Cell Vs Superman

Originally posted by Generic Hero
Goku struggled with 40 tons in the Buu Saga. This is one of the first times Toriyama directly linked to a strength cap, so it should take utter precedence.

Superman of today would easily take this (Since OWAW, IC and the recent Action Comics have him doing ridiculous things), as he is obviously written much stronger today than he was 10 years ago. Even more recently, he tanked a blast of 50 supernovas, which is at least 50 times more impressive than Cell's statement that he could bust a single solar system.

Superman of the early 90s would likely lose. Back then, he was hurt by nuclear explosions and KO'd by a gas station, among other shameful things.

As far as canon is concerned (No idea on the anime), Superman wins.

😆 😆

Not even going to respond with that one. Get info about ki planets that goku was lifting the weights on and then come back with a better responce. 🙄

Seriously, I've read the translated manga & he was plunging down to the planet when King Kai boosted the weights to 40 tons. He had to turn Super Saiyan. Learn to read & comprehend.

Originally posted by carver9
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Not even going to respond with that one. Get info about ki planets that goku was lifting the weights on and then come back with a better responce. 🙄

Except it was said that it was 40 tons, and it never says how much more gravity there is. The 40 tons is more likely with the gravity, assuming it is even high.

I doubt the gravity is that high & I can't exactly remember but I believe the level of the gravity is stated in the manga. I'd have to get a hold of that issue again to say for sure.

Originally posted by carver9
😆 😆

Not even going to respond with that one. Get info about ki planets that goku was lifting the weights on and then come back with a better responce. 🙄

The gravity of that planet was never stated, and since it's tons of force (no one ever uses mass for weight measurements) it doesn't matter the gravity.

And in the anime there was a scene where Goku struggled to lift a bus. Damn filler.

Originally posted by carver9
😆 😆

Not even going to respond with that one. Get info about ki planets that goku was lifting the weights on and then come back with a better responce. 🙄

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Here, let me make this very simple for you, since you clearly have trouble with this:

Weight is a measurement of the gravitational force acting on an object.

Therefore, gravity doesn't matter. The weights are still 40 tons, meaning they weigh 40 tons relative to the planet. It's one of the most fundamental aspects of physics, but I'm not really surprised.

Furthermore, the gravity on the planet was never stated. Ever. Not like it matters, but ole' King Kai's planet was 10x gravity, this was an entirely different one.

Again, it doesn't matter, because 40 tons on Jupiter still means 40 tons on Earth. Just that if you bring the thing that was 40 tons on Jupiter to another gravity, the weight would change. Under that gravity, the weights felt like 40 tons.

So you see, gravity is utterly irrelevant. Please, make sure you know what you're talking about before you present that "laff" emoticon.

Originally posted by Generic Hero
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Here, let me make this very simple for you, since you clearly have trouble with this:

[b]Weight is a measurement of the gravitational force acting on an object.

Therefore, gravity doesn't matter. The weights are still 40 tons, meaning they weigh 40 tons relative to the planet. It's one of the most fundamental aspects of physics, but I'm not really surprised.

Furthermore, the gravity on the planet was never stated. Ever. Not like it matters, but ole' King Kai's planet was 10x gravity, this was an entirely different one.

Again, it doesn't matter, because 40 tons on Jupiter still means 40 tons on Earth. Just that if you bring the thing that was 40 tons on Jupiter to another gravity, the weight would change. Under that gravity, the weights felt like 40 tons.

So you see, gravity is utterly irrelevant. Please, make sure you know what you're talking about before you present that "laff" emoticon. [/B]

Youre assumption but never been stated to be true. If you have common knowledge of any of the ki planets you would know that all of them possess extreme gravity. That is proof and all of the ki planets are a place of training so why wouldnt it have extreme gravity. So he was lifting the 40 ton weight along with added pressure from the ki planet. Deal with it.

Back to the fight. This small fights along give me plenty of reason to think that cell would destroy superman.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1sI2GmQ1SKI&mode=related&search=

and on this clip it shows that goku packs a 100 tonner or more punch when he hits frieza with a solid hit. Also in this clip you would see goku throwing a blast of light out of the water but moving faster than it landing a kick on frieza. That sounds faster than light to me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJwI0tf6Yak&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJwI0tf6Yak&mode=related&search=

I really want you all to look at this one. Just look at the raw speed frieza have while hitting the ball that he had goku trapped in. Then goku moved so fast that as soon as the blast went off he got away from it.

Frieza hit the ball goku was in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any speed feat none precrisis superman has ever done his entire career.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTlq1csxlG4&mode=related&search=

This fight alone with piccolo is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any superman fight. The destructive force and the overrall power.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mKpcIKAAj_Q

Originally posted by Rorschach
And in the anime there was a scene where Goku struggled to lift a bus. Damn filler.

