Originally posted by Deronn_soloAnd yet you continue to find the time to explain to me how you aren't running away. 😂
You, and your inferior skills, ceased being worth my time a long time ago.
I've rebutted your points in full, so either you lack comprehension skills, or lack a counter entirely. Either way not my problem pally. 🙂
Originally posted by Azronger
Lifting a fleet and draining planets is a bit above Revan's paygrade in my opinion. And Nihilus is a capable duelist, unlike many believe.
Both are highly circumstantial. Nihilus was amped and had a personal connection to the ships, and he was both amped and had prep when he Drained the completely defenseless colony on Katarr. Nihilus' demonstrated powers/limitations in combat don't quite reflect that level of power.
And capable or not, Revan's a better combatant.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Both are highly circumstantial. Nihilus was amped and had a personal connection to the ships, and he was both amped and had prep when he Drained the completely defenseless colony on Katarr. Nihilus' demonstrated powers/limitations in combat don't quite reflect that level of power.And capable or not, Revan's a better combatant.
1. Whatever connection he had to the ship after he had made it operational again logically shouldn't have existed when he hadn't made contact with ship i.e. when he was lifting it from Malachor. And he lifted the whole fleet, not just the Ravager, and Avellone only mentioned a connection between the capital ship, not anything else:
"Some poetic license was taken with the Ravager – I mostly wanted Nihilus to have a ghost ship in keeping with his personality. It wouldn’t immediately fall apart without Nihilus, but his presence there and his ties to it make minor changes and upkeeps to its function and hull that keep it intact – if barely. When killed, the ship would slowly begin to fall apart into wreckage, although it’s not held together by any sort of super Telekinesis."
And sure, he may have been amped when lifting the fleet but the gravity well of Malachor surely would've balanced it out, no?
2. What was Nihilus amped by when he drained Katarr? And mind reminding me of the prep quote again?
1. That depends. Tobin implies its very existence may be the result of a personal connection with Nihilus. And we can assume that the other ships would experience a similar connection with him.
2. He was amped by his own ship, and possibly the rest of the fleet. Also, no, I didn't say he necessarily used prep, only that he had prep and that they were defenceless; in other words, not quite the feat it's made out to be. Telos IV shows that he can't just rock up to a planet and devour it on a whim.
1. Quote? Do you mean this:
"This ship... is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet... that is a measure of his power."
That implies nothing of the sort. He simply says it should not exist but does due to Nihilus lifting it from the surface of Malachor.
And sure we can assume that, but it has no basis backing it up, and the Ravager was the only ship Nihilus was ever on, so I seriously doubt that.
2. There was a flow of power he drew from the Ravager, I checked, but no mention of his fleet.
Defenceless or not, he still one-shot millions across the entire globe with a thought. It's one of the best feats ever, even if you attempt to lowball it. And yes, it's confirmed Nihilus can ravage worlds just by thinking:
Amazingly dark and devastating powers are the purview of some of the greatest Sith Lords of the Knights of the Old Republic era. They devastate and consume entire worlds with a thought... Average beings stand no chance of stopping these ultra-powerful monsters of the dark side.
-Power Beyond Belief: Using Ultra-Powerful Sith Lords in Saga Edition
As for Telos, he may simply have been too far away to do anything.
2. There was a flow of power he drew from the Ravager, I checked, but no mention of his fleet.Defenceless or not, he still one-shot millions across the entire globe with a thought. It's one of the best feats ever, even if you attempt to lowball it. And yes, it's confirmed Nihilus can ravage worlds just by thinking:
Amazingly dark and devastating powers are the purview of some of the greatest Sith Lords of the Knights of the Old Republic era. They devastate and consume entire worlds with a thought... Average beings stand no chance of stopping these ultra-powerful monsters of the dark side.
-Power Beyond Belief: Using Ultra-Powerful Sith Lords in Saga Edition
As for Telos, he may simply have been too far away to do anything.
I've gotta agree at least on this part. I've been reading up on Nihilus recently and it is implied that he did not require prep to drain worlds.
Originally posted by Azronger
1. Quote? Do you mean this:"This ship... is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet... that is a measure of his power."
That implies nothing of the sort. He simply says it should not exist but does due to Nihilus lifting it from the surface of Malachor.
And sure we can assume that, but it has no basis backing it up, and the Ravager was the only ship Nihilus was ever on, so I seriously doubt that.
2. There was a flow of power he drew from the Ravager, I checked, but no mention of his fleet.
Defenceless or not, he still one-shot millions across the entire globe with a thought. It's one of the best feats ever, even if you attempt to lowball it. And yes, it's confirmed Nihilus can ravage worlds just by thinking:
Amazingly dark and devastating powers are the purview of some of the greatest Sith Lords of the Knights of the Old Republic era. They devastate and consume entire worlds with a thought... Average beings stand no chance of stopping these ultra-powerful monsters of the dark side.
-Power Beyond Belief: Using Ultra-Powerful Sith Lords in Saga Edition
As for Telos, he may simply have been too far away to do anything.
1. Yeah, there's implication of a personal connection there. He even wonders if its' Nihilus' weakness. There's no real, direct proof as to when the connection itself was formed, so I suppose it's up to your imagination. But given that the connection was clearly in effect as soon as the ship was pieced together I believe it originated from before the ship's resurrection.
2. That's hyperbole, just like him being able to read even a stray thought from across the galaxy or anything of the sort. His record on Telos and in TCSWE certainly doesn't involve mere thoughts.
Nihilus was in range to perform his attack as implied by Visas and Tobin. He certainly could've done it to Citadel Station, not that he looked further away from Telos than he was from Katarr.