Darth Nihilus vs. Darth Revan

Nihilus canonically killed an entire world with just a word. He arrived over Katarr and in an instant, everything was dead. Buildings were destroyed, flesh was stripped from bone and the entire planet was an echo in the Force.

Also, as stated by Tobin and shown on the loading screen of KOTOR II, Nihilus pulled the Ravager from the "mass shadoes of Malachor". And Tobin even insists it was a fleet.

It seems pointless to post my entire essay proving why Nihilus is more powerful than Revan. Those two feats will do.

Nihilus, the man who kills all things in his presence and who will destroy the galaxy, against a guy who never even showed 1/3 of his foe's power.

Who wins in a Force fight? Going by evidence? Not conjecture or theories based on nothing that Revan knows Nihilus' ability.

Logical deduciton is considered as evidence Nikkolas. Stop trying to cause shit because you're a fanboy.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Nihilus canonically killed an entire world with just a word. He arrived over Katarr and in an instant, everything was dead. Buildings were destroyed, flesh was stripped from bone and the entire planet was an echo in the Force.

Also, as stated by Tobin and shown on the loading screen of KOTOR II, Nihilus pulled the Ravager from the "mass shadoes of Malachor". And Tobin even insists it was a fleet.

It seems pointless to post my entire essay proving why Nihilus is more powerful than Revan. Those two feats will do.

Nihilus, the man who kills all things in his presence and who will destroy the galaxy, against a guy who never even showed 1/3 of his foe's power.

Who wins in a Force fight? Going by evidence? Not conjecture or theories based on nothing that Revan knows Nihilus' ability.

Ah crap here we go

Originally posted by Nikkolas
[B]Nihilus canonically killed an entire world with just a word. He arrived over Katarr and in an instant, everything was dead. Buildings were destroyed, flesh was stripped from bone and the entire planet was an echo in the Force.

Also, as stated by Tobin and shown on the loading screen of KOTOR II, Nihilus pulled the Ravager from the "mass shadoes of Malachor". And Tobin even insists it was a fleet.

Nihilus, the man who kills all things in his presence and who will destroy the galaxy, against a guy who never even showed 1/3 of his foe's power.

And just to add to that DS, nihilus technique isnt a singular technique

I've already proven this isn't the case because if Nihilus kills by speaking, there wouldn't be a KOTOR. Get your facts straight, and stop parading around "Oh its in the game so it must be true without any chance of it being a contradiction".

No matter how he did it, he killed an entire planet and everyone on it in an instant.

Actions speak louder than words.

Great, Tobin insists. You can post your essay as often as you'd like, and it still wouldn't make it true.

If you say it's not true, it's up to you to prove it.

I have Tobin's quote, a canon quote put in the game by the developers.

You have your opinion and...nothing else.

Provide evidence he didn't lift the Ravager and the fleet from Malachor.

Especially since the loading screen SAYS so.

Your logic is beyond me. I think you should go over to EOD, they're looking for morons.

You don't provide evidence.

So, I don't care what you think.

Then shut the **** up and stop bitching, you're annoying as hell. I've already offered my proof, if you don't like it, boo hoo. Your debating skills and understanding of canon policy is laughable. Go back to the drawing board.

I've already offered my proof

No. You haven't.

Give me one quote or source you've shown.

My essay is proof.

It links to sources such as cenes from KOTOR II, comics and offers varified quotes from people in the game.

So far, you've proven nothing.

You've made a lot of claims, though.

Your essay involves fallible 3rd party characters. My summary involves logical deduction that can't really be refuted because it IS logical. Stop bitching.

Your logical deduction can't be refuted because they can't be proven at all.

They aren't said anywhere.

They aren't hinted at.

They aren't implied.

Your "logical deductions" are nothing more than your opinion with no offical source.

My essay has proof from all sources involving the character.

CANOn comics.

CANON scenes from teh game.

CANOn quotes.

In short, I offer official word while you offer your opinion.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Your logical deduction can't be refuted because they can't be proven at all.

They aren't said anywhere.

They aren't hinted at.

They aren't implied.

Your "logical deductions" are nothing more than your opinion with no offical source.

In short, I offer official word while you offer your opinion.

No, you have proven that you have no concept of the canon policy so I'm going to disregard your entire argument. ..

Jeez, this is a bit like trying to prove who's a better pazaak player- Han Solo or Atton Rand.

Oh wait, except that we don't have any canon instances of Atton actually winning a game of pazaak and we can only gather his proficiency from his ability to teach it, to count cards, and how he knows all the traps the Exchange sets up for gamblers who play Pazaak with high stakes.

So I assume that because Han Solo actually has some canon material showing him gambling and playing games and Atton's ability is only implied, Han Solo wins?

By this same line of reasoning, Kit Fisto has a starring role in The Cestus Deception and Freedon Nadd is never seen waiving his glowstick; Kit Fisto beats him?

I mean really, you're pitting someone with virtually little to no canon material we can substantiate versus someone who is a very real and visible opponent on another piece of material. I do believe that Nihilus, due to his very nature, is likely to be too much for Revan to handle. He can swallow groups of Force users apparently, man a broken ship and its crew with his will alone, and can WTFpwn Sion (Cut material) and Traya (Flashback) with as much effort as it takes for me to scratch my ass.

But it all comes down to this thread demanding that Revan supports pull something from nothing, when the wisest course of action is to concede that evidence is not forthcoming, but absence of proof is not proof of absence either. For all we know KotOR III could come out and Revan could play Force-pool with the Outer Rim and summon Exar Kun's spirit just so he can use it to animate his T3 unit.

So really, this thread serves no purpose other than to further an agenda and to flare already flared tempers.

What IS it with you and the word 'glowstick?'

It's a cool kid thing. You wouldn't understand, foo.

Damn the cool kids...

Btw, Janus, should we expect a reply from you in the big topic soon? Looking forward to seeing your responses

So am I. But not tonight. I am hella tired. The only reason I was able to megapost the other night is because I stayed up late and consequently dragged ass at work the following day. If I can manage something tomorrowish I will. Or, most likely I'll take each point and instead of replying point-by-point, I'll make a consolidated address for the entire argument. I find that when I quote and pick, it just escalates and gets confusing after awhile, with people sniping at each other's statements so long that they lose sight of what the original disagreement was.

Well, I'm just responding to things I think are points of contention in my argument, there. I'm making an honest effort to cut back on the sniping.

And whenever's best by you is fine, Janus. Though, if it's alright by you, you can respond to my points and Escape's separately to avoid confusion. And this is where I bug you, again, to get some sort of IM to use at some sort of regular interval.

Yeah, that would work. I always neglect my IM programs lately, but it's because I want to focus on the forums more.

Btw, I got a major upgrade in Sig and Avy size for all my years of being a disgruntled member here. Awesome.

Tsk, tsk. Be sure to sign on sometimes, though. I'd like to talk to you outside the forums at times.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Your essay involves fallible 3rd party characters. My summary involves logical deduction that can't really be refuted because it IS logical. Stop bitching.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Logical deduciton is considered as evidence Nikkolas. Stop trying to cause shit because you're a fanboy.

A) Stop spouting useless jargon about how logical you are when all you've done is throw around rhetoric about how you can perform logical deductions in a verbal manner.
B) Your apparent angry state and avatar convince me that it's heavily possible that you are a Revan fanboy.