In the comics it was a part where flash struggled to move a guy that was hurt but wonder woman stated that flash and zoom was the hardest felt punches that she has ever felt. Superman stated that flash was the hardest punch that he has ever been hit by. He also stated that the punch could have taken his head off.

By the way, answer this for me. How much strength do you think that it would take from a being to tap his leg up and down creating a city wide earthquake. How much strength do you think that it would take for a being to carry a plane with one hand that was about to crash back to the ground. How much strength do you think that it would take for a being to one punch a take sending it mile across a desert.

Just asking.

Originally posted by Kento
Except it was said that it was 40 tons, and it never says how much more gravity there is. The 40 tons is more likely with the gravity, assuming it is even high.

Just like when goku was on the ki planet, it was SAID that goku was in gravity that was 10 times earth gravity but did it say how much the hammer weighed that goku was picking up. NO.

Why does everything have to be exact for you all. Ok since you want exact. Brian Azzarello, Jim Lee, Scott Williams said that superman top speed it 2000mps. Now thats exact. In another interview David goyer, Geoff johns said that superman can go faster than the speed of sound said that his max is 2000mps. Thats twice that this was said.

In a wizard interview they were talking about the superboy prime era and they were comparing earth 2 superman against main earth superman and they stated that earth 2 superman can go 1740 mps and main earth superman can go 2000 mps. That is 3 times that that was said. Well lets make it 4 since in the superman and flash race the only time that the speed was ever commented on it was stated that superman was going 2000mps AGAIN. Da**, that 4 times.

Originally posted by carver9
Youre assumption but never been stated to be true.

Originally posted by carver9
If you have common knowledge of any of the ki planets you would know that all of them possess extreme gravity.

Originally posted by carver9
That is proof and all of the ki planets are a place of training so why wouldnt it have extreme gravity. So he was lifting the 40 ton weight along with added pressure from the ki planet. Deal with it.

Originally posted by carver9
Back to the fight. This small fights along give me plenty of reason to think that cell would destroy superman.

[QUOTE=9354652]Originally posted by carver9
[B]http://youtube.com/watch?v=1sI2GmQ1SKI&mode=related&search=

and on this clip it shows that goku packs a 100 tonner or more punch when he hits frieza with a solid hit.

Originally posted by carver9
Also in this clip you would see goku throwing a blast of light out of the water but moving faster than it landing a kick on frieza. That sounds faster than light to me.

Originally posted by carver9
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJwI0tf6Yak&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJwI0tf6Yak&mode=related&search=

I really want you all to look at this one. Just look at the raw speed frieza have while hitting the ball that he had goku trapped in. Then goku moved so fast that as soon as the blast went off he got away from it.

Originally posted by carver9
Frieza hit the ball goku was in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any speed feat none precrisis superman has ever done his entire career.

Originally posted by carver9
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTlq1csxlG4&mode=related&search=

This fight alone with piccolo is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any superman fight. The destructive force and the overrall power.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mKpcIKAAj_Q

Upon further reveiw of the evidence Superman wins, easily.

You may be dazzled by cheap parlor tricks 🙄 But none of those really show anything impressive. 😬

Originally posted by carver9
In the comics it was a part where flash struggled to move a guy that was hurt but wonder woman stated that flash and zoom was the hardest felt punches that she has ever felt. Superman stated that flash was the hardest punch that he has ever been hit by. He also stated that the punch could have taken his head off.

By the way, answer this for me. How much strength do you think that it would take from a being to tap his leg up and down creating a city wide earthquake. How much strength do you think that it would take for a being to carry a plane with one hand that was about to crash back to the ground. How much strength do you think that it would take for a being to one punch a take sending it mile across a desert.

Just asking.

Everyone has their low end feats.

And oh boy, more rock destroying... reminds me of that technique from ranma that only works on rocks. or that one from rifts which.. also only works on rocks...

Originally posted by carver9
Just like when goku was on the ki planet, it was SAID that goku was in gravity that was 10 times earth gravity but did it say how much the hammer weighed that goku was picking up. NO.

Why does everything have to be exact for you all.[b/]

Originally posted by carver9
[B] Ok since you want exact. Brian Azzarello, Jim Lee, Scott Williams said that superman top speed it 2000mps. Now thats exact. In another interview David goyer, Geoff johns said that superman can go faster than the speed of sound said that his max is 2000mps. Thats twice that this was said.

Originally posted by carver9
In a wizard interview they were talking about the superboy prime era and they were comparing earth 2 superman against main earth superman and they stated that earth 2 superman can go 1740 mps and main earth superman can go 2000 mps. That is 3 times that that was said. Well lets make it 4 since in the superman and flash race the only time that the speed was ever commented on it was stated that superman was going 2000mps AGAIN. Da**, that 4 times.

