husnock attackers but was constrained by his species's moral code. However when his wife was killed fighting the Husnock Kevin lost control and in his words:
"I didn't kill just one Husnock, or a hundred, or a thousand... I killed them all... all Husnock... everywhere."
With but a single angry thought he annihilated a species that was estimated at 50 billion beings who were scattered across multiple solar systems.
Other powers:
Afterward he used his power to create a sentient construct of his wife who for all intents and purposes was the same woman that had died in the Husnock attack.
When the Enterprise started snooping around his planet he (again with just a thought) created a ship that was able to automatically match or exceed anything the Enterprise could do and force them to retreat.
He also passively mindraped Deana Troi to keep her from discovering the truth with her empathic powers.
The only limit he seemed to have was that he was constrained by conventional space-time (unlike the Q) and had a "true form" unlike the Q. Still aside from his moral code that was his only shown limitation.
Re: Re: Re: 7/5/10 Update
Originally posted by illadelph12
If you'd take a moment to breathe and look back through the thread you'd understand the list. This is only the current vote tally, not my personal view. I'm just organizing it.Also, if you'll notice, my personal nominations for Broly, etc are in the Elite Herald tier, not Mid Herald. That was someone else.
Calm down homie.
LOL, I'm not fussing with you Illa, you are cool with me, never had a problem with you. I'm just trying to debate, want to see why you are putting these said people at this level. Its your opinion, I dont have a problem with that.
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Originally posted by carver9Its not his opinion its other people.He just makes the list.Other posters decide where they go.
LOL, I'm not fussing with you Illa, you are cool with me, never had a problem with you. I'm just trying to debate, want to see why you are putting these said people at this level. Its your opinion, I dont have a problem with that.😄
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Its not his opinion its other people.He just makes the list.Other posters decide where they go.
I know, I'm just saying if he thinks Broly is even on Wolverines level, that is his opinion just like it is my opinion that Broly is above or on Odins level. We all have our own opinion about the characters.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Nappa is probably high meta.IMO who I think the list siad is high meta could bust a city too.I forget did anyone go SS2 while fighting broly or were they all SS1?
This is the high meta list:
"Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx"
Who on this list can beat Nappa? Who on this list have the amount of power out put or speed that nappa has? Who on this list can defeat an entire army like Nappa did without breaking a sweat or getting touched?
None of them are planetary threats like Nappa.
Originally posted by carver9Because you say freiza can beat thanos!!!!Now i'll give you your logic makes sense but its like the IG vs. UN debate.Really good logic can be shown for UN but IG is still far above it.
LOL, why do you think I am up playing DBZ? I gave you feats for my reasoning behind their power level.Honestly, I dont care for SS4, he is lame.
jawdrop
But anyone for highering SS4 goku?
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Because you say freiza can beat thanos!!!!Now i'll give you your logic makes sense but its like the IG vs. UN debate.Really good logic can be shown for UN but IG is still far above it.jawdrop
But anyone for highering SS4 goku?
That is why I am still waiting for you to tell me how Thanos is beating Frieza let alone touching him with a blast or punch.
Originally posted by carver9
That is why I am still waiting for you to tell me how Thanos is beating Frieza let alone touching him with a blast or punch.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
The reason I put him there is because of his strength higher then the likes of thor and drax,he has TP that rivals moondragons,his durability has letten him take surfers strongest blasts like they were nothing,his character lets him kill people,he has easily tangled with people like odin who would decimate super sayians...etc.Thanos would destroy the likes of freiza and take a solid majority against an SS2.An SS3 I would see thanos in an inch of death but winning.I mean...hes thanos.
Although an SS4 would destroy thanos and stalemate Odin.