Darth Nihilus vs. Darth Revan

Gotcha. I was honestly wondering how that discussion even started

Meh, same way it always does. I think we should perhaps consider ignoring the movie-era characters when referencing EU characters because the two operate in mutually exclusive universes.

Oh, if we kept to the subject in every thread, we'd hardly have any discussion

This is true.

Btw, I've heard that Nihilus' language and the language of the Sith holocrons is basically English backwards. Has anyone verified this or translated it?

I think it's the same reason so many people in the game look alike.

Just a bit of laziness on the developers

Actually, LS, there's a perfectly canon reason for that.

See, in the SW universe, all humans come from the same family. Even all Echani look alike.

Despite it being commented on how one's supposed to look different from the others, yes.

Ho wmany black people are there in the SW Universe?

Mace, the one captain of Amidala's guard and I thinkt hat one NRI chick who appeared in the Corellian Trilogy was supposed to be black but I'm not sure.

I would love to see someone spew some liberal rhetortic "300" style and call Star Wars racist.

Welcome to the Galactic Empire.

Where only old British white men can rule.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Welcome to the Galactic Empire.

Where only old British white men can rule.

Approved and quoted for Janus Seal of Quality.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Someone's been using dictionary.com with incredible efficiency. Except I DID perform a logical deduction, so thanks for pointing out the obvious.

No, someone just attended high school and actually listened. You did? Where? In that other post where you call this a Logical deduction?

Revan knowing NIihlus' tehnique is a logical deduction based on him pillaging both Korriban and the underground cities of Malachor V.

Sadly, that is not a logical deduction.

My angry state and avatar somehow gives you the conclusion that I'm a Revan fanboy. Wow, I didn't take you for much a debater, but now we can add psycholgist to that one. [/B]

Stop this ridiculous rhetorical banter. Do you think it ACTUALLY assists you when you patronize your opponents to a bitter degree? You sit here and actually can find the nerve to call me a bad debater when you don't know how to perform one of the most basic logical tasks in debating? The chinese can smell the irony all the way from their homeland, FFS.

"The Sith have red Lightsabers. Sion has a Red Lightsaber. Therefore, he is Sith."

Logical Deduction. Plain and simple. What you did was not a Logical deduction.

The whole "Pseudo Intellectual" thing doesn't quite suit you.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Ho wmany black people are there in the SW Universe?

Mace, the one captain of Amidala's guard and I thinkt hat one NRI chick who appeared in the Corellian Trilogy was supposed to be black but I'm not sure.

Anyone notice that there aren't any black bad guys really?

Originally posted by Thousand
Sadly, that is not a logical deduction.

Stop this ridiculous rhetorical banter. Do you think it ACTUALLY assists you when you patronize your opponents to a bitter degree? You sit here and actually can find the nerve to call me a bad debater when you don't know how to perform one of the most basic logical tasks in debating? The chinese can smell the irony all the way from their homeland, FFS.

"The Sith have red Lightsabers. Sion has a Red Lightsaber. Therefore, he is Sith."

THIS would be valid logical deduction, not the crap you are spewing. I suggest YOU take a logical reasoning course as your facts are messed up.

The whole "Pseudo Intellectual" thing doesn't quite suit you. [/B]

Sadly, that is not a logical deduction.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
It is not exactly baseless i did put reason into my thinking when i said that, but Im not saying what it could be that the attack that bane was afraid but im fairly positive it was not the thought bomb as i said here

And in the force department Nihilus only has the one technique and better tk then revan.That we know of anyway Revan as sexy said has all of korriban and malachor V. In PoD Bane says that he had learn more from Revan's holocron than he learned on Korriban.(or something along those lines). Not only that but Bane was scarred of some of the techniques Revan knew. And he told Kaan about the thought bomb (which he also learned from Revan's holocron) so I doubt he would tell Kaan an attack that he was frightened of especially since Bane viewed kaan and the brotherhood as weak. This leads me to believe that the thought bomb was not the attack Bane was referring to that he was scared. And not to mention Revan's version of the force storm that killed several rakatan scouting parties at once in an instant.