You're shaping up to be quite the fanboy aren't you carver?

Originally posted by carver9
Just like when goku was on the ki planet, it was SAID that goku was in gravity that was 10 times earth gravity but did it say how much the hammer weighed that goku was picking up. NO.

Why does everything have to be exact for you all. Ok since you want exact. Brian Azzarello, Jim Lee, Scott Williams said that superman top speed it 2000mps. Now thats exact. In another interview David goyer, Geoff johns said that superman can go faster than the speed of sound said that his max is 2000mps. Thats twice that this was said.

In a wizard interview they were talking about the superboy prime era and they were comparing earth 2 superman against main earth superman and they stated that earth 2 superman can go 1740 mps and main earth superman can go 2000 mps. That is 3 times that that was said. Well lets make it 4 since in the superman and flash race the only time that the speed was ever commented on it was stated that superman was going 2000mps AGAIN. Da**, that 4 times.

Except I already posted a scan that stated Superman was moving OVER 2000 Miles Per Hour.

Originally posted by carver9
In the comics it was a part where flash struggled to move a guy that was hurt but wonder woman stated that flash and zoom was the hardest felt punches that she has ever felt. Superman stated that flash was the hardest punch that he has ever been hit by. He also stated that the punch could have taken his head off.

Do you know anything about the Flash's powers? He can hit with the mass of a white dwarf star. He hit Zom to another Country. Zoom was freaking punching Wonder Woman from country to country. She had never been hit like that before. Superman only outdid Zoom's blows during the Sacrifice storyline which was after Wonder Woman's fight with Zoom.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, answer this for me. How much strength do you think that it would take from a being to tap his leg up and down creating a city wide earthquake.

I wouldn't know, and I've never seen anyone do something like that either. What I have seen is Supergirl stop a Earthquake by whistling, she didn't just say she could do it, she actually did.

Originally posted by carver9
How much strength do you think that it would take for a being to carry a plane with one hand that was about to crash back to the ground.

Someone a little stronger than Wonder Girl (Donna), probably. Or maybe someone at just her level.

Originally posted by carver9
How much strength do you think that it would take for a being to one punch a take sending it mile across a desert.

I take it that you meant tank?

I wouldn't say they'd have to even at DOS Superboy level to punch a tank a couple of miles.

Originally posted by carver9
Just like when goku was on the ki planet, it was SAID that goku was in gravity that was 10 times earth gravity but did it say how much the hammer weighed that goku was picking up. NO.

Why does everything have to be exact for you all. Ok since you want exact. Brian Azzarello, Jim Lee, Scott Williams said that superman top speed it 2000mps. Now thats exact. In another interview David goyer, Geoff johns said that superman can go faster than the speed of sound said that his max is 2000mps. Thats twice that this was said.

In a wizard interview they were talking about the superboy prime era and they were comparing earth 2 superman against main earth superman and they stated that earth 2 superman can go 1740 mps and main earth superman can go 2000 mps. That is 3 times that that was said. Well lets make it 4 since in the superman and flash race the only time that the speed was ever commented on it was stated that superman was going 2000mps AGAIN. Da**, that 4 times.

It specifically says 40 tons. And the only planet with gravity higher than Earth was said to be King Kai's. Never says any other Kai planet had any more gravity. And even if it does have more 40 tons is 40 tons. It's not going to say 40 tons and be 10x that or anything.

Yes because Superman can fly through galaxies at the speed of sound with ease.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Except I already posted a scan that stated Superman was moving OVER 2000 Miles Per Hour.

Do you know anything about the Flash's powers? He can hit with the mass of a white dwarf star. He hit Zom to another Country. Zoom was freaking punching Wonder Woman from country to country. She had never been hit like that before. Superman only outdid Zoom's blows during the Sacrifice storyline which was after Wonder Woman's fight with Zoom.

I wouldn't know, and I've never seen anyone do something like that either. What I have seen is Supergirl stop a Earthquake by whistling, she didn't just say she could do it, she actually did.

Someone a little stronger than Wonder Girl (Donna), probably. Or maybe someone at just her level.

I take it that you meant tank?

I wouldn't say they'd have to even at DOS Superboy level to punch a tank a couple of miles.

Yes you did post a scan of superman moving over 2000mps but it was never classified how much over.

I know alot about the flashes power but the reason his punches are so strong is due to his speed. Without it he wont be jack. Thats the point that im trying to get you to understand. Zoom stated that he was moving at the speed of light when he was punching wonderwoman. Wonderwoman said that that was the hardest punch that she has ever been hit by. Now the only thing that Im trying to get you to realize is that goku have the ability to go above the speed of light during combat.

Well if you seen the show (not being rude) you would know that during the time videl was called to stop a bank robber and gohun tried to leave class to help her and the teacher didnt let him leave. He was worried and he was moving his leg up and down because of worrying about videl and create a earth quake. Thats when he left class to help videl with the bank robber as the great saya man.

What level of strength do you think wondergirl is at.

My bad 😆 I did mean tank. What level of strength do you think dos superboy is at.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because that's how the science of debate goes.

Oh yay interveiws. 🙄 That's about as right up there as the storm fanboys 30+ year old interveiw with Chris claremont saying that pheonix and storm were equal.

Again.. interveiw. 🙄

You're shaping up to be quite the fanboy aren't you carver?

Creshosk, stop saying that fanboyish junk. I must be a bigger fan of superman since I own and buy his comics almost every week. Fanboy dont have anything to do with my vote. Im a fan of thanos but Im saying that he would lose to buu. Im a wolverine fan but i think that he would lose to trunks.

By the way. Everyone that i name are superman writers, or they know his capabilities.

Originally posted by Creshosk
"It's never been stated to be false either[/dbzlogic]

Speculation, only one's gravity was mentioned.

Prove it.

Speculation. There's no indication of how haeavy a hit that was.

No he throws some energy out and moves faster than it, In UT I can shoot a projectile and then run to get to the other side of it. Guess that mean I play UT at lightspeeds then doesn't it?

and that's supposed to prove what exactly?

Bullshit.
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Upon further reveiw of the evidence Superman wins, easily.

You may be dazzled by cheap parlor tricks 🙄 But none of those really show anything impressive. 😬

Great post but I would like to ask. When something enters a black hole, what speed is it going at. Just a question for thought because that scene that you showed me was in a black hole. NOT BEING FANBOYISH but can you show me superman doing a speed feat that i showed you with freiza. Show me something even close to that. Like him hitting a object from one place and coming behind it, hitting it in another direction simutaneously. He cant do it and it never happened.

Originally posted by carver9
Creshosk, stop saying that fanboyish junk.

Originally posted by carver9
I must be a bigger fan of superman since I own and buy his comics almost every week.

Originally posted by carver9
Fanboy dont have anything to do with my vote. Im a fan of thanos but Im saying that he would lose to buu. Im a wolverine fan but i think that he would lose to trunks.

By the way. Everyone that i name are superman writers, or they know his capabilities.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes you did post a scan of superman moving over 2000mps but it was never classified how much over.

And it's never stated how much faster than light DB characters are fighting.

Originally posted by carver9
I know alot about the flashes power but the reason his punches are so strong is due to his speed. Without it he wont be jack. Thats the point that im trying to get you to understand. Zoom stated that he was moving at the speed of light when he was punching wonderwoman. Wonderwoman said that that was the hardest punch that she has ever been hit by. Now the only thing that Im trying to get you to realize is that goku have the ability to go above the speed of light during combat.

Dub errors don’t count. Zoom’s punches were sending Wonder Woman from country to country, Goku’s punches send people a few miles away from him. Zoom’s punches do more damage, unless you can show me scans or even a video of Goku casually punching someone to different countries.

Originally posted by carver9
Well if you seen the show (not being rude) you would know that during the time videl was called to stop a bank robber and gohun tried to leave class to help her and the teacher didnt let him leave. He was worried and he was moving his leg up and down because of worrying about videl and create a earth quake.

I've read the manga, seen the show, and I read comics. I don't remember Gohan actually creating a Earthquake, what I do remember is Cell creating a Earthquake by powering up his final attack against Gohan.

Now Superman has said Supergirl could crack the planet in half. She's never done it, but do you believe him?

And I just remembered something.

It takes Gohan 20 minutes to get from his home to his School. I guess Dragonball Earth is much bigger than the Earth in any other Universe. 😐

Originally posted by carver9
YWhat level of strength do you think wondergirl is at.

Low Class 100, and this is Donna not Cassy.

Originally posted by carver9
My bad 😆 I did mean tank. What level of strength do you think dos superboy is at.

Strong enough to lift a 600,000 ton something yacht when his power's weren't even fully developed.

Originally posted by carver9

Well if you seen the show (not being rude) you would know that during the time videl was called to stop a bank robber and gohun tried to leave class to help her and the teacher didnt let him leave. He was worried and he was moving his leg up and down because of worrying about videl and create a earth quake. Thats when he left class to help videl with the bank robber as the great saya man.

And Superman easily created an earthquake just fooling around because some guys were shooting at him, and this was when he was weaker. I think it may have been after he came back to life but it was a while ago. Gohan was anxious and was tapping his foot hard doing it, not controlling his strength. Superman did the same thing except he wasn't even trying hard and it was just to disarm some guys.