I would also say that it would make little sense for Bane to give them an attack that he was scarred of because it must have been a threat to him if it were used at all and bane didnt seem that scared of the thought bomb to me. And he felt that he was the one that need to reorganize the sith so he wouldnt give them an attack that could be used against him.

"The Sith have red Lightsabers. Sion has a Red Lightsaber. Therefore, he is Sith."

Actually you did no less then the fallacy of the modus ponens...

Shhh.. Let big mouth figure it out..

Originally posted by kamhal
Actually you did no less then the fallacy of the modus ponens...

If you're referring to "Modus ponendo ponens", that's not a Logical Fallacy. It's a valid form of debate. I prefer "Affirming the Antecedent", really. I find the latin naming unappealing.

Sadly it is. Revan pillaged the underground cities while NIhilus gained the technique while on the surface, for a shorter time. It is LOGICALLY possible and probable that Revan knew this technique because of this. Not to mention POD and his holocron. That IS logical deduction.

You're not getting it. I can see where you're coming from but what you're saying is not a proper logical deduction. Stop passing it off as one.

I've seen your debates. My point stands.

I just saw yours. This is why your continuous patronization towards me remains nothing less or more than mere irony.

No, that's called inductive reasoning because you have 2 premises and a conclusion that COULD be true. If this was deductive reasoning, your argument would be invalid seeing as how the conclusion MUST be true, and yours COULD be true.. So much for your debating abilities. Now if you turned that around like this:
Premise 1: The Sith have red lightsabers
Premise 2: Sion is a Sith
Conclusion: Sion has a red lightsaber

THIS would be valid logical deduction, not the crap you are spewing. I suggest YOU take a logical reasoning course as your facts are messed up.

My logic can work either way. I'm going to pull examples of Logical Deduction from the web and examples of Inductive logic.

Logical Deduction examples:

* All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore Socrates is mortal.
* All feminists are unreasonable. She is a feminist. Therefore she is unreasonable.
* All birds are black. That is a bird. Therefore is black.

Premise 1: All men are mortal.
Premise 2: Socrates is a man.
Conclusion: Therefore Socrates is mortal.

Premise 1: The Sith have red lightsabers
Premise 2: Sion is a Sith
Conclusion: Sion has a red lightsaber

Premise 1: The Sith have red lightsabers
Premise 2: Sion has a red lightsabers
Conclusion: Sion is a Sith

Although the second equation leaves more room for apparent elaboration, the equation is not fallible because it remains as a truth.

^ Logical Deduction.

Now, here for Inductive Logic:

This ice is cold.
A billiard ball moves when struck with a cue.

All ice is cold.
All billiard balls struck with a cue move.

All observed crows are black.
therefore
All crows are black.

Know when you're wrong, son.

The same thing goes for you and debating.

Don't question my debating when you couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag. You're both irritating and wrong.

Originally posted by Thousand
You're not getting it. I can see where you're coming from but what you're saying is not a proper logical deduction. Stop passing it off as one.

Logical Deduction examples:

* All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore Socrates is mortal.
* All feminists are unreasonable. She is a feminist. Therefore she is unreasonable.
* All birds are black. That is a bird. Therefore is black.

Premise 1: All men are mortal.
Premise 2: Socrates is a man.
Conclusion: Therefore Socrates is mortal.

^ Logical Deduction.

Now, here for Inductive Logic:

This ice is cold.
A billiard ball moves when struck with a cue.

All ice is cold.
All billiard balls struck with a cue move.

All observed crows are black.
therefore
All crows are black.

[quote]Know when you're wrong, son.

Don't question my debating when you couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag. You're both irritating and wrong. [/B]

1. What does that say about your abilities if this is indeed truth?
2. What does debating my way out of a paper bag even mean? Or is it more nonsense you've heard somewhere, and still couldn't decipher its meaning?